Naruto vs DBZ

[Skiwan]

huh? your comparing the goal of saving the world to naruto having personal goal to be hokage? doesnt make sense, lets look at it this way. Goku's first personal goal, is to get stronger enough to beat anyone, DB, and trains under master roshi, he then goes on to a goal to train hard to beat all his enimies and he wants his son to become the next saviour of earth, not to mention his other goals inbetween. Vegeta first want the dragonballs and the earth, then he wants to get stronger than goku, he's always wanted to be stronger than frieza to avenge his fathers/people's death (like sasuke? maybe) he then wants to live a happy life with his children at the end of dbz, as he admits goku is the best. Gohan, first he's scared and he wants to protect his father, then he has a goal to prepare for the saiyans, then his goal is to fight for the dragonballs so he can get piccolo back and yamcha and the others, he then wants to train for the androids and he doesnt want to let his friends down, he then wants to be educated, he also wants to help people of the city, he then wants to get stronger for buu. ETC ETC....... dude they have goals too, all of the characters do, (even bulma, she wanted a bf at the start of db) you see you just dont notice this stuff cuz its old news, naruto is new and different, i havent really seen many re-runs...... its new and so the experience is more exciting because there is more to come if you knew exactly what was going to happen you wouldnt be so enthused about naruto.... Its not comparable, its nowhere near as complex as dbz, there are over 800 fights in dbz (if i remember right) how could a few of them not be about being the most powerful? its just people dont realise its the same as naruto, evrytime naruto is in desperate need he kicks ass, just like goku, and he has his friends that help him as well, face it, its the same format, but with different characters and character storylines, what it comes down to is the underdog becoming the best, by means of learning and gaining new techniques and powers. Just look at the chuunin exam, it is clearly a time where the underdogs surface, with their new powers, and try to beat an enemy whom is at a higher level. They have their teachers, rivals, enemies, competators, leaders, everything can be compared, dbz is diverse its just it has been tarnished for being simple, but its just the plot is so drawn out you dont realise the changes as much. I for one love manga/comics, and i know that a lot of people dont like me talking about the original context of dbz, but i think it is perfectly relevant to compare, if you ever have read it you soon see it doesnt treat you like your an infant, and you dont have to be told whats going on 5 times, and i enjoy the manga of the series rather than the anime, its because i have a very active imagination and i get enthrawled in the story. Where as the constant be-littling and annoying pauses/side stories, piss me off and it gets on my nerves. I dont know ive babbled quite a lot, but im gonna end with this, dont underestimate dbz it deserves more credit than its given, and yup naruto is exciting but its new and unseen, and so is unique for now, but in 10 years time will you still like it as much?

 

[Abe Froman]

i cant express my bottomless depths of hatered that i have for naruto and all who follow it :I plz.. die.. :I

OK...I like the series, A LOT, but I partially agree with you; people have jumped on the Naruto bandwagon like I have never seen before. What did you guys like BEFORE Naruto?

The fights in DBZ have a particular format; hero starts fighting villan. Hero start winning, then villan retaliates and starts winning. Both use signature moves, with villan coming out on top. Hero magically gains a power or technique they didn't have when the fight started, hero wins.

There is only one fight I can think of that goes that way in Naruto, and there is a good reason for it.

 

[Skiwan]

"Hero start winning, then villan retaliates and starts winning. Both use signature moves, with villan coming out on top. Hero magically gains a power or technique they didn't have when the fight started, hero wins." its exactly what happens in naruto, plenty of times ive seen it like sasuke and naruto vs haku, dude i know what im saying.

 

[DiebytheSword]

When you point out that the earth's special forces have a common goal . . . I'm assuming you forgot completely about the whole Dragonball era, where half of them are mortal enemies for more than 10 episodes . . . don't forget DB and DBZ are one story, whether or not you like it.

 

[Phatslugga]

@David; Naruto's goal to becoming the Hokage isn't the only thing going on, EVERY character has his own goal, and it's not just to become stronger or to protect people. most of the goals deal with their own philosophies about life. The goals the Naruto characters have are much more complex than the example you gave of bulma... wanting a boyfriend.

I've already mentioned the themes of the episodes that we've seen, Naruto, Rock Lee, Neji, Hinata, and Gaara all have different types of goals and beleifs. Gaara and Naruto are like your Goku/Vegeta characters, both want to become stronger. However the rest of the characters are trying to prove their own beleifs, or change themselves. In Dragon Ball Z on the other hand, everyone just wants to surpass another person, or protect the innocent. That's all it is, Goku wants to protect the innocent, Vegeta wants to surpass goku, Piccolo wants to surpass goku, Gohan wants to protect the innocent/ protect life. A few exceptions, Krillen mainly wants to get over his fear of death, Trunks wants to earn the respect of his father(by becoming strong).. and pretty much all of the bad guys either want to destroy the earth/universe, or take the dragon balls to become immortals so they can rule the universe.... or both.

Now there's not much variety there, only a few characters have a different goal other than to become strong or protect. In Naruto, we're only in episode 73 of the anime, and I'd say there are as many, if not more characters in the show as it is, and each one has his own unique goal in addition to becoming strong. You don't even need me to tell you all of this, you can plainly see that the characters in Naruto have a little more than strength on their minds. It seems pretty obvious to me that Naruto completely obliterates DBZ, but It's just my opinion. Dbz is still a great anime, don't get me wrong, but Naruto is better. In 10 years, I won't like Naruto as much, but it will still be better than DBZ. Remember, age doesn't make something bad, I still think Tom&Jerry was one of the best cartoons, along with other hanna-barbara cartoons, I still think Scarface was an excellent movie, and it's pretty old. I even watch the Seventh Seal from time to time. Despite how old it is, it's still a good movie. Too many of you base your arguments on the age of DBZ, for me, that has absolutley nothing to do with it.

 

[Synth]

There both good IMO, I made this thread hoping people would realize there similarities and there differences. When there is an Anime of Hall of Fame...

I'm sure they will be both nominated

 

[Dask]

Yeah, so I have 6 Naruto videos now and I'm loving it even though I have no idea what's going on. I got em from this site.

HERE!

 

[Sunslayer]

i ain't never done seen no naruto, but ninjas do sound cooler than repititive conversations (HENCE GOKU VS FRIEZA!!!!) and lack of innovation (HENCE SUPER SAYIAN 1, ULTRA SUPER SAYIAN, SUPER SAYIAN 2, SUPER SAYIAN 3, SUPER SAYIAN 4, i mean, all they did was change the look and made them have +1 number...) but that's just my opinion anyway...

 

[Abe Froman]

"Hero start winning, then villan retaliates and starts winning. Both use signature moves, with villan coming out on top. Hero magically gains a power or technique they didn't have when the fight started, hero wins." its exactly what happens in naruto, plenty of times ive seen it like sasuke and naruto vs haku, dude i know what im saying.

Yes, Naruto vs Haku was the ONE

There is only one fight I can think of that goes that way in Naruto, and there is a good reason for it.

fight where someone gained a power they didn't previously have DURING the fight. Go ahead, try to think of another one.

 

[SailorAlea]

Yes, Naruto vs Haku was the ONE
fight where someone gained a power they didn't previously have DURING the fight. Go ahead, try to think of another one.

Um.. Rock Lee vs. Gaara?

Rock Lee said the only time he was ever allowed to take off the weights was to 'protect an important person.' Well, Sakura must not have been so important, you know, when Rock Lee let his ass be kicked,

Only to suddenly take off the weights "I don't care! Now is the time!," during his fight with Gaara, suddenly gaining a power they didn't have (or use) the previous fight.

He claimed he would 'protect her until he dies,' well apparently that included letting himself be killed before he'd take off the weights, when the condition to take off the weights was to protect precious people in the first place?

I'm certainly not the only one to notice this.

 

[Phatslugga]

Rock Lee always had that power, he just never used it. It wasn't like he transformed into a super-saiyan out of nowhere, he was just holding back. Also, when he got his ass handed to him by the sound ninja's, He used his primary lotus, which was a move he was only permitted to use when protecting someone special. It failed, but only becuase the other ninja's interfered, I'd say he did pretty good 3v1. I also think he just underestimated them, plus, one of his teammembers said he got sloppy, or foolish, something to that extent.

 

[SailorAlea]

Rock Lee always had that power, he just never used it. It wasn't like he transformed into a super-saiyan out of nowhere, he was just holding back. Also, when he got his ass handed to him by the sound ninja's, He used his primary lotus, which was a move he was only permitted to use when protecting someone special. It failed, but only becuase the other ninja's interfered, I'd say he did pretty good 3v1. I also think he just underestimated them, plus, one of his teammembers said he got sloppy, or foolish, something to that extent.

I realize he "always had that power."

The point was, it was a convenient plot device that took place in Naruto. Rock Lee could've easily destroyed the 3 ninjas and 'saved the day.' He didn't, so they could pull his weight-off powers out of his ass -later- and go "omfg wow he pwns."

According to the rules set out by Gai, he was perfectly "Within his rights" to take off the weights to protect Sakura, Sasuke and Naruto, and he CLAIMED to have been ready to "protect her until death," but he just.. decided to get his ass kicked?

Neji was just assuming he was 'sloppy' because he was beaten by them. Had he actually tried (i.e., taking off the weights) those 3 ninjas would've been dead far before the prelims, and Sasuke wouldn't have exploded in rage (oh wait, had to let that happen, while still keeping Rock Lee as uber for later)

 

[Phatslugga]

I understand waht you're saying, but my statement still stands. I think he just wasn't given the chance to take them off, Regardless of who's right or wrong, it doesn't really matter. Dbz wasn't bad becuase of these adrenaline rushes (they do contribute a little bit, when constantly over-used), but becuase the plot as a whole was just too simple. Plus, I like those adrenaline rushes, always good when placed well in an anime. It's not that redundant in Naruto.

 

[SailorAlea]

Um, he had time enough to set down the little squirrel which flew in with him and asked Sakura if she was okay, then proceeded to make the "YOSH ^_^" sign as his eyes flamed up when Sakura thanked him.

I think he had enough 'time' to take off the weights.

 

[NightShade]

rock lee is not to smart. and what i got from it is. He could only take them off when he is protecting MANY important people. So that might be the case.


This thread is not really fair. Dbz is much older and not as good as.

DBZ was a hit because it was something new to the states. the fighting the blood. I mean if it was 3-4 years before the time they showed it. People would have screamed bloody murder and censors would have went out of control. So you must understand New things like dbz that had more of a teen feel then anything was such a shocker that it was a insta hit. No matter how crappy the show was. Take a look at south park same thing.


naruto also has some flaws BUT it makes up with it for mixing fighting with getting to know the chars and how they would feel. Like telling a story. You have dbz told by a hyper dude on prozac x2. When you have naruto a person who speaks calm and then kicks it up with the sudden bangs.



One thing i want to see tho is. How they going to make the fights look better. Alot of fighting gone on so far. i hope they can give us something that will make us go wow. Even tho after watching dbz so many years the same tingle feeling i get when watching a battle has died down.

 

[Phatslugga]

Um, he had time enough to set down the little squirrel which flew in with him and asked Sakura if she was okay, then proceeded to make the "YOSH ^_^" sign as his eyes flamed up when Sakura thanked him.

I think he had enough 'time' to take off the weights.

Well, He probably didn't think he needed to take them off yet. He tried the primary lotus, he probably thought that it would take care of that one ninja, and if it did, maybe that would be enough to make the other two flee. Since it failed, becuase one of the other ninja's just so conveniently had a power that could save his friend, he realized he was pretty much screwed, then before he could really do anythng else, the ninja with the sound attack on his arm attacked him. Had he known that his primary lotus would have failed, I think he would have done what he could, allthough if that happened then there would be no evil sasuke pwning the hell out of everyone, like you mentioned. That's just what I think, so I'll just go back to chomping down on my ramen soup (shrimp flavor ----> Deelicious!).

 

[Dask]

When Rock Lee faught Gaara he used Special Lotus, was he protecting anyone there?

 

[Prozac]

When Rock Lee faught Gaara he used Special Lotus, was he protecting anyone there?

Gai said he could use it!

 

[MrTrick Jr.]

when rock lee fought the sound guys he used secondary lotus, not primary lotus!
when he fought gaara, there he used primary lotus!
lee is only allowed to use secondary lotus if he needs to protect someone important! so he uses it against the sound ninja to protect sakura who's important to him! and for using it against gaara he apologizes silently to gai.....
and he was allowed to take off his weights because gai saw that lee couldn't do anything against gaara without more SPEEEEEEEEEED in order to pass the exam! and lee uses primary lotus (opening the 5 gates, smashing enemy with hand and foot) to protect his ninja way, not anyone else!
u c, there is an explanation for everything.....

 

[Dask]

A picture of him proves something?