Strongest DBZ char is...

[Keiha]

As a sidenote, you nitwit, Vegeta never technically lost to Goku in battle.

The first major fight Vegeta ever had in the series ended with him crawling like Rick James towards his little space pod. Think about what you say Vegeta.

You've got a serious little temper too, get that checked out. No need to give anyone any of that attitude, time out.

 

[Vegeta]

a yes now we get to the "you're wrong but i'm not gonna back up my statement at all" part. Goku fought majin vegeta at SSJ2, he had the capability to go SSJ3 sounds like he's holding bak to me.

I don't think you understand how Super Saiyan forms work.

The first major fight Vegeta ever had in the series ended with him crawling like Rick James towards his little space pod.

Understand the series before engaging an expert. I gotta quote this, too.

 

[Chakra-X]

I swear to ****ing god if someone brakes out some lameass powerlevel list I will ****ing kill somebody.

Who the hell chose Piccolo .

(the following statements are not directed to anyone in particular)

You see, the problem with anime and cartoons...Is that it is not based on stats. It is not a computer simulator. It is the animated form of a writer's ideas. They could have made Krillin come out of no where and **** everybody up if they wanted to.

Why do the badguys "wait" for the good guys to shoot their move? Because it's a cartoon. Time and space in cartoons don't work like they do in the real world. You can reach behind your back and grab an object out of thin air.

The same applies to strength levels. It can not be accurately compared because anything is possible.

Gawd.

 

[tolore]

then please explain how the ssj levels work, i would like to understand why using 2 when you could go 3 is not holding back. Plus you're still ignroing the whole 'goku doing better against buu than vegeta' parts.

 

[Hitokiri]

The first major fight Vegeta ever had in the series ended with him crawling like Rick James towards his little space pod.

:laff: Good one.

And guys, some of you need to stop getting so heated about "which DBZ character is stronger," it's getting a little ridiculous.

Anyway, Mystic Gohan is the strongest via power level, period. Goku is probably the strongest skill-wise, and because he's the damn hero and always figures something out. You have to realize the hero is never at a clear advantage at any crucial moment. That's how you maintain tension in a story. Goku fought Vegeta on Earth, FAR below Vegeta's power level, but using a technique that was -destroying his body- was able to seriously harm him and force him to transform into an Oozaru... at which point Team Midget took over.

As for the Majin fight, Goku obviously would have won if he went SS3. If you consider an Oozaru transformation being a "legitimate" measure of Vegeta's skill, then Goku's ability to go SS3, I would say, is a mark of him being better at that point in time. But the reason he didn't trans was:

1.) He wanted a fair fight (I think he says that?)

and

2.) If he used up the energy it costs to transform, his time on Earth would be even more limited.

Anyway...

But perhaps it is my anger that has made me blind to the truth for so long. I see it now. This day has made it all too clear. You're better than me, Kakarot. You are the best...

Maybe we should just listen to Vegeta himself. Or rather, Toriyama, talking through Vegeta in that heart-warming speech, since we might call this a "moment of clarity" where for once Vegeta isn't being a pompous ass or pitying himself: he realizes the truth.

Vegeta is a tragic character, in many ways a more believable character, but in the end, for the purposes of this story, he isn't stronger. Goku is an avatar of goodness, and Toriyama is basically saying that goodness > all, even when goodness has a lower power level. Or in Goku's case, also a lower intelligence level, lower character development, lower fashion sense.

And yet you showed mercy to every one, even your fiercest enemies, even me... Yet you never thought to kill... Only to test your limits, and to push us beyond them, to become the strongest you could possibly be. How can a Saiyan fight like that, and at the same time be so gentle that he wouldn't hurt a fly?

Someone who believes in himself, in goodness, who can even believe in the good in all people, even in horrible people (he tried to spare Frieza, ffs), whose presence encourages and inspires others to be good, etc. etc. etc. The moral of the story is that this kind of person is the best, even though that person is rather impossible, almost divine. Even though it was GT, and GT is garbage, it kind of made sense that Goku rode off with the dragon at the end; he was something more than human.

Not to say that there's no value in repenting, in this story. But Vegeta wasn't quite as good, because the (human) flaws in his character were all there specifically to keep him down.

I've already talked about DBZ too much for this month -_-

 

[Keiha]

Understand the series before engaging an expert. I gotta quote this, too.

The self-acclaimed expert of a kids show.


You'd have to be pretty foolish to say Vegeta is stronger than Goku. It won't change no matter how many times you use 'Vegeta' as your nickname.

 

[Mountain Dewd]

I don't think you understand how Super Saiyan forms work.

You're acting like Super Saiya-jin 3 is a minor upgrade that has drawbacks so significant that SSJ2 is almost the better option.

Anyway, easy on the "expert" stuff eh?, half of what you preach as fact is nothing but speculation.

You people can analyze Dbz until your heart stops, you can be up to date on all the fan theories, own all the Daizenshuu and watch the show every day and read the manga before you go to sleep at night, but considering how long this show went for, and all the little continuity and logic errors along the way, you're never going to be 100% right, so to proclaim yourself as an "expert" is somewhat arrogant, and reeks more than a little of elitism.

But that said, I love you all.

 

[Vegeta]

The self-acclaimed expert of a kids show.


You'd have to be pretty foolish to say Vegeta is stronger than Goku. It won't change no matter how many times you use 'Vegeta' as your nickname

o_o You're delusional if you think I'm trying to say Vegeta's stronger than Goku.

:laff: Good one.

And guys, some of you need to stop getting so heated about "which DBZ character is stronger," it's getting a little ridiculous.

Anyway, Mystic Gohan is the strongest via power level, period. Goku is probably the strongest skill-wise, and because he's the damn hero and always figures something out. You have to realize the hero is never at a clear advantage at any crucial moment. That's how you maintain tension in a story. Goku fought Vegeta on Earth, FAR below Vegeta's power level, but using a technique that was -destroying his body- was able to seriously harm him and force him to transform into an Oozaru... at which point Team Midget took over.

As for the Majin fight, Goku obviously would have won if he went SS3. If you consider an Oozaru transformation being a "legitimate" measure of Vegeta's skill, then Goku's ability to go SS3, I would say, is a mark of him being better at that point in time. But the reason he didn't trans was:

1.) He wanted a fair fight (I think he says that?)

and

2.) If he used up the energy it costs to transform, his time on Earth would be even more limited.

Anyway...

Maybe we should just listen to Vegeta himself. Or rather, Toriyama, talking through Vegeta in that heart-warming speech, since we might call this a "moment of clarity" where for once Vegeta isn't being a pompous ass or pitying himself: he realizes the truth.

Vegeta is a tragic character, in many ways a more believable character, but in the end, for the purposes of this story, he isn't stronger. Goku is an avatar of goodness, and Toriyama is basically saying that goodness > all, even when goodness has a lower power level. Or in Goku's case, also a lower intelligence level, lower character development, lower fashion sense.



Someone who believes in himself, in goodness, who can even believe in the good in all people, even in horrible people (he tried to spare Frieza, ffs), whose presence encourages and inspires others to be good, etc. etc. etc. The moral of the story is that this kind of person is the best, even though that person is rather impossible, almost divine. Even though it was GT, and GT is garbage, it kind of made sense that Goku rode off with the dragon at the end; he was something more than human.

Not to say that there's no value in repenting, in this story. But Vegeta wasn't quite as good, because the (human) flaws in his character were all there specifically to keep him down.

I've already talked about DBZ too much for this month -_-

Well said.

 

[vinay87]

Watch the series, mates. Vegeta says Goku's the best.
End of story.
personally I say Launch pwns all.

 

[Ravendust]

If I remember correctly;

-Super Buu never laid a finger on Mystic Gohan, he only won by using dirty tactics (self-exploding, absorption, killing him while he was unconscious).

-Super Buu was supposed to be stronger than Kid Buu (though Kid Buu was much more aggressive, sneaky and vicious).

-SSJ3 Goku and Kid Buu were evenly matched or thereabouts.

Mystic Gohan > Super Buu > Kid Buu ~ SSJ3 Goku.

 

[Dokutayuu]

If I remember correctly;

-Super Buu never laid a finger on Mystic Gohan, he only won by using dirty tactics (self-exploding, absorption, killing him while he was unconscious).

-Super Buu was supposed to be stronger than Kid Buu (though Kid Buu was much more aggressive, sneaky and vicious).

-SSJ3 Goku and Kid Buu were evenly matched or thereabouts.

Mystic Gohan > Super Buu > Kid Buu ~ SSJ3 Goku.

Lets go with that, it makes great sense. Does that mean Gotenks is the one after Gohan? I'll make a list using everyone in the list at their best.

That doesn't include Buu's absorptions as that's not his power...


Mystic Gohan >SSJ3 Gotenks > Super Buu > SSJ3 Goku > Broly > SSJ2 Vegeta > P.Cell > Piccolo (Fused) > Frieza

Reasoning time.
Ravendust is right about the ownage of Buu by Gohan (I own all episodes and can see the fight over and over, Aren't I great?)

Gotenks had a slight edge over Super Buu (Who is better than Kid Buu as Goku could keep Kid busy but stated he couldn't take on Super). So Goku is a step below Buu.

Broly was beaten by Goku using the other's energy (who all together would be owned by SSJ3 Goku if it were possible for Goku, Trunks, Vegeta and Piccolo to fight him). Also Bio Broly was even with SSJ Goten and Trunks...

Vegeta would probably lose to Broly... The 2 can be swapped around if wanted...

Cell was handled by an injured SSJ2 Gohan who would lose to a full power SS2J2 Vegeta.

Piccolo could handle Cell 1 but not 2 so he would lose to perfect.

And Frieza 4 could be stalled by a weak Piccolo. The new super fused Piccolo would beat Frieza.

Settled... But strongest doesn't mean the best...

 

[Mr.Lukyas]

Mystic Gohan ~ Super Buu > Kid Buu ~ SSJ3 Goku.

I think it should look like that.

 

[Ravendust]

I think it should look like that.

That would imply that Mystic Gohan and Super Buu were evenly matched. By looking at their fight you can tell that's not the case, Buu threw several attacks and nothing hit, Mystic Gohan threw several attacks and liquidised Buu.

It also depends on what time period you look at the characters in. If SSJ3 Goku ~ Kid Buu in the Supreme Kai Planet fight, then how strong must Goku have been to take on Uub in just his base form? Would he be stronger than Mystic Gohan if he'd powered up to SSJ3 then? 10 Years of training to increase Goku's powerlevel, 10 years of reading to decrease Gohan's.

 

[Mr.Lukyas]

That would imply that Mystic Gohan and Super Buu were evenly matched. By looking at their fight you can tell that's not the case, Buu threw several attacks and nothing hit, Mystic Gohan threw several attacks and liquidised Buu.

It also depends on what time period you look at the characters in. If SSJ3 Goku ~ Kid Buu in the Supreme Kai Planet fight, then how strong must Goku have been to take on Uub in just his base form? Would he be stronger than Mystic Gohan if he'd powered up to SSJ3 then?

I must say you got the point there.

 

[Grega]

You are forgetting the fact that Uub had no controll over his power in that fight at all.

He couldnt fly, he couldnt use any form of KI attacks. So he didnt have much to throw at Goku in the first place.

 

[Craig25]

Well, Broly IS the official strongest made for DBZ, since he was the Legendary Super Saiyan, strongest fighter in whole universe and stuff (3 movies on him, all i seen xD) and he kicked goku's and everyone elses asses, in the end goku threw him into an astroid after sucking the energy from all on the good side, and then like in the 2nd movie he gets awakened on earth, more ass kicking, then gets thrown into a lava river and melts, then 3rd movie was wierd coz they found out some mad scientist re-grew him in a test tube, and more ass kicking, in the end gotenkz kills him but exploding a nuclear plant with broly trapped inside

So broly is ACTUALLY the strongest, but my fav is, and always will be:

Super Saiyan 2 Teenage Gohan! xD (One that kills cell xD)

 

[Adaptus]

I think either Super Vegetto or Mystic Gohan.

 

[Grega]

Well, Broly IS the official strongest made for DBZ, since he was the Legendary Super Saiyan, strongest fighter in whole universe and stuff (3 movies on him, all i seen xD) and he kicked goku's and everyone elses asses, in the end goku threw him into an astroid after sucking the energy from all on the good side, and then like in the 2nd movie he gets awakened on earth, more ass kicking, then gets thrown into a lava river and melts, then 3rd movie was wierd coz they found out some mad scientist re-grew him in a test tube, and more ass kicking, in the end gotenkz kills him but exploding a nuclear plant with broly trapped inside

So broly is ACTUALLY the strongest, but my fav is, and always will be:

Super Saiyan 2 Teenage Gohan! xD (One that kills cell xD)

Here are some fun facts.

Brolly in movie 1 has to fight 4 SSJs and 1 Namek.

Looses in the end.

Brolly in movie 2 has to fight 3 SSJs (2 kids and Gohan who hasnt been training for 4 years) and then looses in the end.

In movie 3 he has to fight 2 SSJ kids, 1 android (weaker than the kids) and 1 krillin (allso weaker than the Kids).

Needless to say he gets his ass whooped again.

Judging by the age of the characters the first Brolly movie is fro before the Cell games with the addition of Gohans SSJ form. Goku is still alive so it cant be after the Cell games. Meaning there is no SSJ2 in there.

In the second movie its similar. Its about at the start of Buu saga with Goten and Trunks as kids and Gohan who allready knows Videl. Goku is still dead so that means it cant be placed after Buus death. Meaning Brolly allso fights only SSJs and no SSJ2s.

Movie 3 is right after Buu saga judging by the characters (18 and Satans talks about the reward for throwing in the fight). Buu is not round them meaning its before the 1 year he stayed in gods palace for the wish to be made to erase peoples memories of him. Goten and Trunks dont really fuse but they are not in the SSJ2 stage eather. Not to mention even Krillin who is weaker than the kids can hold his own to a degree agains the clone Brolly.

So all in all Brolly is weaker than a SSJ2.


In any case without fusion characters id say its Mystic Gohan. (I see Buus absorbtion forms as fusion characters or else Gohan Buu would be the strongest if not taking Vegetto into account.)

 

[MF29]

What is there to talk about, Mystic Gohan.

 

[Synth]

Yeah, Mystic Gohan basically trumped everything.

Till Buu absorbed him.