Scripts? What the hell?

[Ravendust]

Like I said, It's all about how you want to play.

Ok well if you put it like that, I could probably input 60-arrows in adv melee, of course i'd have to practice my micro a lot and expend energy tapping 60 directions in at insane speeds and buy a new keyboard with flatter keys and a faster response time, and probably break it in the process.

Well, I don't want to do any of that but I do want the same effect, so i'll write a script to do it for me as many have done to the outcry of their opponents. Sure it's possible in the game, but that hardly makes it legal. You can be a master aimer or you can use aimbot, the effect is the same. Unless everyone can use the same script then it crosses the line.

Technically you could write a script that automatically teleports you away whenever a player gets within 20 units distance of you. You would be immune to melee, or (if you made it applicable to beamheads too) everything assuming you keep your ki recharged. Is that fair? After all, it's possible in the game. /rant.

 

[Draylock1]

Let me say this much Sarotobi, I don't care if you can get around all the scripts / hacks / exploits, or if you can do them all yourself, which you probably can. The melee system for 1.2 is bogus and it needs to be changed. Every single thread I see you in, your fighting for 1.2 to stay because you've learned all of this bullcrap that ruins the game. Would you please stop trying to make things suck? They are going to change it, because the majority of people don't like the system.

On Topic - People say scripts were bad in 1.1, look at 1.2 lol. I just came back and played for a day, I do it about every month. Now it seems you theres a combo you can't even block if you time it right. Plus now AIMBot is a huge thing again. All these instant advanced melee crap, makes my head spin. Ugh.. I can't wait for changes. 1.1 maybe had teleport scripts. lol. and a crash script. I had both. I wonder how many there is in 1.2.. ok I'm gunna stop ranting on now. bye

 

[Sephize]

Want me to give the code so everyone can use the forward swoop? or the turbocharge? I'd love to see the keybinding for aimbot or the 60 arrows

 

[Jinks]

All I can say is this:

I don't use hacks/scripts

What I use is straight up me and my skill.

Using scripts to simulate anything in game is cheating along with hacks. You cannot simply sit here and say it is different. Yes CS has a buy script....ESF doesn't have a menu to buy what beams and combos you use b4 every match. If it did I wouldn't mind a BUY SCRIPT. Thing is about ESF that separates it from CS and all other Halflife mods is it takes practice and SKILL to do what you want. You can literally learn how to do anything in game...if you practice. Since I've been back I've seen some weird stuff going on. I mean like forward tele's behind opponents. Then an instant 180degree turn or more to hit a person that is now behind them. This hit happens in a millisecond. I've seen people beaming fools from across the map and scoring direct hits...not Area effect hits direct hits while the person is swooping. <---That happens not like a few times but everytime certain people use beams. I've seen people that I thought were using skill simply do things that can't be done in the minute time frame they pull it off in. The new recent one I'm starting to see is like instantaneous 20 input adv. melee chains. Yeah thats fun.

This saddens me....in 1.1 all I ever encountered were tele scripts and morons crashing servers.

Remember if I beat you down and your using scripts realize I'm script/hack free....then quit cause you just suck.

 

[Jinks]

The only unbalanced thing in simple melee is the rolling exploit (or whatever you wanna call it), but adv melee seems to have some more flaws in them.

They rolling exploit I wouldn't call an exploit....that takes skill to pull off. Its one of the FEW remaining high skill manuvers in ESF now. I can pull off 3 hit combos easily and sometimes when Im playing good I can get up to 5. This is w/out scripts/hacks as well. So for me to do this takes a lot more skill than for me to input some adv. button sequence and hope I get a random arrow...

You should start practicing to do them and get good. You can mop up some competition when you start pulling them off with ease.

 

[Ravendust]

The rolling exploit takes no skill whatsoever, you just hold down secondary fire/basic melee while they reel from an attack to get five free hits and they can do absolutley nothing. Some servers ban you for taking advantage of this exploit.

 

[Sephize]

I never get the feeling of WOW i beat a player now that I'm using scripts. It should be a good feeling, beating a scripter with ur own skill. I don't like the arrogant ****s that beat down noobs and make fun of them. [me]looks at sarutobi[/me]

Using scripts isn't something to be proud of, but this game isn't all about pride. I don't see the diffrence between a buy script and these scripts, it's scripting, pure and simple. If you're gonna ***** about them, then ***** to ALL of the scripts

 

[nge]

I'm going to step in for a second, and help people realize that there's no such thing as an "Aimbot script" Or an "arrow script." Aimbotting is done via hacking, as is the "60 arrow script" which in actuallity is a speedbot. Scripts can only take in-game commands, and chain them together at times.

While I don't use any scripts for ESF, I fail to see any major problem with it. Thinking about it right now, most of these scripts could be recreated by binding certain actions to the mousewheel, anyways. It's kinda nothing more than customizeation, in my eyes.



Oh, and I'm just going to get this out've the way- 95% of the time (random percentage but I'd say fairly accurate) "Scripts!!" is usually just shouted out due to frustration because one player is being dominated by another. Judgeing this community from it's forum-goers, I'd say the majority are unaware as to how to script, and make claims based off of what they think scripts are. No offence intended, but for people to say that they know 100% about a subject without actually having experiance with it is kinda sketchy.

 

[Jinks]

first ravendust...i'm talking about starting in the air then getting em to the ground. That takes skill getting them to the ground via 2 melee hits then using the ground to continue your chain. I'm not talking about people that just roll and doing nothing but rolling and not moving while another play pummels them. What I try to do is get em to the ground and then hit them up and continue a chain.

Scripts replace skill Sephize. Plain and simple if you are using something to replace button hits and timing its cheating.

Nge I didn't know the large adv. chains were a hack. I knew aimbot was. As for scripts just replacing key strokes....come on. I can't condone it. Its different assigning your keys to diff keys ala options, but having 1 key do the function of a few key strokes is wrong.

 

[Ravendust]

The 60-arrows is a script, it inputs the button presses for you. When you write the script you can have it input up-up-left-down-up-down-right etc, and then bind it to a key for use in adv melee.

 

[Rayos]

Umm just for reference...i don't go around finding random newbs and beat them down and mock them.....all the time...if you actually played with me more than a match you would understand that i am actually a nice guy and help out many people. Just because i mocked you for scripts during a match doesn't mean i don't like you...just wanted you upset a bit...hey it is all in good fun in a game..


anyway i do not accept scripting as a way to play in esf. Just not a valid way...Just don't do it infront of me and we are fine

 

[nge]

Raven, I could've sworn there was a limit as to the amount of space an arrow must take in order to be carried out, otherwise the direction won't change and it'll still go to the same arrow. Correct me, I may be wrong. I do know, however, that a speedhack/arrow script combo could be quite potent- This, however, falls into the hacking catagory, which is immoral already in that sense.

There are a few exploitive things people can do via console commands and scripts, sure, but most've them effect the game in different ways. If I wanted, I could have white/black walls and interp commands that make it so I could hit what would appear quite far behind you.

Those, however, are quite available to just about any 3rd party game, and such things shouldn't be done simply on the basis of fair play.

However, simple "turbo/charge" or "Auto swoop" scripts seem quite harmless, and in several cases more a hinderance than a help anyways. On slower or lower end computers, scripts often don't work right due to FPS issues, as your FPS is directly related to the amount of commands your computer can process in game. (Which, as some people I'm sure have played and seen, is why things look slower and seem easier to pull off on better computers.) So, most of these scripts are pretty much un-useable for anyone without powerful computers anyways.

 

[frsrblch]

I wouldnt mind a script to drop after a swoop or one to do the swoop double tap for me, but that wouldnt be fair to the other players. I cant count the number of times ive sat stationary for the guy fighting me because I mistimed a drop or double tapped too fast/incorrectly.