For The Love Of God!

[NeoSaiyajin]

This is why we wanted to release 1.1 linux before hand, but we had to rush the win 32 one out

Cucumba what do you mean "WE" as i recall your a mod not an esf team member, am i wrong?


And i think 6 months for this patch is perfectly acceptable because fixing bugs in the coding could lead to new bugs which they have to make a better code for that area until its nice and dandy so stop whinging jeez.

 

[Shuyin]

Why are people arguing about a game they play for free?
Me and everyone i know, think the update is great.
If You want less lag play on smaller servers till some dedicated ones switch over to 1.1
We should appreciate what esf give us, and the fact that ss_vegeta and mastasurf are paying for the servers.
I think if anyone moans about the progress of the game a link to paypal should be given to them
Well thats all i have to say..

 

[LaMM]

exactly you are all stupid respect their work!!i think the improvements are great and ofcourse i would LIKE to see it sooner but i understand they wont!!!I am in my finals to and i know i dont have that much time to go around and work on a mod or something!!Come on, i dintd even know the team pays for their servers, i think they shouldnt, we should pay for them!!so everyone stfu and pay some respect to the game adn team you lvoe!!!

 

[DiebytheSword]

Originally posted by NeoSaiyajin
Cucumba what do you mean "WE" as i recall your a mod not an esf team member, am i wrong?

Being a beta tester, as well as part of the hosts staff, allows me to say official ESF news and say "we". I'm the closest you can be to staff without being on it :fight:

And just a mod?!?!?! @!#%@$%^

I'm the moderators boss' boss. LOL.

 

[Scorcher2k]

I have continually said thank you for the great work being done on this mod. I have never said anything about the mod taking too long. Personally I don't want to hear excuses about why there are bugs with the new patch. I realized when I heard about the next patch that there were going to be bugs. For god sakes they just came out with another patch for Diablo (not diablo2). For you to hop on and say the reason for the 1.0 servers not being switched over to 1.1 yet being that we, as the esf community, rushed you doesn't even hint on answering his question. If you had just said that you were leaving them for people to play 1.0 or you haven't had time to it would be completely understandable. I think it only shows your maturity to call me a re re when I say to set up a pay pal account. Answer me this, has esf ever been as big as when 1.0 was released? I never heard of it... I stumbled upon alpha 2.0 one day and then checked back every two months or so to see if there had been any new release. Why don't you have a pay pal link on the main site now that its big? Nevermind, don't answer that. That question is only to someone that puts up the money for the site and that developes the mod. You just tried to insult my intelligence and now I'm insulting yours. To say that you are part of we as the esf developement team is like saying that by watching a screening of the matrix:reloaded you helped make the movie. Stop power tripping and actually answer the questions asked like your supposed to do.

 

[DiebytheSword]

I think you need to settle down now . . . there was a link . . . it was up AFTER beta 1. No one used it, stop pretending like you care, because if you did, you would have used it. I also garauntee I'm a wee bit older than you, so get off being more mature. You don't deal with one quarter of the crap I deal with.

Re-read my first post again, RE RE, I never said you, or the community rushed the mod, and that that was the problem with the 1.0 servers still being up. The fact of the matter is I said WE rushed the win32 client out so you could play with the linux kiddies. And I help this mod quite alot, thank you very much. Why don't you ask Mastasurf or Greg if I do anything usefull around here. You on the other hand are a whining pile of **** who read my post wrong.


DEAL WITH IT.

 

[GMan]

Hey Cucumba I think you need a break from the forums it's driving you nuts

Relax and read the Cell games story again LOL

But I do have a question

Originally posted by Cucumba
a) you can no longer spam melee . . . OMG, you have to work to get a frag! WTF, I'm playing CS again!

What did you mean by that? I don't think melee is harder..

 

[suicidal_maniac]

Um.... GMan. I last recalled that if you were hit with a beam now you stopped swooping. Thus making melee that much harder. And i fully agree with Cuc's anger. If youve ever been in the IRC room for any length of time youd see all the complaining. I really dont understand why the team even continues. They barely get anything in return for all this, aside from complaints and false compliments. Argueing with Cucumba will only get you hurt in the end. Im telling you this guy is god of the agrument.

 

[GhostfaceKillah]

Originally posted by suicidal_maniac
Im telling you this guy is god of the agrument...

He's more than the god of arguement! :laff:

 

[Scorcher2k]

One question and thats it. Why didn't they leave the link up? I'm sorry I've been busy with doing 10 hour work days in hard labor to try and pay my own way through college.

-you "Re-read my first post again, RE RE, I never said you, or the community rushed the mod, and that that was the problem with the 1.0 servers still being up. The fact of the matter is I said WE rushed the win32 client out so you could play with the linux kiddies. And I help this mod quite alot, thank you very much. Why don't you ask Mastasurf or Greg if I do anything usefull around here. You on the other hand are a whining pile of **** who read my post wrong."

-me "For you to hop on and say the reason for the 1.0 servers not being switched over to 1.1 yet being that we, as the esf community, rushed you doesn't even hint on answering his question. If you had just said that you were leaving them for people to play 1.0 or you haven't had time to it would be completely understandable."

Did you even read my post through? I'm sorry but now I just think your stupid. Who rushed what wasn't the god damned point. The point was that this conversation wouldn't be happening if you answering his quesion. In that post I expressed that I don't care about how long the patch took to come out and I applaud the teams efforts. You pissed me off by calling me a re re for not seeing a link so I proceeded to go back at you. I think you need to deal with something if you think that I'm whining at all. The whole thing was saying how I can't understand the people who have been whining about the whole thing but you could have answered a simple question as to why the 1.0 servers haven't been changed over to 1.1. It was that simple. If you see this little bit of flaming masta please take my recommendation to post a pay pal link on the site. I'm still attempting to get a credit card with my lack of credit but when I do I would more than happily donate some. I could even have my friend do it for me. Don't be so sure you have so much more responsibility though cuc. The littlebit of time I get to actually play a game keeps me sane from my workplace that puts me at risk of great injury or death and usually when I get home after 10 hours I'm to tired to do much more than try and get dinner ready. I'm trying my damdest not to flame here but you really pissed me off. I can't stand it when people put down other people let alone myself.

 

[DiebytheSword]

First off, I'm going to apologize for being way more rude than neccesary. I'm angry at other things ATM, and it rubbed off in here. I should not have been so short, or so rude.

Second, I am more busy than you, and I have a sick wife to take care of ontop.

Third, I am not an information despensing device, I administrate this forum and decide policy as well as police the people that police the public. I also do alot of things here that most people never see. I answer questions because I care about the community here.

Fourth, Paypal was a joke, it brought in $140 from two people over the year it was up, one was oktagone staff, one was a beta tester. The other donations come from the same sources, the host's staff, and the ESF dev team. No one used it, and I'm not convinced anyone will. So when you say to set up a paypal account in responce to what I said, when we actually had one up for a year or more . . . I couldn't help but get angry. That read to me "people can claim they paid for ESF, and thus they earn a right to whine" . . . it makes me really, really pissed off. My big problem here, is that I see a couple of gigs of traffic, and alot of money wasted, on people complaining rather than thanking. Actually, compliants aren't the problem, it's the **** attitude they come with that have pissed me off to no end. The funny thing is, the team doesn't mind paying, and never will. All they want, at the very minimum, is that you not disrespect them with bandwidth they pay for.


Fifth, I did answer the question . . . 1.1 Linux was only supposed to have the server code in it, but it had the client as well. Because the linux users now had the ability to play games, the team (;/) felt that holding on to win32 wasn't possible. The end result is our user base dling and installing 1.1, while the servers were still running 1.0. This is unlikely to change this week. The official ESF servers run by oktagone will be updated soon. Some people still prefer 1.0.

For GMan, alot of the whining has been the changes in melee, that essentially make spamming melee unproductive.

Now, no more flaming, I have apologized, and I expect it to end here . . . I was wrong for roasting you and I admit it, but I wan't you to understand that your little comment on paypal wasn't neccesary. Especially given the truth of the matter: It was there and no one used it.

 

[Phobius]

Hey listen man don't come down on Cucumba like that. He has been a great asset to the team and everyone related to this mod even the fans. If someone was ever feeling depressed and wanted to quit first person who would talk to them would be cucumba asking why and are you sure. He has done a hell of a lot for this mod, finding bugs so you guys don't ***** about them when playing the mod, came up with awesome ideas for the mod attack wise and other things. Everyone contributes to this mod hell even the fans do thats what makes this mod a great HL Mod because everyone is close and wants this to be one kickass mod. I myself have had the priviledge of being a moderator on the forums to keep little ****heads off these forums and keep it clean for everyone. I even got to beta test 1.0 for a few months and the time I was beta testing I saw how the mod was being developed and it was the best thing I have ever seen in most mods. You can be childish and say Cucumba does not do anything and basically just sits on his ass and does nothing but others with a brain know how much effort he puts into the mod and these forums. He makes the rules, he follows his rules right down to the dirty detail and too say he does nothing is a big pile of horse ****. Maybe you need to realize before fighting back what your getting yourself into and who of Cucumba's friends your going to piss off you little ****. You can take this as a flame because frankly I do not give a rats ass cucumba can ban me for a day if he feels like it but this needs to be said so little ****heads who think their all high and mighty because they think they know it all try to bring down someone else who is helping the community in so much ways is not tolerated, not wanted and can be shoved into the garbage dumpster. Hope you had fun reading it because I sure had a ****en blast writing it.

 

[Halorin]

I think that the topic goes both ways. If the ESF teams wants to give into the alleged *****ing and "rush" ESF 1.1, then that's their choice. But should any problems arise, they can't go and use the same thing they condoned as an excuse. I would not have minded waiting longer for a better 1.1, and if the team really wanted to wait and make one, then they would have done so. No one made them listen to the community, and not all of the community felt the same way. So don't say -I- rushed the team when I make a post, because -I- didn't. I don't see how asking when a mod's coming out and saying you want to play it makes someone rush a product. That just gives encouragement to make a good product, that's how I see it. ESF is free and all, and you can fall back on that argument all you want, but don't make a double standard by saying that the community's voice matters in how soon something gets released but it magically doesn't when that voice says something the team might not want to hear.

 

[DiebytheSword]

No one sad your voice is invalidated at all . . . all that's asked is you say it nicely. I closed/edited some 20 threads saying **** you ESF! You can't do this right . . . that is not appreciated, nor tolerated. If you say, I don't like this release because (insert reasons here), that's fine. There is a fine line between taking your time, and having a 1000 people run to another mod. Did they rush? Perhaps they did, but that gives no one the right to disrespect them on their dime. Asking when it's out doesn't help make a better mod at all . . . that's just bull****. 90% of you want to know the date so you can get over your impatience and curiosity. As far as the product being released unsatisfactorily, that's just more BS, we were all satisfied that the release would be good. All of you did not agree . . . too bad for us.

What was rushed, was the release schedule . . . this made a lack of servers for 1.1, which is what we tried to avoid. So yeah, we condoned it and it's our excuse . . . deal with it, because it's fact and can't change. All we can do is make sure it doesn't happen for 1.2.

 

[Scorcher2k]

I'm very sorry to hear about your wife. I didn't mean anything by the stuff I said I just got pissed and have a tendancy for going over board and regretting it. I know you do do things with the mod and influence it being a beta tester. I have done such things in the past and am currently helping run a very popular server for firearms. Phobias you really need to calm down lol.

On the pay pal account thing... I never saw the link so I'm sorry about that. I sincerely would donate to it though.

I have to say right now, again, that I was more than satisfied with 1.1. The new features gave a style. 1.0 was simply really god damn fast. Now it has strategy. I compliment everyone with involvement in the developement with this mod and hope you keep the good work coming despite the number of people that will whine because they don't understand.

I think more and more people don't like 1.1 because they don't understand what is wrong. Devil has been continually overflowing the 2 esf servers that are up because no one has been playing in any others. And everyone whines about their fps being low simply because they don't realize there computers can't handle the new textures and graphics options included in 1.1.

Again thanks for the mod. Got me off counter strike

 

[Halorin]

If you wanted to get rid of the community's curiousity, all that's required is the giving of information. Some people are, but most aren't satisfied with "When it's done" or "Soon." Rather that putting in the change list the word 'tweaks', I think it would have been better to log every single 'tweak' given, especially ones as gameplay altering as the ones that were. Were we supposed to just know that the FB did more damage and should be looked out for now? What magical methods were we supposed to realize that the scattershot now had its own number? It's things like that that could have been told before the release to calm anyone's curiosity. If you want to keep everything in the shadows and behind curtains, don't be suprised that people are trying to peek in. If my opinion has broken any rules of the forum, then I apologize but I thought I had just as much a right as anyone to speak my mind about Earth's Special Forces. I have provided what I think would make for a better game several times, not only in forum threads but to PCJoe himself. But at least the use of a double standard is openly admitted.

 

[DiebytheSword]

Woah chief . . . your veiw is skewed. A double standard is saying that you can't do something, then doing it myself. They felt that putting out 1.1 Win32 was neccessary, and it is precisely that reason that the plan to have servers ready fell apart. Sometimes things happen, and you need to do damage control. All you are doing, is whining. Sorry, but you will never get a release date, nor will you get advance information of changes. Though I do agree that the assignment of weapon classes should have been release a week ago, or at least documented in the release files. Quite frankly, I don't care if your curisity is satisfied . . . we give you teasers that don't spill everything for a reason. The team has the right to protect their efforts from plagerism. If you don't like that, too bad.

 

[Scorcher2k]

Halorin you seriously need to consider what your saying... I can't believe that your whining about them not telling you that something does more damage... They didn't give a **** about our curiosity and I bet some of them even liked it that so many people were interested, cause I know I would be. If you aren't satisfied with "when its done" then don't wait for it.

 

[DiebytheSword]

Glad too see we agree for once in this thread Scorcher ;D

We like to keep you in suspence, suspence generates curiosity, curiosity generates fanbase.

End of story.

 

[Halorin]

One, I'm not whining. I don't -care- if I get teasers or not. Stop saying crap like, "there's a big secret in 1.2" if you don't care about someone's curiosity. If you don't want the attention, don't basically scream for it.

Two, if the team didn't -care- about the community's curiosity, they would have had no reason to "rush" the release. That's the double standard I was talking about.

I'm not going to bother posting in this thread anymore because it's a dead issue to me.