Wow. Just wow.
I disappear for the weekend, and 2 new threads, two closures and about 60 posts worth of discussion that has little, if anything to do with the original topic.
I'll start by saying that I'm Jewish. I'm not particularly religious but I have faith in my religion and god and heaven and how all you non-Jewish people are gonna fry in hell (sorry, couldn't help myself
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That said however, J-Dude, I'm sorry but I think you're wrong, you're wrong on a whole bunch of things and most of it has absolutely nothing to do with your religion or your political stance or any of that. The most basic of human rights is to be allowed to live, have life and be free. Key word being live, who are you, or anyone for that matter, to say that people in the middle east are so messed up that we should sail in on our holy horses and smite the wicked guys who have gotten out of control? Yes, things out there are a little wild, yes they might be a little backward and primitive in regards to some of the basic human rights that you or I take for granted, and yes some of those extremists in power do evil things to maintain their grip on their population through fear and absolute power. But that does not mean it's the world's business to purge the world of evil.
In their minds, you're evil, America is evil, if the roles were reversed and they had all the power, how would you feel at the thought of being purged for your beliefs, for your culture and religion? It's an absolute crock that they need to be destroyed, and I think if anybody on this board has a problem with you, it's because of statements like that. The majority of my friends are christian, and if any of them said that to me I'd probably deck them in the face. It's completely unacceptable that anybody who doesn't agree with you should be purged, which is, in essence what you've been saying throughout these threads.
It wasn't gone into detail, but a highlight of this thread was the brief mention of the recent elections in Iran, from what I gathered you didn't know much about the subject, but briefly, Iran held an election and the results were more than likely tampered with and the existing leader retained control, despite what the majority had voted for. There were riots and anarchy in the streets, people were taking videos of the riots and uploading them to youtube, some of the most seriously ****ed up **** (and I tend to avoid swearing on these boards but honestly I think the situation calls for it) you'll ever see. It was painful to watch.
But you know what? This is the kind of stuff that invokes change, you can't force change by invading a country and killing everybody that disagrees with you, it's gotta happen on it's own, naturally. All the revolutions throughout history, all the people who stood up for being treated badly and fought for their rights as humans. Blowing up civilians in a vain attempt to take out the masterminds is what causes more grief, talk to somebody who's had his family killed in a blast and he'll tell you why he hates America, and it's got nothing to do with religion or politics, are you going to call that a necessary sacrifice? Are you so high above what's right and just in this world that you can choose who lives and who dies?
Sorry my friend, this goes far beyond religion or the colour of your skin. I don't condone the various insults and jabs at your faith that have crept in and amongst these threads, but you have to understand that your solution is not the way. It sucks and it hurts and people are suffering and oppressed, but nobody has the right to enforce their values on others, whether it's in your mind "for their own good". You're being a hypocrite because if the roles were reversed, you wouldn't submit to the Muslim way of thinking.
