New Move For Goku

[MR GUMP!!]

If i remember right when goku fires his kameha wave against raditz it has a pl of about 1200

when picolo fires his sbc it has a pl of like 1450

 

[tHe~reD~nAMek]

Originally posted by MR GUMP!!
If i remember right when goku fires his kameha wave against raditz it has a pl of about 1200

when picolo fires his sbc it has a pl of like 1450

precisly, although by todays standards the energy difference seems marginal. but back then, not everybody had a power level of freakin 50000000000000000000000000000000000. so that 250 power level makes a major difference.
and btw ultrassj vegeta, could you like make ur response to my comment more understandable. I cant quite understand what u were tryin to say

 

[ph34r t3h Cute]

Originally posted by L33T ha4or
ive seen the official listings and special beam cannon wasnt greatly stronger it was only marginally stronger

theres no official listings, just people made by pl lvls basiced on parts of dbz when it was clear what there pl lvl was.

 

[tHe~reD~nAMek]

thnk you tepus i was about to say da same thing

 

[[ESF]nighthawk]

Ok...let's take Perfect Cell and SSJ2 Gohan. Cell threw all the tricks in the book at Gohan and Gohan either caught/deflected/shot back them all. Cell's Chou Kamehameha got pushed back by Gohans regular Kamehameha....Cell just didn't have enough juice to push his wave. Again, I state my opinion that no matter what attack is used, it's how powerful you are and how much power you can put behind your attack. The only exception to this and what makes this the only unique attack in the series is the Spirit Bomb.

 

[MR GUMP!!]

i see what your saying, but i think it is only like that to a certain extent. If gohan used chou kameha i bet he would have destroyed cell

i think that goku should get duel kameha when ssj (one out of each hand), it would fire 2 beams = to kameha. I think that would be mad cool.

 

[tHe~reD~nAMek]

Well thats obvioulsy a completely different situation seeing as how Gohan at the time was just so unbelivably more powerful than him.
I mean if it didnt really matter what attack you used then why would Cell use "every trick in the book". Wouldnt he just give up after the first blast? Id like to thank you because you have only proved my point that Makanko Sappo is "stronger" than a regular Kame Hame Ha cause when KameHame failed, what attack did Cell turn to? Obvioulsy he would want to try one that is STRONGER than the previous one he attempted seeing as how it had no effect on Gohan.
Unforunatly for Cell, Gohan was just SO unbeliveably strong it made no difference. I mean when ur that strong, ur right, it really doesnt matter what attack you use. But, when both fighters are relativly close in power level, it makes a huge difference what attacks are used.
Guess what saved Goku's ass when he fought Vegeta the first time. Kaio-ken. Yes this is an attack that must be learned, even though its just a charge up attack. So obviously, you sir, are wrong.

Originally posted by MR GUMP!!
i see what your saying, but i think it is only like that to a certain extent. If gohan used chou kameha i bet he would have destroyed cell

i think that goku should get duel kameha when ssj (one out of each hand), it would fire 2 beams = to kameha. I think that would be mad cool.

yeah that would be cool, but Goku isnt really known for using "duel fire" attacks. If anybody were to develop an attack like that, it would most likley (and unfortunatly) be Krillin (he uses duel fire attacks often, if he could develop the kamehame to wrk the same way that would be cool for him...even though he sucks)

 

[Arthos]

Yes Kaio-Ken. Make that a pre-ssj powerup move. When you transform without enough PL to become SSJ, you Kaio-ken.

COuld you imagine late-Freiza saga Gohan doing a 20X Kaio-Ken?

 

[Hibiki]

thats dumb goku already is getting moves so enough with the silly sugestions

 

[MR GUMP!!]

Originally posted by Hibiki
thats dumb goku already is getting moves so enough with the silly sugestions

Ok we can post all we want, if a mod told us not to post no more, i would listen but all you do is tell people to stop sugesting things, STOP! it pisses people off. ;(

Red namek, i cant remember when he uses it, but i just thought it would be cool, i do see what your saying about goku not behing know from duel beams, but im pretty sure he uses it once, if i remember what episode ill let ya know

 

[tHe~reD~nAMek]

actually that whole frist paragraph in my last post was in response to nighthawk, not a move suggestion (guess i should have put a quote up there)
the second one was a response to gump when he was talking about dual kame ha.
I think that a kaio ken attack for goku would really just be a waste of time. I think that attacks in esf should be strictly assault based.

 

[Enforcer15]

First of all, I don't see what is stopping the team from making the Spirit bomb the most powerfull attack in the game. The blast radius should be HUMUNGOUS and it should be damn near impossible to beat in a powerstruggle unless the defender is really far away, and has a ton of ki and is using a very powerfull attack (and has a high PL). Just leave the charge length the way it is, since it is so hard to get it fully charged and live anyways, it would make up for it being the most powerfull attack in the game. It should travel a little faster as well, since it is hella slow as of now (the alpha). Oh yeah, and the spirit bomb sprite should get a lot bigger.

I also think Goku should have kaioken, that is one of his trademark moves, so why doesn't he get it? There are so many ways this can be implemented. It could be another button just for goku to turn on the kaioken aura. The aura would obviously be red, and it would slowly drain health and rapidly drain ki. Attacks would be 3 times stronger and movement speed would be 3 times faster (Kaioken makes the user 3 times stronger and faster if im not mistaken, i forgot).

Another way for kaioken to work would be for it to be a charge attack. The longer you charge it the longer it lasts, and it would do the same thing as above. This would probably balance it out, since kaioken would be hella powerfull, but on the downside of it being a charge attack would mean players wouldn't be able to turn it on during a powerstruggle. I personally prefer the non-charge kaioken, but it should just drain ki like mad.

Goku, really needs another beam move too. When he turn SSJ, he should get his Chou Kamehameha. And when he is SSJ his spirit bomb shouldn't work, but I heard that that is already implemented.

 

[Firefly]

Originally posted by Enforcer15
Attacks would be 3 times stronger and movement speed would be 3 times faster (Kaioken makes the user 3 times stronger and faster if im not mistaken, i forgot).

only if you do a triple kaioken
a double kaioken is less stronger

 

[Hibiki]

also make it so u dont lose the attack but it still stays in the same spot if ur smacked cause goku got owned by freezer but kept his ball with out dropping it

 

[Enforcer15]

Yeah good thinking hibiki. And I don't know if this should be added, just a thought. Maybe the spirit bomb can slighty home in on people. I don't think it should have a strong homing feature, it should just be able to follow people slightly, but it could easily be outran/dodged if someone saw it coming in time. It would just make the attack a little better and a little more accurate.

 

[[ESF]nighthawk]

I'd like to thank me too...if you notice Cell's personality type (villain) it's there trademark to throw out everything in the book. On top of that, nobody at the time really knew how strong Gohan was. I mean, look at Cell...he still thought he was almighty. The only point I have proven is my own. Now you're probably going to say "Ya, they knew how strong Gohan was..." Then why, when Cell decided to show them his "full" strength, was everyone suprised. Why did Krillen tell Gohan to get out of there and everyone was mulling around like they were going to die when Cell decided to fire a Super Kame?? Exactly...

To emphasize what I've been saying all along...no matter what attack you use, it's all about how much power you got. Except for the Spirit Bomb. It's the way it's in the series, it's the way it's in ESF.

Back on topic, Goku will have new moves...just not in this beta

***Edit***

What??! The Spirit Bomb IS the strongest attack in the game, followed by the Final Flash. This holds true even in the Alpha. But like all attacks, the SB is based on the players PL, so a weak player would have a weak SB.

 

[Enforcer15]

only if you do a triple kaioken

I thought that kaioken does 3 times faster and stronger than normal, and triple kaioken does 3 times faster and stronger than a normal kaioken. If not, then how much stronger/faster does a normal kaioken make goku? Because I could have sworn in the show its said.

 

[Firefly]

Originally posted by Enforcer15


I thought that kaioken does 3 times faster and stronger than normal, and triple kaioken does 3 times faster and stronger than a normal kaioken. If not, then how much stronger/faster does a normal kaioken make goku? Because I could have sworn in the show its said.

...hm...i never saw it that way...
perhaps i´m wrong...

 

[Hibiki]

well its not really 3x power when kaio x3 its more like kaioken gives u X much power and kaioken times 3 is basicly X times 3...


well if u get basic math u will understand

 

[Firefly]

so 50% of what i said was right