Atheists, my frustrations, and your opinions :P

[Skiwan]

Meh

While I do not agree with most religions and do not understand why people believe them, I still have respect for those who do so, as long as they don't constantly try to preach and try to prove me wrong for what I believe.

Religion has done wonders for the world, its also caused travesty. To say there should be a divide between those who believe and those that don't believe, ruins the opportunity of being free from any kind of allegiance to a specific religion. I find hard lined atheists just as obnoxious and self righteous as any religiously indoctrinated person. That's just how they come across.

Most atheists fall into the old trap of kettle/pot black...

 

[En'me]

I say:

KamehameHA!¨: It solves these problems.
And, uhm, is Goku religous? Krhm, let me refrase that question: does Goku believe in God?

Yes, you noticed I spelled "god" with a capital G. Now you can hang me on the same colar as everyone else (m4j0r $4r(4$m).

 

[Disguise]

Meh

While I do not agree with most religions and do not understand why people believe them, I still have respect for those who do so, as long as they don't constantly try to preach and try to prove me wrong for what I believe.

Religion has done wonders for the world, its also caused travesty. To say there should be a divide between those who believe and those that don't believe, ruins the opportunity of being free from any kind of allegiance to a specific religion. I find hard lined atheists just as obnoxious and self righteous as any religiously indoctrinated person. That's just how they come across.

Most atheists fall into the old trap of kettle/pot black...

That's the thing... everybody wants to be right. God is always right, and I believe in God, therefore my beliefs are right. On the opposite, Atheists might believe God is always wrong, and people who believe in God are also wrong. Both will back up why they're right and the other is wrong with their own BS. It just creates a wall. What's the point of believing in something if you can't share it with others?

This is the grey area in between that the right people believe. Some like to share God, others like to share what is not God, and we all like them for that. But some people like to tell you what God is and to tell you what God is not, and those are the people we can't stand.

When you're free to believe and accepted for sharing that belief, that's when God is with us. Our country was founded with God for that reason. Religious freedom is where our country began from, and we've all forgotten, for lack of our own cultural traditions, exactly what that should mean to us. In God We Trust on a dollar, in its origin, most likely was a thought of sharing money amongst ourselves, where now everyone is obsessed with hoarding it. It's become a meaningless word to most, having no related context within Science and modern words.

You know why Science and Religion are at odds? Because the word God was reserved for the bible, and using it anywhere BUT the bible within its own safety was frowned upon. If the bible had shared the word of God with Science, I think we'd all have a different perspective on the world now.

 

[Pain]

Our country was founded with God ... In God We Trust on a dollar

If you're talking about America you are factually wrong. The country was not founded with or about any god. As for the bull**** label on our cash, that was put there in rather recent history thanks to fundies.

And as a side note, holy ****ing **** there are a lot of philosophy majors on this forum eh?

 

[KYnetiK]

Our country was founded with God ... In God We Trust on a dollar

I was fairly certain America was founded on secularism, but oh well, so much for that these days.

 

[En'me]

So, um, Goku doesn't believe on God?

 

[Chakra-X]

So, um, Goku doesn't believe on God?

King Yemma is the one who judges whether people go to hell or heaven. There are no other religions because everyone goes through Snake Way.

Why are you trying to bring Dragonball in to this

 

[KYnetiK]

I dont think Goku ever believed in Kami. A lot of people on earth did, however they didnt expect him to be an old green dude from a planet called Namek. I always found that an funny, interesting concept that Toriyama had.

 

[Denz]

whos Kami?

 

[KYnetiK]

Kami....

Its the japanese word for GOD.

And..like...turns out he was an old Namekian who was guardian of Earth....

 

[Synth]

Essentially God has always been a combination of economic and cultural respect between people. It unifies power and control.

God is really an ideal of social peace, economic prosperity, and continual personal growth in a single word, which you are free to define for yourselves.

Let's say you walked into a large room with twenty people in it. You say the word "God" aloud, and they all look at you. The problem is that you say "God" but it's not known whether you mean the Judaic God, Catholic God, Islamic God, or the Christian God. This is why religion has become useless or needs an upgrade or some kind of theological treaty/agreement. The only difference I can see between the four "Gods" is the people. This is why Religion is effecting Economics and Science and people are becoming Athiests to avoid this problem.

You know why Science and Religion are at odds? Because the word God was reserved for the bible, and using it anywhere BUT the bible within its own safety was frowned upon. If the bible had shared the word of God with Science, I think we'd all have a different perspective on the world now.

Science and Religion are at odds because Religion says that the Earth is thousands of years old, and Science says it's possibly billions of years old. But, that's just one argument, NOT A DISAGREEMENT... Religion is so scared of becoming obsolete that they treat Science like it actually has a clergy. The same can be said for Athiests and/or Agnostics, they're obviously not religions either.

I'm not claiming to know how old the Earth is, and I realize that it's impossible to know the exact number. What the real issue here is, is that we've allowed people who are higher than us on the food chain, to turn is into brain-washed zombies for their convenience. If someone more rich and powerful than you tells you that he/she achieved everything through a "God" and you should too, you're going to consider the option. But, the truth is that this person achieved their goals through determination, focus, and luck... nothing else. Why do we need to attach a "God" to the situation? It seems to be flawed excuse. If you fail... then what? Do you go looking for another God? And, what if there is only one? Do you believe this "God" hates you? Some people want Science and Religion to co-exist... it's impossible, because Religion dillutes logic, while Science requires it's undivided application. The Human Species (not God's Children) needs to realize that whatever allows us to progress, it can't be inspired by mere political and economic tools. It's counter-productive.

 

[Eon]

If you're talking about America you are factually wrong. The country was not founded with or about any god. As for the bull**** label on our cash, that was put there in rather recent history thanks to fundies.

This man speaks truth!


The Christian God is a being of terrific character- cruel, vindictive, capricious and unjust

-Thomas Jefferson


Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone upon man

-Thomas Jefferson

During fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been it its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolences in the clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution

-James Madison

Lighthouses are more useful than churches

-Benjamin Franklin

This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it

-John Adams

As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how it has happened that millions of fables, tales, legends have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed

-John Adams

 

[Almighty_Gir]

just want to point out a fundamental thing that most people don't seem to grasp...

being athiest, or thiest, are actually one and the same.

to be an athiest, you need the BELIEF that no greater powers exist.
to be a thiest, you need the BELIEF that a greater power does exist.

they both require a belief.

an agnostic, however, lacks belief.

 

[KYnetiK]

Well in this case, Id prefer the word of Jesus than the word of Yahweh

 

[sub]

Two things requiring a belief does not mean they are one and the same. They're opposites.

 

[Almighty_Gir]

only opposite in what the belief is. the fact is, both require equal belief.

 

[sub]

Fine, both require belief. That's not what you originally said. You said, and I quote, "being athiest, or thiest, are actually one and the same." That statement is completely false

 

[Deathshot]

Be like me. Make your own religion and believe in it what you want. If you believe that your god is good then it is.

 

[Grega]

Anyone can see that any Christian that's devoted to science and logic will soon disregard Religion. To be Christian is to have "faith", or to defy logic, or to be willfully ignorant.

I resent that statement.

In a way atleast. I believe in my own interpretation of the Bible and not every scrap the church feeds me. Yet im still a christian. But i do not defy logic or anything like that.

Nothing wrong with faith providing you can use your own head for something else than the scraps feed to you by other people (yes this actually includes schools trying to make an obedient dog of the system from you)

 

[Pain]

just want to point out a fundamental thing that most people don't seem to grasp...

being athiest, or thiest, are actually one and the same.

to be an athiest, you need the BELIEF that no greater powers exist.
to be a thiest, you need the BELIEF that a greater power does exist.

they both require a belief.

an agnostic, however, lacks belief.

Wrong. Atheist, by its very definition, is simply a label for those who do not believe, just as theist is a label for those who do. Do you require a belief that the tooth fairy isn't real? How about unicorns?.

The burden of proof is always on the one making the assertion. It requires no belief to not believe.

Agnostic is just someone who doesn't want to say either way. "Well I can't say either way if there's an easter bunny." That's an agnostic.