The America BBQ

[Xenogias]

I really dont give a crap about where I live, every where
you go these days you'll usually end up seeing the same
crap. This life is too predictable to be thinking about small
things like that. I would rather do something bigger for my
world... but im not... what you may call it... "Successful".

Anyway, That image of America is hilarious.

 

[SailorAlea]

What do you mean, we have no culture? Almost all of the music that the -world- listens to originates from here. So much literature and poetry is produced every year, and did you forget Broadway? Or hollywood? Or our sports? There's plenty of culture to go around.

Deathbiscuit, the reasons you listed are simply flawed, half-truths.
"Treaties with the Indians?? Never! Abolishing slavery?? It's just not right! Taxing us for the inordinate costs of maintaining a transatlantic army with the sole aim of protecting our colonies???"

The British were extremely vicious to the Indians, even resorting to what is called 'biological warfare'--purposely giving them blankets filled with smallpox, at a "peace conference."

As for the army, the colonists didn't want them there. They represented someone who was oppressing them from across the sea, an armed force that continously showed them contempt for being "lower people" as half of the Colonists sent there were accused of lower crimes, in the beginning. British people resented having to spend so much money on the Colonies when they hadn't seen a reward yet, besides Tobacco, and the Americans resented being taxed with no voice in representation.

There are still people today who complain and petition that the District of Columbia doesn't have representation, yet they're taxed. The American Revolution wasn't about greed, at all. I think the -Civil- War was about greed, and the unwillingness of the South to basically "do their own work," but there were many other factors.

You should also note it was the British who started slavery in America, importing slaves to work in the Virginian tobacco fields. Half of them were indentured, half of them slaves. The ruling legislative body at that time thought this 'double standard' was a problem and passed a law saying that "Any black who is born free's children will be free. Any mother born into slavery's children will be slave."

My own ideas.. Overall, I believe that the US is a nice place to live, the people are relatively friendly, and it's one of the most diverse places on Earth. Referring to the population as "The American People" when most (in my experience) think of that as merely the Anglo-saxon population, are pretty ignorant.

Perhaps they've seen too many movies with "arrogant Americans" or too many episodes of Jerry Springer showing the scum of the Earth. Who knows.

 

[Xenogias]

You really take this topic serious Alea
I dont mean to sound like a jerk, I probably know how you
feel. But its best to keep your mind off things like this, All
this will lead to is arguements and hatred, the fire keeps
burning and it wont stop untill the gas has completely died
out.

But thats just my own opinion, I dont see a point in
taking this seriously.

 

[SailorAlea]

Maybe you're right, Proud Prince..
but it just angers me when someone names a controversial topic, such as gun control, abortion, death penalty, etc.. and says "That's how EVERYONE is!" That's the whole -concept- of controversy, that there are TWO sides and one is not "the way it is."

 

[Evil_Trunks]

I agree with Proud Prince on this one. I usually try to stay away from topics like this because the arguments always get so heated and people's opinion's are so strong it never ends.

And we could debate about it forever and never reach a conclusion. That's why there are still wars and fighting and death. Because people can't agree on what is "right"

 

[SailorAlea]

Well, there are still wars and fighting, because everyone is raised with different beliefs, customs and prejudices..

Until everybody is raised to believe that the same things are right, or that other people's beliefs are okay, conflicts will always arise.

If we were all raised in this manner, these random people would have no reason to criticize, and I wouldn't have a reason to disagree or resent their assertions.

You earlier commented on that I am merely responding to what other people say, rather then posting my own opinion.. That is intentional, because I am trying to remain impartial, and state facts from history rather then just "You suck for saying that!" I don't love America, or it's actions, or despise it. It's a nice place to live.. but there are people filled with hatred--some rightfully so. But they should at least say the truth about what makes them angry or annoyed, rather then making a fool out of themself by stating falsities.

 

[grOOvy]

I've not read entirely through this debate that has been happening - just skimmed through it actually...

But to answer Nelo's first post - I don't hate the country itself.. and I have a very important point to state on this, but remember this is just my opinion: People look up/down towards others based on what culture or country they are from. 90% of the people on earth have a certain bias towards at least 1 person because of their background. But how do "I" look at "a" person? In every way except discriminatory ones. That means I don't give a damn if you are from USA, from UK, from Africa - nothing: I hold high amounts of disregard for people who discriminate their opinions based on the ethnic background of others.... Just wanted to let that be known.

Back to the topic: A country does not define an individual. Just because the politicians of a certain country run a certain way, just because the country's president decided to do something - that does not mean that every individual in the same country has similar opinions. So, 'I' do not personally hate the USA, but I do agree that a lot of decisions have been made by their government that never should have been made at all.

As for myself, I am in the heart of UK (United Kingdom). Although I live here, my parents and grandparents are from India - yep, India - so 'technically' I am an Indian. But like I said, a country doesn't define an individual - I am what I am, for those who can't accept my initial origin: "Haha, sad." is what I would say. :smile:

 

[Death Biscuit]

The British were extremely vicious to the Indians, even resorting to what is called 'biological warfare'--purposely giving them blankets filled with smallpox, at a "peace conference."

They certainly did, but then again, I never said the Brits hadn't done terrible things to the Indians in the past (they had just fought a war against them, after all). However, following that war there was a royal proclamation to establish an Indian territory where only British Crown representatives could buy land. As you can imagine, this peeved the colonists off no end, and they continued to invade and settle Indian land regardless.

As for the army, the colonists didn't want them there. They represented someone who was oppressing them from across the sea, an armed force that continously showed them contempt for being "lower people" as half of the Colonists sent there were accused of lower crimes, in the beginning. British people resented having to spend so much money on the Colonies when they hadn't seen a reward yet, besides Tobacco, and the Americans resented being taxed with no voice in representation.

Oppressing them . . . right. This is sounding more and more like a US elementary school history class. I'm half expecting Mel Gibson to ride through this thread at any moment, cursing those "evil redcoats." Come on Alea. . . . You're merely reiterating all the hyped-up patriotic myths about the revolution: a bunch of good, honest, salt-of-the-Earth folk fought a desperate and virtuous struggle against a tyrannical monarchy that wanted to rob them of their freedom and rights.

Let's get one thing straight right now. America wasn't formed by a bunch of liberty-enthused laymen, rallied to the banner of righteous cause against an evil empire. It was formed by a coterie of fatcats (including smugglers like John Hancock) who were having a fit, because their colonial motherland had the AUDACITY to ask them for help with military costs after a conflict the colonists started, and which Washington himself escalated! I mean, heaven forbid a government actually thinks its subjects might be responsible for paying some of the costs of protecting them! My government is presently taxing me for the reconstruction of a nearby road I've often used in the past. I think I'll revolt.

And then of course there were the land acts I previously mentioned, which shut off large tracts of Indian land from colonial expansion. The British Crown did this to maintain peace with the Indians in what was an uneasy, post-war climate, and because of a rising conscientious belief within the British government of avoiding further conflicts with native populations whenever possible.

Oh, and I love the way you make it sound as if things were so miserable for the colonists; you couldn't make a more erroneous statement if you tried. They were among the most privileged people in the Empire – very healthy, very free, and on the whole quite well off. (I know where I would've wanted to live if I was a British citizen alive in the 1700's.) It was when this previously self-indulgent and privileged lifestyle became threatened by the Crown's actions that the seeds of contempt and revolution were sown.

So let's see what we've learned:

Revolution started by wealthy colonists concerned more with maintaining their own privileges than anything else

Greed for western expansion

Resentment towards what were almost certainly justifiable taxes, which upset their priviliged lifestyle.

Sounds like a whole load of greed in there to me. Of course, I'm sure these things were conveniently left out at school, eh? :]

Look, I know I sound like a condescending jerk and all, but it's just that you're shining example of a person who is extremely intelligent and well-spoken, yet obviously indoctrinated by a US education system that would rather falsely attribute your "heroes" (your country's heroes that is, not necessarily yours personally) with lofty ideals and morals, as opposed to representing the truth. I think it's a crying shame, because I love history for the things it can teach us, and I hate to see it misused like that: to create a false, idealised image, and use it to influence-and possibly even control-your population. Why not just tell the truth? Is it really so bad that Americans know their ancestors weren't the righteous crusaders popular legend makes them out to be? My ancestors were a bunch of greedy pricks too, and I'll happily attest to that.

EDIT-After reading some of your other posts, it occurs to me that I might have been too hasty in judging you, and that you were merely reporting what the grievances of the colonists were, without taking their side or agreeing with them. Is that the case? Or do you honestly believe that they were fighting against an oppressive government for greater equality and other virtuous ideals, vis-à-vis the common US perception of the American revolution?

 

[Bihal]

Nice post Death Biscuit. You pretty much hit the nail on the head with that education thing (whether it applies to people here (I'm refering to your EDIT) or not).

History is written by the winner I guess.

And Alea, perhaps some of the subtlety is lost in typing. Again, let me say (for about the third time) I wasn't talking about hating the people themselves. When I say The American People, I'm specifically refering to the kind of persona that is born and bred by what Death Biscuit said about that false, idealised image. And you know, there are some people out there, who don't know any different than that image. And that's the sad and scary part. I was talking about that form of attitude and arrogance. I happen to be Anglo-Saxon myself.

 

[Engar]

Gee, you leave a thread for a few days and it just explodes..

Though people are arguing, no ones yelling at me so I might just risk another post.

I have, after thinking, two things against America as a whole.

1) America is the most powerful country in the world. Think about it, its not even a country, it's more like a continent. With the downfall of Russia, America is the only Super Power in the world and thats actually quite scary. This is why America didn't stop with Afghanistan and moved onto Iraq, America was hit in a weak spot and reacted.

Whereas before it would have hesitated as a result of Russia looming in the East, America found itself able to keep going and going. Iraq is an example of America with no boundaries, a senseless attack on a country, not because of the evil dictator, but because it has feared it for a long time and is tired of it.

And America will keep going, nothing can stop it now. America has nothing to fear anymore and without fear there can be little restraint. Doesn't that scare anyone, that there is a country of incredible power, no boundaries, just stomping around the globe and attacking the people who look at it funny?

2) America has a terrible school system. This is something I'm unsure of, I've never been, but I'll continue on second hand information. I have two cousins who's family used to live in Ireland. Two boys, they were average students in their classes.

Then the family moved to Florida and suddenly my cousins were in the top of every class they were in. I dont mean to be insulting, but thats hard for me to believe. And then, my Uncle told me, they slowly started to creep down into the middle again. It scared the crap out of him, that his children actually became less intelligent because of the American schooling system. I should say that both my cousins are in High School.


And thats it..

P.S: By the way, there is a very strong theory that the real reason for the starting up of the Nuclear Programme in North Korea and the threatening of Nuclear Arms is to negotiate for better trade terms. The father of the present leader of North Korea did the same thing years ago, but I doubt America is in the mood to bargain this time..

 

[Deman]

: A country does not define an individual.

I agree wholly. I also know that an individual does not define a country.

Of course there is going to be discord amongts people of various countries. It's human nature. If you've been brought up one way your entire life, it is easier to hate somebody for doing what you deem as inhumane.

This goes for both ends as well.

 

[fryd4good]

"America has nothing to fear anymore and without fear there can be little restraint." -Engar

No fear? If you lived in America you would have to re-think that statement. There are plenty of people who went out and bought loads of duct-tape to seal doors against a biological attack.

 

[Morrone]

I'm sure everybody is thrilled with your vast over-generalization of Saudi Arabia. And by the way, it only takes one person to commit an atrocity.

You must be out of your mind to deny Saudi Arabia's notorious behavior. Literally out of your skull. It only takes one person to commit an atrocity? It's not about how many people it takes to commit an atrocity but who is most likely and Saudi Arabia has been endorsing the people with 100% chance of commiting atrocities because they WANT to.

Our talks with them have already become hostile due to their threatening to sell their weapons of mass destruction to terrorists or small countries.

Hostile as in action taking place. You must not know the North Korean leader, he's crazy as hell. If he feels the need he WILL destroy the world.

Our talks with them have already become hostile due to their threatening to sell their weapons of mass destruction to terrorists or small countries.

Um.. "take" means to take something and not give payment. We're making deals with companies, not founding the companies and "taking" from them. They're finally able to sell to us, and they do so out of their own volition. That isn't taking.

LOL WTF? Lol....taking without giving payment is STEALING. I never said we weren't giving back but the whole point is we are MAKING MONEY OUT OF INVADING IRAQ. Yes! That's right buddy, we are making a profit. The destruction of Iraq is a business venture, and has so far been going as planned.

Yes, it's horribly wrong and tyrannical of us to support a persecuted people. We have no problem with our allies having nuclear weapons because they have never shown any interest in conquest, or the intention of selling their weapons to terrorists.

.................To support a persecuted people, no, thats not wrong. But to throw those people onto other people without consent? Yea, thats WRONG. How would you like it if 2 families of jews entered your home and there was nothing you could do about it because the world's hugest super powers forced you to deal with it?

I love it how people think what the Palestinians are doing is wrong when infact we did something incredibly similar only a couple of centuries ago. Yes these suicide bombings and attacks on civilians is wrong but so is the presence of those civilians.

LOL, what do the Israelies need to conquest for when we serve them everything they need on a platinum platter. Land, nukes, weapons, aid, and council.

Oh and WE have no problem as long as our ALLIES have no interest in conquest? Look at it in North Korea's or Iran's shoes. Ever since we've had these nukes we've been showing signs of interest in conquest. Korean war, Vietnam War, Gulf War, Afghanistan War, Gulf War II. In 50 years thats 5 wars that can be perceieved as imperialistic, and every single one of those wars are right next to their borders. How should they feel? Are they too ignorant to read the signs? Of course they are going to threaten to sell weapons of mass destruction. It's the only thing they can say or do to keep us out.

So what about us? What about our signs of interest in conquest? Why shouldn't we be dealt with? What about our war crimes? Last time I checked it was againsr Geneva to assinate political leaders in war and peace times. So what gives for Saddam's sons? Or how bout all of those attempts at Fidel? And how bout all of the other past assassinations that you probably havent heard anything about? How are we any better?

We are the only country to ever use nuclear weapons and we did it twice and even worse we did it when no one could do anything about it.

No, but your right. I dont have any points. America is right and everyone else is wrong. It's just a big conspiracy as to why people hate America. They are all just jealouse....

EDIT: I just read Death Biscuit's argument about what I nickname "The British India". He is absolutely right. I would also like to mention how the revolution of India(but not to be mistaken for a war) was relativley painless and for a reason: Mohandus Gandhi. One of the wisest men that ever lived.

 

[SailorAlea]

Morrone, you say Saudi Arabia is endorsing terrorism. First of all, you can't say a "country" is doing something, unless the government that represents them is, and they're not. Understand?

If I was a British reporter and I went to Arkansas and found some random person who was in favor of nuking every country on Earth and rebuilding the world in the USA's image, then reported on SkyNews that "America PLANS ON DESTROYING THE WORLD!" How do you think that would be taken?

You can only refer to a -country- doing something, or 'endorsing' something, if the Government of that country does, or the insanely vast majority does. Neither which applies to Saudi Arabia.

As for Iraq, you continually say that the US is "making a profit." Are you -insane-? Do you have -any clue- to how much money this conflict has cost the American Government? Especially considering our troops will be staying there for about half a decade, reportedly, and this will cost a fifth of a trillion dollars. 200 billion dollars. I'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you this, but "oil," that we are PAYING for, will yield no 200,000,000,000$.

By the way, the 200 billion is only the cost of the actual Military funding. That's not EVEN to say anything about the reconstruction costs that we're fronting for Iraq.

It is such an unbelievably ignorant statement to say we had any financial incentive.

Again and again you and others have said "We threw the jews onto a place that was already populated."

FOR THE LAST TIME, the United States -did NOT- establish Israel, we didn't pick the location, we didn't establish it, and we didn't come up with the idea. Understand? All we did was gave them the means to defend themselves. We didn't help them with their nuclear armament, either. They developed them on their own.

I wouldn't say the Revolution of India was relatively painless for Ghandi himself, who was murdered without resistance, would you? People setting themselves on fire.. Just because there was no 'war' doesn't mean it was peaceful.

Also, you're apparently not even aware of the meaning of the word 'conquest.' We have taken no lands and reaped no spoils of war, nor established cities in occupied lands and thus it is not a conquest, now is it?

Also, we're not the only country to use nuclear weapons, countries test them all the time. We're the only ones to ever use them against another country, because nobody else had them--thus there was no 'nuclear winter' threat, at everyone setting them off. Do I agree with the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? No.

The absolutely most humorous thing you've said is that North Korea said they were going to sell their weapons, just to keep us -OUT-? What kind of logic do you think that is? That's the whole reason this has ballooned into the current situation!

Edit: I'm having to type this from a computer lab, since my connection in the dorm is offline until they update all the servers for protection against the various virii stirring around. So, I might not be able to respond to any responses until tomorrow or possibly any later.

 

[Morrone]

T E N C H A R A C T E R S

Morrone, you say Saudi Arabia is endorsing terrorism. First of all, you can't say a "country" is doing something, unless the government that represents them is, and they're not. Understand?

If I was a British reporter and I went to Arkansas and found some random person who was in favor of nuking every country on Earth and rebuilding the world in the USA's image, then reported on SkyNews that "America PLANS ON DESTROYING THE WORLD!" How do you think that would be taken?

You can only refer to a -country- doing something, or 'endorsing' something, if the Government of that country does, or the insanely vast majority does. Neither which applies to Saudi Arabia.

No I do not understand false information. Where are your sources saying Saudi Arabia does not infact endorse terror? Oh they deny it. NO ****. Yea they are going to tell the most powerful country in the world that they have been plotting against them for years. Get real. You must watch a lot of American television which is ALL right wing. http://www.merchantinternational.com/artman/publish/article_638.shtml[/b]

As for Iraq, you continually say that the US is "making a profit." Are you -insane-? Do you have -any clue- to how much money this conflict has cost the American Government? Especially considering our troops will be staying there for about half a decade, reportedly, and this will cost a fifth of a trillion dollars. 200 billion dollars. I'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you this, but "oil," that we are PAYING for, will yield no 200,000,000,000$.

By the way, the 200 billion is only the cost of the actual Military funding. That's not EVEN to say anything about the reconstruction costs that we're fronting for Iraq.

It is such an unbelievably ignorant statement to say we had any financial incentive.

Where the hell do you get your sources? Fox News? The estimated cost is 100 billion. You seemed to have failed Economics aswell. America is playing a common strategy. There is a sense of efficacy. They are spending now in order to capitalze later. With the purchasing of this oil the economy will boom which it has already started to. So yes there is hundreds of billions of dollars in oil, perhaps not directly but indirectly.

Again and again you and others have said "We threw the jews onto a place that was already populated."

FOR THE LAST TIME, the United States -did NOT- establish Israel, we didn't pick the location, we didn't establish it, and we didn't come up with the idea. Understand? All we did was gave them the means to defend themselves. We didn't help them with their nuclear armament, either. They developed them on their own.

Lol, see now you are backing out of the situation entirely. Cute. First you said it's not wrong to support persecuted people now you are denying all connections. We DID support it though and we are now the CLOSEST country to Israel. It is thanks to us that they didn't get run out like they should have. We didn't help them with nuclear armament? We supplied them and continue to supply them with billions of dollars each year in which was partially spent on infact on nuclear weapons and we knew about it the whole time and did nothing. We stood aside while they built 100-200 nuclear bombs.

I wouldn't say the Revolution of India was relatively painless for Ghandi himself, who was murdered without resistance, would you? People setting themselves on fire.. Just because there was no 'war' doesn't mean it was peaceful.

I don't recall saying it was peaceful but relativley peaceful and Gandhi tried as hard as any one man could to keeping it peaceful and succeeded to the extend of man. Good men don't always have good ends.

Also, you're apparently not even aware of the meaning of the word 'conquest.' We have taken no lands and reaped no spoils of war, nor established cities in occupied lands and thus it is not a conquest, now is it?

We have reaped conquest in the passed three wars. The first two we failed our conquest. How can you say we have occupied no lands when we have armed forces in both Iraq and Afghanistan? Why would we establish cities? How stupid do you think the American government is? They are obviously doing things wisely if they have people like you believing they are good. If you create a city in an area you have been quoted to say are "liberating" no **** you are going to look bad. Just because a government is corrupt doesn't mean it's stupid.

Also, we're not the only country to use nuclear weapons, countries test them all the time. We're the only ones to ever use them against another country, because nobody else had them--thus there was no 'nuclear winter' threat, at everyone setting them off. Do I agree with the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? No.

If you want to play word games find another thread. If oyu want to debate by all means spare the bs about how other countries "use" nuclear weapons. Just like how we aren't "taking" oil. Your word games are annoyingi if you can't comprehend the blatant meaning then spare me your thoughts. So you agree Hiroshima and Nagasaki are wrong. So what should other countries make of that? I don't think you would ask me to believe that it was a reasonable mistake. So how do you expect other countries and people to react towards a country who has used nuclear weapons on it's enemies. Fear, threat, insecure, protective. And so we move on to Korea....

The absolutely most humorous thing you've said is that North Korea said they were going to sell their weapons, just to keep us -OUT-? What kind of logic do you think that is? That's the whole reason this has ballooned into the current situation!

What kind of logic do I think that is? Smart logic and not a penny less. This situation was inevitable because of America's supposed "war on terror". America simply couldn't turn a blind eye, it would be a sign of weakness, a sign of fear. So what could North Korea possibly say or do in order to prevent nuclear doom? Nothing less then challenge it. After seeing what America recently did to Afghanistan and Iraq, North Korea certainly wouldn't want the same to happen to itself so of course it pointed it's guns right back at America. This isn't hard to understand....simply logic.

 

[raulo]

news flash, the world IS mainly under our control. not one country or nation on the face of the planet wishes to confront america in a military or economic standpoint. and if they do, they cant.

if you notice on 9/11, there were a lot of people kissing our asses. and a lot of people (arab nations) saying "IT WASNT ME, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DONT HURT ME"

america can probably do whatever it wants without fear of being stopped. true there are people that would dislike it, but unless they seriously gang up on us, america wont be stopped. and if nukes are brought into the picture. nuclear holocaust anyone?

so in my view, people should be greatfull that america hasnt flexed its military strength and taken over the world. and dont gimmi anything about the UN doing anything to stop any aggresions. they dont do crap. just a figure head, they lost ALL their power when the US left.

i do think that the world would be a better place if america had supreme reign over it, but that doesnt make it right. the world would also be a better place is everyone thought the way i did. thats just my opinion. im sure everyone thinks that as well. im fine with the way things are now, i just wish technology from japan didnt take so long to get to america ;( :cry:

WHAT ??? This is incredible !!!
We should be thankful for Hiroshima, Nagasaki ??
We should be thankful for taking the world to a massive "no food" politics
We should be thankful for bombing Bagdad without a reason except the oil ???
We should be thankful that the Americans expens a lot of millons in weapons while other countries cant even eat ??

Think about it man, you are wrong.

 

[fryd4good]

You must watch a lot of American television which is ALL right wing.

Um. Sorry, I stopped reading your post at this point, because that statement is just plain uneducated garbage. And that's coming from a Texan. You should be ashamed... after all, doesn't most everyone out there think we ride out horses to work every day or something? Most news channels are biased in some way, but there is no great "right wing" or "left wing" conspiracy to the media. It's all biased, yes, but there's enough bias to be distributed between "left wing" and "right wing" and whatever other political views a news reporter may have. And outside of news channels, I hope you don't go out looking for some devastatingly evil right wing conspiracy in other shows, because you might as well go looking through the trash bins outside the White House for evidence of the Men in freaking Black. Oh, but I wouldn't recommend you do that really... law against stealing government garbage.

 

[Phatslugga]

And America will keep going, nothing can stop it now. America has nothing to fear anymore and without fear there can be little restraint. Doesn't that scare anyone, that there is a country of incredible power, no boundaries, just stomping around the globe and attacking the people who look at it funny?

Yes, that's EXACTLY what we do, we attack people that LOOK at us funny. That was the most rediculously exaggerated statement I've ever heard. We've only defended ourselves and allies. Funny that you say that about america, when america has gotten attacked multiple times.

2) America has a terrible school system. This is something I'm unsure of, I've never been, but I'll continue on second hand information. I have two cousins who's family used to live in Ireland. Two boys, they were average students in their classes.

All i can say is.... what the hell? If you're unsure of this, then why is your first line "America has a terrible school system"? You think that the progress of your two cousins in school represent the american education system? If you do, well then i can't say you're too bright. That whole paragraph was pointless, how your cousins do is up to them.

 

[fryd4good]

Actually, the public school system really depends on the state. I agree that some states do have a very crappy school system. For those who can afford it, there are always private schools, though.

 

[Phatslugga]

States in whole don't have "crappy" school systems. There are schools in a state that do, but the majority of schools are good.

And raulo, when has it been our obligation to feed the world?