"Just A Game"

[grOOvy]

How about you all break this up? You doin't need to turn every topic to something personal and flame each other out. Let's get back on topic now. Although my personal opinion is that this topic should never have existed in the first place, but oh well. :/

so u guys are taking the stance that links parents took with him eh?

Enjoy a warning :warning: for saying something immature like that.

 

[SaiyanPrideXIX]

Personally I think it merits discussion. If you have a whole user base that agrees cheating is bad, and four or five people who think it's not bad, well it's really simple--they cheat too.

I take my games seriously. Again the analogy of the chessboard getting smashed in midgame comes to mind. But crashing servers is worse--imagine someone going up to every chessboard they see, knocking it over, and then as soon as it's fixed, one guy moves his pawn, and he does it again.

I still fail to see how anyone sees a problem with cheating. The point of the game is competition, like all games, and it doesn't exactly merit a good fight when one guy is faster and can shut down the game at will indiscriminantly.

 

[Ultimate 17]

Maybe the one thing I DONT buy in EC's apology/confession post is that none of us know he is FOR SURE DONE with cheating/hacking/crashing or even playing ESF altogether. Groovy and I know EC oh too well over the past year and we know that he can say one thing and then do the opposite. How many times has EC screwed up and then come back to admitting he was wrong and then everyone is like "oh ok, he admitted it, lets go back to our cheery lives and forget about the wrong he did". For the few people who have known EC, especially my SL/AD members and my fellow ex-Z members, we know this probably isn't the end to his ESF playing or even his 'games' with devil. I wish to believe that he's done with either this game or done with his hacking exploits because beyond the game he's an OK guy. I am always in contact with him on aim because we were fellow clan members and co-leaders. But with that said, I am also not taking his side on this matter, because what he did or is doing is wrong and I'm not going to be blinded by that even if we are good chums. The anger he has caused to others will never be made up with any kind of punishments... I believe it was Scorcher (I think) who commented about EC posting in a 6-page deep topic saying 'I will accept any punishments'... well sadly enough, nothing can be done other than to ban him from your server if you feel this is the right justification for him, and as for EC being done with ESF, he told me personally that he has countless alias's, so just because "EvilCHiMP" is gone, doesn't mean the man behind the monkey face is out of ESF.

 

[SaiyanPrideXIX]

I believe it was Scorcher (I think) who commented about EC posting in a 6-page deep topic saying 'I will accept any punishments'... well sadly enough, nothing can be done other than to ban him from your server if you feel this is the right justification for him, and as for EC being done with ESF, he told me personally that he has countless alias's, so just because "EvilCHiMP" is gone, doesn't mean the man behind the monkey face is out of ESF.

That was me who made that 6-page-deep confessional comment. I mean he tells us he's leaving ESF and ditching his computer, too. That's like getting caught for drunk driving, and they threaten to impound your car, but you drive it off a cliff as soon as they let you out.

It was a load of crap. As much trouble as it has caused me, you'll never see me uninstall AIM, just the same. And by trouble I mean with people, not with program issues.

I'm sure a "new" 10 post newb will show up sooner or later and defend him.

Regardless, as was said, he has a history of confusing behavior. I for one would just let it go. We don't need people like that; this is a tightly knit community and I like to believe that all the big names that have been around here--Scorch, Groovy, Sonic, Nightshade, etc.--were here because of two reasons: because they were competitors and because they were honorable people.

We don't really need people like EC if we have good men and women like that walking around. Bottom line.

 

[Lynxy]

Does repeating yourself give you a kick? It's been told a few hundreds of times he should be punished for his crashing. As I repeat, let ESF handle this. You can keep bragging about how bad, evil and what a hacker EC is. It's up to the authorities what happens to him. How about another reply exactly repeating yourself, telling how bad EC is, and how he should be punished?

Just close this thread and post whatever punishment(s) EC gets.
-Lynx-

 

[Scorcher2k]

It's up to ESF to decide what's going to happen to EC. And us discussing about it won't actually matter a single bit. So I suggest we should stop writing what we think he deserves and let ESF handle this. It's not in our control to take actions anyway. Just sit this one out.
-Lynx-

As far as I'm concerned ESF is made up somewhat of the community. As it is right now with the Developement team not hosting any servers if we were to take down all the servers no one would be playing esf. As a person that does host a server and tries to keep it a clean and fun environment this whole thing pisses me off. There is no justification for crashing someones server and it does follow the bully attitude. We as ESF server admins are now faced with a predicament. Its harder if you know him personally as well. I never had a problem with EC and I thought he was a pretty cool guy. I even started investigating this shortly before his post. I investigated it to prove it wasn't him more so than it was him because I didn't know what could compel to act like that. It is up to the esf admins and mods to decide whether he will be banned from the forums and up to the server admins to decide if hes banned from the servers. I DO listen to what people have to say also. Allthough I'm hot headed, I'm not arrogant.

As I repeat, let ESF handle this. You can keep bragging about how bad, evil and what a hacker EC is. It's up to the authorities what happens to him. How about another reply exactly repeating yourself, telling how bad EC is, and how he should be punished?

Does repeating yourself give you a kick?

We're having a discussion that is mostly helping. A few people though would rather read the discussion tell people its stupid and theres no point in discussing it when they could rather look away. EC is being dealt with in different ways. To reiterate what I said earlier. The community does have a say in what happens to EC in my opinion and I am listening to their opinions to determine which action I myself will take.

 

[Sonic the Vampire]

Indeed. Don't be such a hippocrit in that you have to repeat a post about want other people not to repeat themselves. Let this discussion take place and simply leave it be if you have no further questions or comments to add to the discussion. This discussion does not target you, nor has it started any advanced flame wars, but rather has rallied parts of the community together in a discussion about the dos and don'ts of cheating. This discussion will last as long as the super moderators allow it and if you have an issue with their current judgement you can private message them with your request for closure.

 

[TriKi28]

Well... cheating is bad, boring after awhile... i assume.. just give up.

 

[Pain]

yes.... and... yea....

didnt i say that already?

 

[imported_Mystix]

Alright, I don't get why people go ON and ON about this kinda stuff. It IS just a game. Games come with competition and the urge to be the best. It's all normal. Whoever says, i'm just playing for fun. "It's just a game," that's all bull****. Why do I play ESF? Because I wanna be better than people and be acknowledged. At times, I really don't care. I hardly do. But the best feeling of it all is joining a server, then everyone greeting you and knowing who you are. It's a good feeling. Almost every game I play, I "have" to be good at it. If i'm not, i'll get mad at myself. I'm being honest right now, ( something I learned from Halorin :laff: ) games to me are like playing football against another school. YOU WANNA WIN. It's all normal. Let's just all get a long and smash some heads. If you get mad because you lost, just keep getting better. It's all about beating the best.

That's all I gotta say, i'm here all night folks.

 

[Scorcher2k]

Ya, I've always wanted to be the best in whatever I do. Not so much win but just to know that I'm the best. I don't have to win every time to know that I'm the best at it. When you get really good in a game and no one else is really keeping up with you its fun to just mess around becaues you know that they aren't as good as you. Maybe its just the fact that I don't feel the need to embarrass people. I've done this in sports more so than in games. I lose interest in something when it is no longer a challenge. I stopped playing a sport after doing it for 9 years because there was no challenge. I also find it more gratifying to try and have fun rather than to try and win all the time. I'm not taking anything away from anyone and I'm not saying that I'm better than anyone. Thats just my two cents.

 

[Draylock1]

Yeah, ive made a reputation from myself and I stand out in the crowd. I think most people in ESF gave me ******* of the year reward.

Looks like you guys take the same place as me and want to be the best as well, well give me a month and my clan will be ready to start clan matching eheheheh

 

[Pain]

Just close this thread

id have to agree with that

 

[grOOvy]

Well about the topic, on this being just a game - as I have mentioned I won't comment more on the EC incident, but since the threshold of this topic has shifted towards the other meaning of this being "Just a game", here goes:

When I started playing this game, when I was in the Z clan, etc. - I actually played to win. I did not take things as 'just a game', and I enjoyed it when I was able to defeat an opponent. It was more than just a pass-time, and playing this game me a sense of achievment in a certain way, even though this is nothing but a game.

But as I have moved on from then, a year since I started with this game, I have noticed that I play this more for the 'fun' factor than anything else. I have also been promoting this to everyone else - play this game for "FUN", that's what it's meant for. This game brings people together, this game helps us socialize on the net to an extent for 'some' of the people in this community, and like stated - this game helps us have FUN.

After being away from University for over 2 months and not having touched ESF 1.1 (I left my PC at university and have a lousy laptop at home), I have realized even more the strength of my statement. Why? Because I have been able to notice all you people from a third person's point of view. I can see what frictions are caused by those who play this game to win, and I can see the logical point of view of some others who play this game for the fun.

But coming back to the main stream of this topic, yes this is "Just a game", but that is an expression which varies from player to player, since for some it's a means of fun, for others it's a struggle for being the best. But all in all, this is 'not' just a game in my own humble opinion.

Just close this thread

id have to agree with that

Are you looking for trouble, Pain? People in this thread (Sonic Boyster, Schorcer, Ultimate 17) have already expressed their opinion on why this thread is doing no harm and are actually having a logical discussion. And seeing that you just got a warning for the fight you had with Lynx, should you be 1.) Try and act like a mod saying you agree that the thread should be closed? and 2.) Edit Lynx's name to "Links" in the quote because I have seen you tease him with that name in your other posts?

I am keeping an eye on you now, these forums aren't a place for bringing your squibbling fights into public. If you must post, post something useful and constructive that actually helps towards the topic, and not something using which you want to prolong your fight. Mods aren't as dumb as you think.... 'links'... right!

 

[Snow]

Alright, I don't get why people go ON and ON about this kinda stuff. It IS just a game. Games come with competition and the urge to be the best. It's all normal. Whoever says, i'm just playing for fun. "It's just a game," that's all bull****. Why do I play ESF? Because I wanna be better than people and be acknowledged. At times, I really don't care. I hardly do. But the best feeling of it all is joining a server, then everyone greeting you and knowing who you are. It's a good feeling. Almost every game I play, I "have" to be good at it. If i'm not, i'll get mad at myself. I'm being honest right now, ( something I learned from Halorin :laff: ) games to me are like playing football against another school. YOU WANNA WIN. It's all normal. Let's just all get a long and smash some heads. If you get mad because you lost, just keep getting better. It's all about beating the best.

That's all I gotta say, i'm here all night folks.

I could not agree more, ESF is a game to me a game I like to be good at going into a server and being the best there is a good feeling. Haveing pple say im good and that I hax(my skill is too good i use hax to be this good) makes me feel good. The fact that pple hack does not phase me If a supposed hacker is in a server that Iam in I will only go for that person go for, if he hacks He will be a challenege and If I get tossed around I dont care it is just something for me to strive for, that fack that most of you take the game to serioulsy is sad, ESF is a game I understand if you are competative but they attudes pple have when they get 2 on 1 or beamed is very sad, those are the only resons why I dont like ESF, its not the game it is the little imature childish attudes that some pple have, If I get OWNED I dont carwe it has happened to me many a time (points at grOOvy, Lynxy and MyStiX ) I dont go off calling them hackers or call them names for beating me I just stay there and get owned and try different things out and try to beat them it is the best way for you get better is play pple that are hard, not to own pple who ru not as good as you. I like how you are talking about the whole haxing with EC, but only the ESF team will decide what happens to him I dont think yyou gusy should say what he deserves especialy when most of you dont have all the facts.

My two cents on the hackers, I could care less if you get rid of 1 then 2 more will pop up you will never be able to stop the problem I have learned to live with it.

 

[Pain]

its a game but it can also be a comedy. i was in a server earlier where this kid would come up behind me and hit me while im fighting someone, so naturaly i target him when im finished with the other guy, and he just stops fighting. just typing " oooo ahahhahaha pain noob" while i go 1on1 with him. then everyone in the server accuses me of aimbotting and being a "lame hack user". *shrug*

groovy i sent u a couple PM's cuz the msg was too big for one

 

[Draylock1]

Man Pain, I think I speak for everyone in this chat, you aren't ****. Yeah, you go own those public newbies 1v1, good job.

Start playing with the big dog's and maybe you'll shut your mouth then. People might accuse you for hacking, but its not like that hasnt happened to EVERYONE on esf. Im sure everyone here has played CS and got kicked from a server or two, wow. I'm not going to sit here and count how many servers I've been kicked or banned from because thats a total waste of time.

I will once again say no one cares Pain, because, really, ask anyone if they care.

 

[Pain]

Man Pain, I think I speak for everyone in this chat, you aren't ****. Yeah, you go own those public newbies 1v1, good job.

Start playing with the big dog's and maybe you'll shut your mouth then. People might accuse you for hacking, but its not like that hasnt happened to EVERYONE on esf. Im sure everyone here has played CS and got kicked from a server or two, wow. I'm not going to sit here and count how many servers I've been kicked or banned from because thats a total waste of time.

I will once again say no one cares Pain, because, really, ask anyone if they care.

the only thing im gona say to that is, you should take your own advice. i also hope groovy sees what im talking about in the PM i sent him. its pretty obvious about now, seeing as how my post did not refer to you in any way shape or form, and your latest post has nothing to do with the topic but instead is directed at me with a malicious intent.

 

[Snow]

The topic is abot EC and cheating....Not about people calling you a hacker

 

[Pain]

The topic is abot EC and cheating....Not about people calling you a hacker

Well about the topic, on this being just a game - as I have mentioned I won't comment more on the EC incident, but since the threshold of this topic has shifted towards the other meaning of this being "Just a game", here goes

fraid not, this comes straight from the higher up, now would u ppl stop nit-picking at my posts and get back on topic please?