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Yep. Believe it or not, I'm actually thinking about getting with the times ;P I have some rough outlines about some of the things I'm thinking about buying. I'm trying to keep the cost down a bit, but I kinda wanna push it on the chip and vid card. For the most part, beyond that, I don't need much more. I already am set with a monitor, so that doesn't have to be part of it. And I also don't care about cases as long as they're functional. The things I've decided on, are something like an ATI radeon x800 Pro, and an AMD Athlon 64 FX-53. What I really need to know about is Motherboards (I'm looking at something from Asus), Hard Drives (which companies are really reputable, yet cost effective - maybe 60-80 gigs), Cooling equipment (I know nothing about reliable fans/heat sinks). The 3.5 inch drive and CD/DVD drive won't be a prob either. Feel free to debate anything I've decided on as well. I read through the latest 3d card thread as well to get some thoughts about everything. Also, Cuc, if you read this, you know I'd value your opinion greatly.

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the mobo im using atm is the asrock k8s8x (which is a 64-bit compatable mobo, although im not 100% sure that it is compatable with the fx series)
 
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Affordable, quality drives? Seagate's Barracuda line is good..
And Western Digital is a pretty good company.
 
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What I personally did to keep my costs down, and my machine viable for gaming: Think modular, what you can't afford now, get support for.

For this reason alone, reuse what you can untill you can afford it all. I started with a CeleronA 466, 384 MB of PC100 RAM, an Nvidia TNT2 Ultra, and a Diamond Monster Sound MX300. Pretty 1997 gaming rig circa 1997, bad for 2002. I began looking around for a cost effective solution to my problem.

My answer was a Nvidia Nforce/Athlon XP solution, one Nforce2 and Barton core later I was up and running. The onboard NForce2 Audio, GeForce4 MX420, Ethernet, 6 USB 2.0, Firewire, PATA133, and other nice features got me up and running with just the mobo, processor and ram.

If you need to get the basics upgraded, make sure you get Nforce board with an AGP slot or PCIExpress (highly recommend that you do PCI-X).

But you need to know about brands and reliability, so here's the stuff that gets the Green Machine's list of pickle approved parts:

Mobo: Asus or MSI are the only names I trust in the bis, and further, there are some chipsets which you must avoid. Asus is preferred, MSI is a bit cheaper and overclock happy. MSI tends to throw all the bells and whistles in.

Chipset: AMD or Nvidia only (Nforce is green endorsed to the max), VIA has a history of bad I/O drivers and evilness with Win XP, SiS should be avoided like an envelope with bad grammar and white powdery residue.

RAM: Since you're going Nforce like the Green Devil suggested, you must have premium branded RAM, even their cheaper counterparts from the same company.

The List:
  • Kingston: The Jade Behemoth swears by the king, it is the only ram to have never let me down from the days of the 386.
  • PNY: Also reliable by experience, but Kingston is preferred.
  • Corsair: Great reputation for reliability and performance, but a little costly.
  • Mushkin: Comes greatly recommended by my peers.
  • OCZ: Comes greatly recommended by one of my favorite tech magazines.
Hard Drives: HDs are a simple matter, make sure you get SATA on your mobo, then get a SATA drive or a ATA drive with the following:

  • 7200 Platter speed or greater
  • 8MB Cache
  • 133 minimum for ATA, 166 for SATA
  • Avoid RAID arrays, they are a waste of time unless you plan on running a file server.
  • Only get your drive from the following companies: Western Digital, Maxtor or Seagate. Hitachi is also a good buy, but is known primarily for storage space.
Cooling solutions: There are a few thing to concider here. Arctic Silver thermal paste, and Thermaltake active heatsinks. Except no substitues. Be aware of how much air you pump in and out of your case, you should have roughly equal flow between all of your fans, no vacuums, and no high pressure. Make as many blow in, as you have blowing out . . . don't forget to include your PSU fan, which is an exaust fan. A good PSU will last longer and run cooler, something to concider for the generic case.

For CD-ROMS, if you consider anything but Lite-ON as your CD-RW/CD-R/CD-ROM you must die, unless you like Plextor, in which case I will spare your life.
 
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I am going to get 2 hard drives. One 10,000 RPM Raptor at 36 Gb for Windows and one Seagate 7.200 RPM at 80 Gb for everything else.
 
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Heatsink and Fan wise, get a copper plated heatsink and fan, and obviously a AMD/INtel compatible one. Choose one that can handle the most RPM, and has the highest air flow. Beware though,higher RPM will mean more noise. Best HS&F company i know of is Thermatake, as Cuc said, use Artic Silver with the HS&F. When you buy your graphics card, the best manufacturers i know of are MSI, Asus and Hercules. Avoid Gigabyte hardware at all costs since they are known to have compatibility issues. Hard Drives are getting cheaper now, as demand for mp3 players such as iPod or iRiver increase as they function as an external hard drive also, so buying a decent hard drive shouldnt be too expensive. Mine was 120GB Maxtor 8MB Cachem 7200 RPM, and cost me £80 :D
P.S. To add to Cuc's cooling solution, AVOID perspex cases, and only buy good aluminium cases. Coloured LED fans rock :laff: and also aim for a PSU of >350Watts. Avoid using stock Power Supply Units as they are not usually very effecient, and for the system you look to be getting, you may need quite a lot of case fans which will require a bigger wattage PSU.PSUs arent all that expensive, just look around the internet. EBAY!!!!!!! :cool:
P.S.2 I agree with Cuc, dont buy a cheaper counterpart for instance, you cant get an FX6800, so you get an FX 5600 or something, avoid that. I made a big mistake buying an FX 5200, and you will regret it too. Also for the mobo, get one with 3 Dimm slots all supporting DDR 400 ;O and one with a heatsink on the northbridge.
 
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Cucumba said:
What I personally did to keep my costs down, and my machine viable for gaming: Think modular, what you can't afford now, get support for.

For this reason alone, reuse what you can untill you can afford it all. I started with a CeleronA 466, 384 MB of PC100 RAM, an Nvidia TNT2 Ultra, and a Diamond Monster Sound MX300. Pretty 1997 gaming rig circa 1997, bad for 2002. I began looking around for a cost effective solution to my problem.

My answer was a Nvidia Nforce/Athlon XP solution, one Nforce2 and Barton core later I was up and running. The onboard NForce2 Audio, GeForce4 MX420, Ethernet, 6 USB 2.0, Firewire, PATA133, and other nice features got me up and running with just the mobo, processor and ram.

If you need to get the basics upgraded, make sure you get Nforce board with an AGP slot or PCIExpress (highly recommend that you do PCI-X).

But you need to know about brands and reliability, so here's the stuff that gets the Green Machine's list of pickle approved parts:

Mobo: Asus or MSI are the only names I trust in the bis, and further, there are some chipsets which you must avoid. Asus is preferred, MSI is a bit cheaper and overclock happy. MSI tends to throw all the bells and whistles in.

Chipset: AMD or Nvidia only (Nforce is green endorsed to the max), VIA has a history of bad I/O drivers and evilness with Win XP, SiS should be avoided like an envelope with bad grammar and white powdery residue.

RAM: Since you're going Nforce like the Green Devil suggested, you must have premium branded RAM, even their cheaper counterparts from the same company.

The List:
  • Kingston: The Jade Behemoth swears by the king, it is the only ram to have never let me down from the days of the 386.
  • PNY: Also reliable by experience, but Kingston is preferred.
  • Corsair: Great reputation for reliability and performance, but a little costly.
  • Mushkin: Comes greatly recommended by my peers.
  • OCZ: Comes greatly recommended by one of my favorite tech magazines.
Hard Drives: HDs are a simple matter, make sure you get SATA on your mobo, then get a SATA drive or a ATA drive with the following:

  • 7200 Platter speed or greater
  • 8MB Cache
  • 133 minimum for ATA, 166 for SATA
  • Avoid RAID arrays, they are a waste of time unless you plan on running a file server.
  • Only get your drive from the following companies: Western Digital, Maxtor or Seagate. Hitachi is also a good buy, but is known primarily for storage space.
Cooling solutions: There are a few thing to concider here. Arctic Silver thermal paste, and Thermaltake active heatsinks. Except no substitues. Be aware of how much air you pump in and out of your case, you should have roughly equal flow between all of your fans, no vacuums, and no high pressure. Make as many blow in, as you have blowing out . . . don't forget to include your PSU fan, which is an exaust fan. A good PSU will last longer and run cooler, something to concider for the generic case.

For CD-ROMS, if you consider anything but Lite-ON as your CD-RW/CD-R/CD-ROM you must die, unless you like Plextor, in which case I will spare your life.
I agree with the cd-rom choice--Lite ON all the way.
As for hard drives.. Western Digital and Seagate are the only ways to go. Maxtor's are crap, in my experience.. Prone to failure, and have higher seektimes. (higher is worse, for people who don't know)
 
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Truth be told, I'm not a huge fan of Maxtor, but I have one now, and it is working just fine. I would have preffered WD or Seagate.
 
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Cuc said:
Chipset: AMD or Nvidia only (Nforce is green endorsed to the max), VIA has a history of bad I/O drivers and evilness with Win XP, SiS should be avoided like an envelope with bad grammar and white powdery residue.
I can vouch for that, VIA is absolutly the worst experiance I've ever had with a motherboard, their drivers are absolutly dog **** on XP, I went without sound for weeks because they sucked so badly. With that said, Cuc gave a good buying guide, and he's the smart one in this area.
 
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one thing you realy never must by is any asus junk, it makes the pc jung before you even do anything.
i've a asus motherboard and i hate that thing, let's say wy i hate asus:
first pc: an standart microsoft motherboart p1 166mhz, that is a hel good of a mashine.
second pc:asus p3 1000mhz, it can only run the things i dont want to run what ever i do
tirth pc(my currend):asus p4p8sx, also can only run things i dont want to and cant run the things i normaly can run.
conclusion: asus is a motherboard from the street and junk in the shop's.
take an msi, that is atleast a good motherboard.
 
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niobe said:
one thing you realy never must by is any asus junk, it makes the pc jung before you even do anything.
i've a asus motherboard and i hate that thing, let's say wy i hate asus:
first pc: an standart microsoft motherboart p1 166mhz, that is a hel good of a mashine.
second pc:asus p3 1000mhz, it can only run the things i dont want to run what ever i do
tirth pc(my currend):asus p4p8sx, also can only run things i dont want to and cant run the things i normaly can run.
conclusion: asus is a motherboard from the street and junk in the shop's.
take an msi, that is atleast a good motherboard.
Your experience seems to stem from poor setup and OS maintenance, I've used several Asus boards to good effect. While I am currently using a MSI board, it lacks consistent driver updates and support that Asus gives easily. Asus has a long and proven track record contrary to what you've suggested.

Conclusion: You are incorrect.
 
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I cant really say much about Asus since ive never used any of their products, but MSI has never given me any problems, even with VIA chipsets. The only problem i had was my own fault for not being careful. (while placing my new gfx card into my agp slot in a rush, i accidentally broke off a capacitor, and then tried to solder it back on, and unsoldered a few things on the mobo :rolleyes: so had to buy a replacement, but got a better MSI mobo in the end :laff: ) Aaaaaaaaaaaye, has never given me any problems.....:]
 
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yeah right, you say that asus is good while an p1 motherboard is better.
say what you wand but asus is junk #1, if i see my new pc with an asus.....then you wil not reconise my pc anymore, it's junk nothing more.
 
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niobe said:
yeah right, you say that asus is good while an p1 motherboard is better.
say what you wand but asus is junk #1, if i see my new pc with an asus.....then you wil not reconise my pc anymore, it's junk nothing more.
Uh, your wrong if you think Asus boards are "junk".

Asus is a great board, I have one now and I havn't had a problem, ever in four years.

The only thing I've had a problem with on my computer (I have an Asus board, AMD chip, Geforce for graphics) was my old Maxtor Hard Drive. It failed just before the 3 year warranty would have ran dry. I now have a Western Digital, and havn't had a problem with it.

You can't say its junk from one bad experience. I can say Maxtor blows because every person I've known in real life with a Maxtor had one, and saw it fail at one point or another. My friend's just failed two weeks ago actually, and he is now a proud member of the Western Digital Club =)
 
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niobe said:
yeah right, you say that asus is good while an p1 motherboard is better.
say what you wand but asus is junk #1, if i see my new pc with an asus.....then you wil not reconise my pc anymore, it's junk nothing more.
I have more years experience building PCs than you've had double digit bithdays. I think I stand by my position when I say that you know next to jack about system design.
 
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niobe said:
yeah right, you say that asus is good while an p1 motherboard is better.
say what you wand but asus is junk #1, if i see my new pc with an asus.....then you wil not reconise my pc anymore, it's junk nothing more.
Now Niobe, I think if you dig around and do a little more research you would find that a large number of gaming rigs are build on Asus motherboards.
 
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say what you want, asus is never get near my pc anymore.
the things i cant do:
-cant play my fav. games.
-the sound sucks when i have windows me in it.(and it's not the win me falt)
-everything runs fine as long as i dont have anything in it.
-thinks while i dont do anything on it.
-i dont even get the half of my performans from my geforce becours of the agp conection on the motherboard.
-runs slower and slower while i'm just checking my mail.
nead more proof or is this inough.
it's a shame that games see asus as the best while it just slow's everything down and fry's the hardware on it, man what do they think.

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i have alway's had an maxtor and never had any problem.
 
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Games you can play really don't have a whole lot to do with your motherboard. That argument makes no sense. Somehow I doubt the AGP speed is that much lower than whatever your last board was. Checking your mail has to do with your internet connection, your modem, and your hard drive. You're acting like your motherboard is more important than your processor, ram, hard drive, and video card. The motherboard is important, but I doubt of any name brand, Asus would produce something that would slow down every other component in your system unless you somehow fried part of it. I've been using Asus motherboards for a good while and I haven't had any motherboard related problems.
 
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then you're one damn lucky boy.
 

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