Red Steel? Wii? Which is it man!?!

[Scruff]

It has a new name. It is ridiculous.

I'll still buy one. :/

 

[ZeroNightmare]

I'd rather have a new name than the same old one with numbers in it. Wii is better than GameCube3 or GameCube360. Nintendo hardly ever uses the same name for a console, except for Super Nintendo but they still don't use numbers like everybody else.

lol...

nintendo
super nintendo
nintendo 64
gamecube
nintendo revolution / nintendo wii

thats like 60% son.

 

[Promiscuous Girl]

The others want your support; Nintendo just wants your phat amellican loot. End of story.

It was a pathetic publicity stunt designed to generate a buzz and that's what it did. Does that make it any less a cheap and twadry trick, or any less a stupid name with no logical or demographic point to it? Of course not. It is just a stupid ****ed up word that they invented to stir the pot.

Their machines in modern times have always been the cheapest. And now they don't even want to pay for promotions; they give it a stupid name and use the fanbase as walking commercials. Microsoft and Sony don't NEED your sale. That is why I prefer them over Nintendo--I don't think they are better. I think that Nintendo sucks and is just out to trick you all into dropping another ****load of money into the same old pile of gimmicky crap. The other companies don't trick me; they make something, if I think it's cool I can buy it, if not then hey, someone else will, no big deal. Nintendo desperate hunts every last dollar in your wallet; their balls are to the wall and this is just another cheap trick they pulled out of the hat to reel you all in.

All too easy, if you ask me.You keep responding trying to bring the flame down on people not siding with Nintendo here. And you already put some console-warrish words in my mouth once before in this thread. I know it skirts the line, so do you. Incriminating the other ones at the end of the day does not change what Nintendo is doing--they are playing you for fools.

Nintendo is using cheap tricks and publicity stunts to secure your dollars. The other ones don't have to. At the end of the day, that's the bottom line. They advertise their products; they don't try to connive you into spreading mass publicity, they don't need any super secret special surprises to make people give a crap about their products, and most of all, none of the other companies has ever forcibly re-released the same game dozens of times while bending over and mercilessly raping your wallet. Again. And Again. And again.

You can source it to familiarity but even that is a crock; Mario, Samus and Link are great, but they are no longer alone in the world. Solid Snake, Master Chief, Sonic & Shadow, Leon Kennedy, Crash Bandicoot, Sly Cooper, DMC's Dante...I mean...the list goes on and on and on.

You cannot possibly have any way to deny to yourself that this name thing was anything more than a marketing stunt to generate a buzz. Tell yourself anything otherwise and you're just in denial.

And even ignoring all the other points made...it is still a STUPID NAME.

As usual, im having alot of trouble understanding your views on Nintendo. I remember you saying, that you don't hate Nintendo-- whereas you just hate how they always seem to put their worst foot forward. But then, there's other times where you just hate them. But moving away from that, what i don't understand is how did you manage to come to the delusion that Nintendo naming the console " Wii " will suddenly going to make everyone run out and buy it? Im sure you noticed the fan reaction have been mostly negative, and some people have gone out on a limb to even claim that they aren't going to buy it because of the name-- so where does the trick come into play again ?

Also, it seems like your failing to understand is that most of us don't care about Nintendo's marketing practices at all. Im not really sure, but it seems like your trying to say that you dislike Nintendo for the way they decide to market their products. And while that's fine, most of us could care less about how Nintendo sells us their console as long as we are able to play the games we enjoy.

Nintendo has been critisized many times in the past that they need to be more agressive in marketing. Now that they are finally doing it, it's a bad thing. Nintendo can't do anything right these days i guess. The next thing you do, is contradict yourself. You say they want our money in any way possible, even though they are the cheapest console around.

Also, you think MS and Sony don't use similar tactics? I still fondly remember how Sony claimed that PS2 would demonstrate toy story like graphics. Or what about MS with their world wide launch? They hinted that it was a blatant way to get cheap publicity by artificially creating a shortage of consoles.

As for the characters you pointed out? Yes, i do think that snake and Master chief are cool. However, those characters are spread between Sony and MS. Meanwhile, Mario, Samus, Link, etc. i can get with just one console. If your point was that the other consoles had superior (and more) characters, it was a bad point one.

About them re-releasing the so called same games ? Well... I don't codone the releasing of games multiple times, but if people are buying them why stop. The other's will surely follow.

I think it's kinda naive, to say that the other two companies don't need our money, and point out that all Nintendo wants is our money. If you choose to play games based on the way a console markets their console then more power to you, no one will try and stop you. But yes, it was a marketing stunt. However, calling it stupid because of that, is equavalent to not understanding how the market operates AT ALL. Maybe you should be running your own business if Nintendo gets you off that much-- just my opinion. I really don't appreciate being called a fool or an idiot over something i enjoy, no matter what the circumstances. I usually just look at your post, shake my head and laugh it off when you bash Nintendo, but i always kept that respect for your view-- i always thought you just wanted to see Nintendo succeed more then anything so you were kinda persistent about their mistakes. But sometimes, you can really come off as an ass. You can take that how you want but i just wanted to make note of it to you.

 

[Fire Phoenix]

You keep responding trying to bring the flame down on people not siding with Nintendo here. And you already put some console-warrish words in my mouth once before in this thread. I know it skirts the line, so do you. Incriminating the other ones at the end of the day does not change what Nintendo is doing--they are playing you for fools.

Nintendo is using cheap tricks and publicity stunts to secure your dollars. The other ones don't have to. At the end of the day, that's the bottom line. They advertise their products; they don't try to connive you into spreading mass publicity, they don't need any super secret special surprises to make people give a crap about their products, and most of all, none of the other companies has ever forcibly re-released the same game dozens of times while bending over and mercilessly raping your wallet. Again. And Again. And again.

You can source it to familiarity but even that is a crock; Mario, Samus and Link are great, but they are no longer alone in the world. Solid Snake, Master Chief, Sonic & Shadow, Leon Kennedy, Crash Bandicoot, Sly Cooper, DMC's Dante...I mean...the list goes on and on and on.

You cannot possibly have any way to deny to yourself that this name thing was anything more than a marketing stunt to generate a buzz. Tell yourself anything otherwise and you're just in denial.

And even ignoring all the other points made...it is still a STUPID NAME.

Everything you say implies something, i've merely taken what you said and put it in a new context. That's not putting words in your mouth. Congrats on that one.

Next on the matter at hand: You call the name a "cheap trick"? What...the...****.

First of all, that's what a name is it's a way of getting the "name" out there so people will be interested in buying it. I'd like you to do me a huge favor (because I'm too lazy to do it myself) and quote me where I said "oh mah gawd, this name is anything BUT a marketing stunt"

The name is rediculous you're right. I concur. But at least it's original. It's better than The Nintendo 3000, Or NintendstationX 1080.

Man, let me tell you, if the Revolution turns out to be an absolute huge sucess and the PS3 turns out to be not as popular, I'm going to sit back and laugh my ass off, and say "that's what you get for bashing before buying" But that'd be hypocritical of me because 1. I just think that the "wii" is just a marketing sunt, and 2. I like the PS just as much as I like Nintendo- I guess people fail to see the latter of the 2.

Watching people go on a rant and getting all pissed off all because of a name is by far the funniest thing on earth.

 

[SaiyanPrideXIX]

I know I come off as a jerk about this subject, I don't want anybody to think I feel otherwise. But Soul Punisher, I don't necessarily want to see them succeed so much as I want to see them start caring about what's happening to us. Start making an effort. Start to really strive to do their fanbase right.

Renaming the console at the eleventh hour is just a way to get everybody talking about it--which this thread proves a thousand fold. Nobody's talking about any of the other consoles. But giving this one a weird name has not only generated a marked controversy around what is otherwise a mundane part of a machine's early marketing life. We know what we're in for with the PS3 and 360; but now we have this weird thing called the 'Wii.' Everyone's talking about it. Everyone's going to be dying to see whether it is cool enough to supercede its stupid name. Everyone's going to want to see what Nin's next stupid little secret is going to be. At the end of the day they are all cheap tricks, the name being the cheapest. But it worked. Here we sit, speaking not a word about the others, but yet we have this 6 page thread at the top of the forum dedicated to...to what? The name of this machine. Not even the machine. The frigging NAME of it.

I know it seems like I care a lot about marketing, more than the average person. But...I have been trained in marketing and advertising. I know how Nintendo thinks of you/us! They are playing you for fools and they are selling you refurbished gamecubes with new drives and recycled motherboards. I say they are after your money because they ARE; it is only cheaper because they will be hugely less expensive to manufacture by recycling all the thousands of unvended gamecubes. It has nothing to do with giving a damn about you and me, or the dent in our wallets--they did this because A.) it benefits them to do it this way because it severely lowers their costs, and B.) because it is more likely to sell someone on the fence. THAT is why the cost is lower; in the end the intent is the same. They want you to buy it, buy buy buy. There will be a million add-ons for that lame controller, I promise. And a gun-style controller, too. And a DS hookup, and secret unlockables that require you to own at least 500 dollars worth of Nintendo merch just to even attempt to open.

I want them to start giving a crap about us, give us what we want. They just don't ever do that. Ever. And add to that the fact we are the pawns in the most inconsiderate and self-servient marketing ploy in the history of video games, being strung along by their smoke and mirrors double talk, and it just...well it really chafes my ass, to be straight about it. Maybe you all don't have hangups about being the dupes of Nintendo's grand scheme in this thing, but I do. And that's why I come off the way I do. In the end, Punisher, I'm on your side--I respect your opinions, even when they aren't the same as mine. But it doesn't change my opinion of the situation, either.

It's people like Phoenix that turn these into flame wars. With these supposedly witty responses intended to shut the people opposite him up. Like as if it's a contest to disprove or dismantle another person's point of view. I'm not trying to change all of the Nintendo fans minds, I'm just calling it like I see it. So if you don't have a real point of view and only want to cut mine down because you don't like how I present it, you might as well give it up. That's not what it's all about anyway, man. Not at all. So save the snide little jabs for the playground.

Really, Soul is a shining example of how people should handle their differences on console war topics. If everyone behaved that way, we wouldn't have the rule disallowing console vs. console topics. Most of us would do well to learn from it--there are ways to disagree without having to attack.

Even at that, I have to continue my point, though. Any person, Nintendo fanboy or not, who thinks Nintendo has done anything *for you, the fan* in the last 5-10 years is in complete and utter denial. They don't care about us, at all. I mean...doesn't that piss you guys off, even a little?

 

[Kasey]

lol...

nintendo
super nintendo
nintendo 64
gamecube
nintendo revolution / nintendo wii

thats like 60% son.

1. Nintendo Revolution isn't a console
2. It's just called Wii not "nintendo wii"
3. Thats the same name used once and not really twice because super nintendo wasn't using dumb numbers and 64 stood for 64 bits or w/e not a stupid 360 degree ball in a controller.
4. not including the super nintendo they reused a name once and out of the names you listed above it would be 1/5
5. "thats like" 20% "son."

 

[ZeroNightmare]

it still says nintendo in front of it.

 

[frsrblch]

Yes, that's correct, they were made by the same company. Such unoriginality.

 

[SailorAlea]

An important difference is that Nintendo used 'Nintendo' as the name of the console, too. How many people do you remember saying "Hey, let's go play the Nintendo Entertainment System!"? Or perhaps "Let's go play the NES!" Not many. They used 'Nintendo' as the name for the system, then amended it with "Super," then "64," and so on.

Nobody I've ever known has asked if I wanted to go play the "Sony" or "Microsoft." I heard people use the term 'Sega' a few times, but people usually used the word 'Genesis' (or Saturn, Dreamcast, etc)

 

[Fire Phoenix]

I know I come off as a jerk about this subject, I don't want anybody to think I feel otherwise. But Soul Punisher, I don't necessarily want to see them succeed so much as I want to see them start caring about what's happening to us. Start making an effort. Start to really strive to do their fanbase right.

Renaming the console at the eleventh hour is just a way to get everybody talking about it--which this thread proves a thousand fold. Nobody's talking about any of the other consoles. But giving this one a weird name has not only generated a marked controversy around what is otherwise a mundane part of a machine's early marketing life. We know what we're in for with the PS3 and 360; but now we have this weird thing called the 'Wii.' Everyone's talking about it. Everyone's going to be dying to see whether it is cool enough to supercede its stupid name. Everyone's going to want to see what Nin's next stupid little secret is going to be. At the end of the day they are all cheap tricks, the name being the cheapest. But it worked. Here we sit, speaking not a word about the others, but yet we have this 6 page thread at the top of the forum dedicated to...to what? The name of this machine. Not even the machine. The frigging NAME of it.

I know it seems like I care a lot about marketing, more than the average person. But...I have been trained in marketing and advertising. I know how Nintendo thinks of you/us! They are playing you for fools and they are selling you refurbished gamecubes with new drives and recycled motherboards. I say they are after your money because they ARE; it is only cheaper because they will be hugely less expensive to manufacture by recycling all the thousands of unvended gamecubes. It has nothing to do with giving a damn about you and me, or the dent in our wallets--they did this because A.) it benefits them to do it this way because it severely lowers their costs, and B.) because it is more likely to sell someone on the fence. THAT is why the cost is lower; in the end the intent is the same. They want you to buy it, buy buy buy. There will be a million add-ons for that lame controller, I promise. And a gun-style controller, too. And a DS hookup, and secret unlockables that require you to own at least 500 dollars worth of Nintendo merch just to even attempt to open.

I want them to start giving a crap about us, give us what we want. They just don't ever do that. Ever. And add to that the fact we are the pawns in the most inconsiderate and self-servient marketing ploy in the history of video games, being strung along by their smoke and mirrors double talk, and it just...well it really chafes my ass, to be straight about it. Maybe you all don't have hangups about being the dupes of Nintendo's grand scheme in this thing, but I do. And that's why I come off the way I do. In the end, Punisher, I'm on your side--I respect your opinions, even when they aren't the same as mine. But it doesn't change my opinion of the situation, either.

It's people like Phoenix that turn these into flame wars. With these supposedly witty responses intended to shut the people opposite him up. Like as if it's a contest to disprove or dismantle another person's point of view. I'm not trying to change all of the Nintendo fans minds, I'm just calling it like I see it. So if you don't have a real point of view and only want to cut mine down because you don't like how I present it, you might as well give it up. That's not what it's all about anyway, man. Not at all. So save the snide little jabs for the playground.

Really, Soul is a shining example of how people should handle their differences on console war topics. If everyone behaved that way, we wouldn't have the rule disallowing console vs. console topics. Most of us would do well to learn from it--there are ways to disagree without having to attack.

Even at that, I have to continue my point, though. Any person, Nintendo fanboy or not, who thinks Nintendo has done anything *for you, the fan* in the last 5-10 years is in complete and utter denial. They don't care about us, at all. I mean...doesn't that piss you guys off, even a little?

Now that sounded much more professional- except I don't see how you can bash the console gaming wise yet without seeing anything or even playing it. The name? I can understand you hating it, I hate it too, which is why I'm going to continute calling it "The Revolution" but so far from what I have heard, I like it. I still don't see how you can say "Nintendo is retarded because of their name, and because of the stupid name they're going to make a stupid console" but you don't know that. Not for sure anyway, not 100%. Although I have a feeling you'll hate it solely because it's Nintendo =/

1. Nintendo Revolution isn't a console

Erm, yes, the Revolution is a console...

Nobody I've ever known has asked if I wanted to go play the "Sony" or "Microsoft." I heard people use the term 'Sega' a few times, but people usually used the word 'Genesis' (or Saturn, Dreamcast, etc)

True, but i've never heard someone say "Let's play the Genesis" I always related "Sega" to the Genesis. But you're right. Touche.

 

[Kasey]

Erm, yes, the Revolution is a console...

No the name of the console is Wii so Revolution isn't really a console it's just used to say that the Wii will be a revolution for Nintendo. That'd be like calling my PS2 "Bob" and saying "Bob" is a console.

 

[Fire Phoenix]

No the name of the console is Wii so Revolution isn't really a console it's just used to say that the Wii will be a revolution for Nintendo. That'd be like calling my PS2 "Bob" and saying "Bob" is a console.

If the previous name for the PS2 was "Bob" then yes "Bob" is a console. The revolution is wii, wii is the revolution

Revolution = Wii = Revolution, they're one in the same that won't ever change. It's a console. I'm not going to stop calling it the Revolution because it's a much better name. The Revolution is a console. Now if they never called it the Revoltion, and called it Wii the entire time, then of course the Revoltion wouldn't be a console, and no one would ever call it that. That's why no one ever called the PS2 "Bob" because it was never called "Bob" at one point in time.

I'm going to play with my Bob, see ya's all later.

 

[ZeroNightmare]

so if microsoft and sony are stupid for simply adding numbers to the names of the console, look at the marketing costs.

its cheaper to print a simple number such as 2 or 3, or 360, as opposed to super nintendo, or nintendo gamecube, or nintendo revolution.

so wouldnt nintendo be the stupid ones for wasting all that money.

 

[Kasey]

An important difference is that Nintendo used 'Nintendo' as the name of the console, too. How many people do you remember saying "Hey, let's go play the Nintendo Entertainment System!"? Or perhaps "Let's go play the NES!" Not many. They used 'Nintendo' as the name for the system, then amended it with "Super," then "64," and so on.

Nobody I've ever known has asked if I wanted to go play the "Sony" or "Microsoft." I heard people use the term 'Sega' a few times, but people usually used the word 'Genesis' (or Saturn, Dreamcast, etc)

Sega and Nintendo are gaming only companies. Microsoft and Sony sell other products. Microsoft sells computers and other stuff like that and Sony sells computers, CD players, TV's etc. While Sega and Nintendo make only video game products. If someone said "I'm going to go play my Sony." you wouldn't know what they meant because Sony makes other types of products.

 

[ZeroNightmare]

you could use your common sense and assume a video game

"i think i'm gonna go play my sony 40' hd tv"

i didnt know sony made computers.

 

[Kasey]

you could use your common sense and assume a video game

"i think i'm gonna go play my sony 40' hd tv"

i didnt know sony made computers.

I was just saying that Sony made other products. You could play a Sony computer. They made the Vaio or however you spell it.

 

[ZeroNightmare]

ah. i've seen those, didnt know sony made them

www.sony.com

the make tons of things!

 

[Ness]

Hmm...they shouldve called it the NStation 5 or the Nbox 540

 

[L]

Lol.
http://revtruth.ytmnd.com/
Just thought I'd post this for the Wii haters.

 

[SaiyanPrideXIX]

What's cool about that, is that those three pictures in the background are probably the only things shown to Nintendo fans in the last year regarding this junkbox. Two of them have always looked completely CG to me anyway.

Either way that's off the topic. Put it in your sig, if you want us to see it. Or make a thread for that sort of thing. We're supposed to be talking about the name here.