Is Ki real?

[DiebytheSword]

Ding, ding, ding. Let the flaming begin.

Please post why you beleive or don't beleive.

(This was days of fun on DMZ's forum )

 

[Terr@c@n]

lol, let's start flaming with no reason.. (??), a hell, why not ej? , i think everyone has some sort of ki with him/her, but not like you see in dbz, and that's it, so STFU everyone else(why not start flaming now? ). hmm, back 2 serious, i dunno what 2 think, at least cheese do is real, but ki, i just think everyone has some special force or so, but not as worked out with beams and turbospeed

 

[Majin_You]

I will tell you if I believe in Ki or not when I can use 100% of my brain. Until then, I am undecided.

 

[ssjman]

hmm, this seems familar... oh yeah, there is this HUGE discussion about it back on the dmz mb, I'll post up a link to it. Anyways, Ki is real, look at bruce lee, he used to go do freaking fast! Hmm, lame, andways, I'll have that link up!

Here's some info on ki, and the link: I never said that I could sense it through film. Kirlian(sp?) Photography may be able to capture such a thing but it has never been proven. I beleive I said that I would have to be present to see the Ki moving from the hands of the healer to the paper. If I gave the wrong impression, I'm sorry.

Ki is energy, energy that can create force. There are two states of "being" according to physical science. One is matter and the other is energy. Force is a release of energy by the movement or reaction of matter/energy.

Fa Jing is also known as the One Inch Punch. It is a Ki aided technique that builds up enormous kenetic energy potential in a short distance of acceleration. The fingers are usually placed at the point of intended impact during training. The shoulder and upper chest muscles are used along with an explosive movement of Ki to push the heel of your palm to the target area without winding up or pulling back. The technique is quite powerful, and I have had it performed on me before, to devestating effect.

read it all, and the link to the topic WARNING it is 9 pages long, but has a lot of interesting stuff in it:http://www.flagrun.net/dmz/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=530&postdays=0&postorder=&start=0

 

[Hibiki]

ki is real cause im practicing it...

ki is real but it doesnt work like it does in dbz....

u cant store ki in ur body because it causes a bad thing called a "burnout"very not fun to have... (trust me...)

u cant unleash masive ki balls that kill people.. (u wouldnt know how many people ask that question.. )

also u cant fly no matter how hard u try...

u can use ki to move fast, punch harder, jump higher, and think better..

 

[ssjman]

say, can you blow yourself up and an entire planet up with it? j/k, and what is this "burnout" you're talking about? P.S., if you concentrate enough, like a while, and you release a punch, you can make it stronger. I tried it I was really young back then, and I got a (let the flames begin) towel and held on to it, I swung my arm back, punched it, knocked it back a little, then concentrated for a few minutes, and punched, I heard a ripping noise on it. freaky O_O anyways, what's this "burnout?"

 

[Chimpbot]

Okay guys.....ki is real.
Ki, chi, spirit, internal energy...it's all the same, and everyone has it. The amount of the human brain that we use, or don't use has nothing to do with this.

We use it every day..when you exert yourself, when you do anything physical, you're using your ki. Fighters use it when they crack boards.
There have even been men that could throw their ki and crack blocks of concrete.
I'm not saying that they could throw ki waves like in dbz, but it IS a possibility.
Flying, too, could be a viable possibility. Of course, it may seem impossible now..but it was also thought impossible to build machines that could fly. If birds can do it, if machines can do it, humans can do it.
Nobody has hit of strength, skill and discipline to allow things of that nature. Not yet anyway. We may not even know what some people could have accomplished. Many things are hidden from the rest of the world, many things are ignored.

There are many things that humans can do...we just haven't found out what our limits can be.

I really believe that withing the next 10 to 20 years, we will be seeming people on the news that cn perform feats similar to what is performed in dragonball and dragonball z.
Again, I doubt that it would ever be to the extent that it was shown......but it is still a possibility.

I still remember the images of a man shattering a large block of concrete from 10 feet away using only his ki.
I still remember watching a piece of paper burst into flames, with nothing but a man pointing at it.

 

[Judge]

I studies Ki, not practiced it yet, i got the link from hibiki, he gave it like 6 months ago since then i've been studying it

 

[DiebytheSword]

Ok here's my argument from DMZ's forum:

Qualifications: 9 years of Tae Kwon Do, cross study includes Hun Gar (Tiger Claw), Akido, Hapkido, Jujitsu, and Tai Chi.

Lets begin.

Ki is real.

Argument:

I cannot touch, taste, smell, hear, or see Ki. It is not quantifiable by science therefore it does not exsist.

Hole in your argument: Science cannot touch, taste, smell, hear, or see any energy/matter in a perfect vacuum. It could not be quantified by science or mathematic values untill mid 2001. Zero Point Energy exsists in a perfect vacuum. There may be enough energy produced by oppositly charged particles (quarks) colliding in "vacuum" to boil away earths oceans. This has been proven by elimination but not quantified and no one truly understands how it happens. Physics do not provide rules for matter and energy spawning from "nothing". Science cannot recreate any of the Pyramids in Giza or the Olmec, Maya, and Aztec cities. Why? Didn't Egypt allow a pyramid to be created in the mid 90's? Yeah, except they made a mere 1/10th the size of Cheop's Pyramid which used blocks that the most fancy peice of equipment on earth today cannot budge.

Argument:

I don't see Ki blasts coming from your hands!!!

Hole in your argument:

Dim Mak is a martial art style that SPECIALIZES in attacking Ki at key junction points. If it does nothing than why the hell are real martial artist scared of fighting a Dim Mak master? I wouldn't dream of sparring with one, not even a little. For the person who will invariably argue with me about how he's hitting nerves, I assure you that Dim Mak blows do NOT have enough force to damage a nerve. I can generate enough ki to break almost any bone in your body. This is not mere muscle speed and mass at work. Bridge Hands is deadly beyond your imagination. A small tap from my 55 year old Grand Master left my stomache hurting for 3 hours through a chest protector. Speed and Mass = Impact my rear end. One Inch Punch is another devastating technique which uses Ki/Chi/Qi/Kiap, it's speed cannot contribute to it's incredible impact. Thank you, disbeleiver, for pointing out that Bruce Lee was REALLY fast; I need that for my next point, Mr. Blindedbyphysics. There is a really cool term in pyhsical motion called, a-c-c-e-l-e-r-a-t-i-o-n. The mass on Mr. Lee's arm doesn't want to move, beacause of a little law by a man named Newton. So, in one inch, Mr. Lee uses his incredible speed to overcome inertia and, without putting body mass into it, sends people much larger than himself soaring about 15 feet. But that's in the movies Mr. Cucumba!, it's not real. Except, anyone alive and real who does a one inch punch on you will hurt you bad. Mr. Lee himself performed this on live TV and demonstrations time and time again. Imagine him getting to be 50 or 60. The Ki he could release would be enormous.

And if you don't beleive me, go ahead and fight a real martial arts master, he will kill you without touching you. You were warned.

Now go wash the blood out of your eyes.

 

[ssjman]

yeah, I was looking for that on the dmz site. what page was that on? Besides, the thing I said, IS true, really did do that. Odly. But yeah, ki is real, but if anyone thinks they can "throw" their ki, they're just plain stupid, no offense or anything, but that is utterly impossible. I have seen on tv this one guy that did the dim mak (or whatever it's called) since he was a child, and right now he is in usa, and he does therapy healing. No, not acne puncture, but he generates heat from his hands, they had this heat tester whatcha ma call it, and it read the temp was going up to 100 degress! Smoke was coming from it. That was channeling ki, but not releasing it. that was when he focused it in his palm, then instead of releasing it, that ki generated heat, and heated up the cloth. And you could see the smoke from the cloth. Any USA residents that watch riply's believe it or not, should know about that guy. Besides, blowing up some stuff with a ki blast!? stupid, and ever hear of small dynamite sticks that are only about a few inches? Those suckers can blow out tree trunks. It could've been planted under the blocks. And flying, you gotta be kidding me. you would have to push your ki under you and act like a rocket, the fire and fule being the ki. You would die from it. Also that dim mak learner, he was also able to lighten his weight so he could walk on peices of paper. they were taped onto a wooden frame, and it was just a peice of paper, and some guy tried to stand on it, and he fell through it, and then the dim mak master did the same to another piece, and was just standing there. Then the other guy did the same to the peice the dim mak person was on, and fell through it. Odd, but interesting.

 

[DiebytheSword]

Because I hate retyping stuff:


Ki => Real, can gather root myself.

Kamehameha => fake

Flying => Don't know but . . .

Levitation => Documented by Communist Chinese Troops (who don't beleive in spiritualism)

Zanzoken (teleportation) => Documented by Communist Chinese Troops (who don't beleive in spiritualism)

Sticky Hand => Real, it's more fun than football at my family reunion

Ki Sensing => Real, also a family passtime, my father and younger brother are better, but I'm not that shabby.

The Ki Deathblow => In reality, this is six succesive blows to your Ki stream by a Dim Mak master, can be done in four or five with cross-body blows.

Lightfooting => see levitation

I posted more on this topic later (start on page 5) at DMZ's Forum. Click
here for the original thread where I jumped in.

 

[ssjman]

yeah, somehow I know when some people are behind me...weird...Like there's this one girl that tries to beat me up, she really loves me, but whenever she is near me I ask, "what do you want?" and she goes, "WTF!? HOW THE H311 did you KNOW I WAS BEHIND YOU!?" and runs off. it's odd though, but that isn't ki sensing, because it has something to do with out brain waves or something, like how our brains give off electric impulses, and it goes off, like echolocation, only it doesn't comeback, and it hits us, so it's like someone is sending off a signal, and hitting you, and you can "feel" it, but that is my theorie on "ki sensing."

 

[DiebytheSword]

Actually I beleive that many people experience ki and don't know it. I have met and heard of many people that have a natural affinty for it. I think that you are sensing her Ki stream, I posted on the other thread (link above) that there is evidence that Ki interacts with electro magnetic feilds. If your brain can sense changes in an EM feild, such as the giant one that keeps Hibiki's ego (just kidding dude ) strapped to the planet, then you can sence when a Ki feild gets near you. I have experienced it as a tingle with most people. But when I spar with my father I can almost see him a couple of milliseconds ahead of what he's doing. I see it like the sun's image staying on your retina after you stare at it, only it's in my memory not in my eyesight. Again, I have to meditate for a while and practice two man routines with him for a couple of hours before I get there.

 

[Cheeseman]

I also believe that Ki "or whatever you wish to call it" exists. You cant keep putting all the amaxing things that some ppl are capable of dowm to anomolies, Theres no argumants about proof that i can give that havnt already ben touched upon by other members, BUT................... once again, YES! i think it exists

btw, Ive never seen god, and no conclusive evidence exists that HE ever existed, YET ppl actually base their lifes principles on the supposition that he DOES exist. So the principle of believing in KI isnt as outlandish as some may think it is, and theres probably more proof that it does exists than other things that some ppl chosse to belive in, QUICK NOTE! im not trying to offend any religious ppl here, it was merely a statement that seemed to validate the argument, my beliefs dont neccesarily concur with what ive posted regarding religion, so please flame someone else ok?

lol

:fight:


PS anyone help me out with a sig?

 

[Fate]

The crazy thing is, i can sense people in my house before they walk in a room. Thats cool. But the DBZ ultra super powerful shoot blasts outta ur hands ki is just plain crazy. And if you think it exists, prove it.

 

[Hibiki]

im surpized that im the only one that mentioned burnouts... (having a burnout is like having a realy bad hang over and an very painfull headache)


well the one thing i have vs this argument is that as stated before ki cant be proven or disproven because it cant be mesured ,touched, tasted, smelt, or anything it just simply is....

 

[DiebytheSword]

Actually, I figured that I didn't have to since you mentioned it. I've only had a couple (two or three) that I remember. I was about 16 when I got my first "burnout". I felt like I had a fever, complete with joint aches. I generally felt ill but it didn't last too long. What martial art do you study Hibiki? My guess is a soft style with positive ki. Majority of my training is with hard styles, and thusly negative ki training. How long have you trained?

 

[Daniel]

ki is real, i have some friends that can mess with a candle flame, also 1 of em used to be able to 'control' the earth a bit, he could kinda shape it with his "ki"



hey judge or Hibiki what is the link for the site to study ki??? im interested in it

 

[Terr@c@n]

wow, what many post to this topic.. must be hot .

Please pass me over that link hibiki. And damn, the only martial art i train is judo, so i don't think that will help

 

[.FM.]

so how do you unleach your ki?