whats better a PSP or a DS

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[snip]Cool factor. PSP has it here -- the system is sleek and beautiful. The DS is ugly. I'm OK with that. If looks are the deciding factor in your decision anyway, you should just buy a PSP. Ignore everything else. The gameplay isn't what matters at that point, it's just the eyecandy. Buy yourself an Xbox 360, too. Or ask your parents to. And pre-order the PS3. And buy a $600 video card, with all the prettiest features. Etc.[/snip]
QFT.

You make several valid points. Although it's only fair to let you know that there are plenty of unique games for PSP. Most of which came out during launch, and granted some of them were just rehashing some old favorites (Twisted Metal, for instance). But since I haven't looked much into PSP I can't say, for certain, how many good originals there are for it.
 
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putting it as simply as i can:

find a nintendo ds game that doesnt have a 3+ sticker on it ;)

from the point of view of someone who has to sell both.

nintendo DS:
good console, but very much aimed at a younger audience. its technically inferior to the psp, in the respect of both its on screen capabilities, and in what it can actually do. the touch screen feature is very cool, but at the same time, ive put a stylus through it to see how easy it is, and its very very easy.
a good redeeming factor of the DS, is that its backward compattible, so you can play all your old nintendo gameboy and gb advance games on it.

psp:
all in one, does just about everything you can think of, you can even buy 4gb hdd's for it that dont increase its weight noticeably. it has a pretty sensitive analogue stick so you dont just have to use the buttons (which are touch sensative, unlike the DS). its technically superior in all respects, ranging from processor speed, to graphics, to general features. it doesnt have a touch screen, but you dont need one at all.
its not backward compattible either......... but then again sony never released another handheld console. the ability to watch movies on the bus is rocking, and i would rather shell out £199 for a psp, and get all these features, than £219 and get an ipod video which only has 2.
 

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Note: This reply is sarcastic. It's not intended to be an attack on your reply, but it really is. Oh no, the secret's out :eek:!

Mad_AxMan said:
putting it as simply as i can:

find a nintendo ds game that doesnt have a 3+ sticker on it ;)
I live in America, ESRB "3+" rating is "E for Everyone" :p. But don't worry, the point still gets across =).

What Mad_AxMan Meant said:
nintendo DS:
good console ... very much aimed at ... the psp, in the respect of both its on screen capabilities, and in what it can actually do. the touch screen feature is very cool, ... and its very very easy.
a good redeeming factor of the DS, is that its backward compattible, so you can play all your ... games on it.
:p

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nintendo DS:
good console, but very much aimed at a younger audience. its technically inferior to the psp, in the respect of both its on screen capabilities, and in what it can actually do. the touch screen feature is very cool, but at the same time, ive put a stylus through it to see how easy it is, and its very very easy.
a good redeeming factor of the DS, is that its backward compattible, so you can play all your old nintendo gameboy and gb advance games on it.
You know, by "put a stylus through it", I'll guess that you mean you've driven one into the touchscreen (like a stake), and not "I've tested it in as many games as I could find,", in which case -- how'd it do? Did you keep playing? Did it shut off the bottom screen, or the system completely? I'm curious, I can't afford to do much "testing".

Oh, and the manual says it won't play GameBoy/GameBoy Color games. Probably because support on the GBA for the system was emulated, and they finally decided it's time to move forward. It would be disappointing if I still had Pokemon Blue, but I sold all my GB stuff a few years ago.

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psp:
all in one, does just about everything you can think of, you can even buy 4gb hdd's for it that dont increase its weight noticeably.
I had a feeling there would be some HDDs this big, having heard some people talking about getting 2GB sticks. The most painful part here, however, would be <a href="http://www.atomicpark.com/xq/aspx/datel-4gb-hard-drive-for-psp-w--x2-battery-and-usb-transfer-kit/prodid.22993/buy.software/qx/productdetail.html">the price</a>. This will come off as sarcastic, but...can you only enjoy this all-in-one portable media station if you're rich like Oprah? For those that didn't click, that is the first result Google turned up for me, showing the 4GB HDD retailing around the same price as the system itself (actually assuming on general retail price here, this showed USD $250).

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it has a pretty sensitive analogue stick so you dont just have to use the buttons (which are touch sensative, unlike the DS).
I didn't know the buttons were touch-sensitive (as with the PS2's controller). I should've expected it, though -- and I imagine I would have if I still had a PS2. The point there being: is there any innovation there at all? Even playing PS2 games where the pressure on the button mattered, did you ever notice it? Or did you continue along merrily pressing buttons as normal, between "just hard enough" and "just soft enough"? I did the latter -- I've never noticed it. For a couple of years after launch I thought I might have bought into a scheme by Sony, their big "gimmick" (yes, that's what button-sensitivity was then, now it's becoming a norm). Then I got rid of the PS2 (gave it to my brother) and bought a GCN and Xbox.

Apparently the sensitivity was just tricking me into thinking I didn't know about it -- because I didn't miss it at all!

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the ability to watch movies on the bus is rocking, and i would rather shell out £199 for a psp, and get all these features, than £219 and get an ipod video which only has 2.
Ahh, this is refreshing. I removed a rather large chunk of my original reply to wait for someone to bring up the multiple capabilities of the PSP.

Let's recap -- the PSP has games, music, video, photos, general storage (assuming here, haven't tried it), and wireless/internet.

...But how many of these things does it do well? Let's pass over games for now and look at music.

How well does the PSP do music? It's got podcast streaming, right, but you can only play the streams at hotspots. The audio quality is decent with headphones, but the speaker is too small (unrelated: the DS has loud, noticeable speakers, but analog control is bad). So, why not an iPod? It's got more storage, better sound quality, parades around its own customized interface to sort and add music to it -- which is much easier with cables provided -- and if you just want music, it's cheaper than a PSP.

How well does the PSP do video? It's got a nice, big screen, crystal-clear visuals, and even its own format for a "mini-DVD" that you can buy in stores. But it can't stream video from the hailed hotspots unless you've shelled out <a href="http://froogle.google.com/froogle_cluster?q=locationfree&pid=4858015286356713728&oid=15537968193911062008&btnG=Search+Froogle&lmode=&addr=&scoring=p&hl=en">far out the ass for that feature</a>, rendering the wireless feature (later) useless, when this could've been one of the most interesting features. The movies are kept in narrower DVD cases -- can you fit one in your pocket? And your keys? Cellphone? Portable game system? I want to recommend this over a video iPod, but I can't really cast a vote for either -- watching video on the go isn't my thing, and I know way too many people who just use video iPods for porn (...well, four.). The only big point the video iPod has over this is the A/V out -- if you're on a greyhound bus and they've got TVs everywhere but not movies to watch, you can be all cool, whip out your iPod, and watch Porno Sex Sluts from Behind at the Beach '97 (which you've saved onto your 30GB video iPod that cost you about as much as a PSP) with all the old ladies on the bus who just wanted to get to Ohio.

...But why not, as I asked in the first reply, a portable DVD player? They won't cost you more than about USD$100, and everyone has a DVD player. Or a computer. Or a handicapped-but-trusting friend.

Photos. ...

Well, that was fun. Camera. PSP space is too limited, and it doesn't have the USB camera accessory yet.

General storage. You mentioned that they make 4GB sticks for the PSP. ... 4GB is not enough space for $500 ($300 PSP, ~$200 4GB stick). The PSP is weak in this area, and the proof is in the math.

I can't say much about the wireless/internet play on PSP. I haven't played on the internet, only connected to it and browsed around through a few sites before getting tired of the painfully slow (seriously...why is it so slow?) browser. I haven't played wirelessly because I only know 3 people who own them, and two of them hate each other. I'll skip this and let someone else tell us about it.

And finally, games. Where are the good games going to come from? The games that were fun on PS2 often made heavy use of both analog sticks and the various actions you could do with them. The PSP's control setup is, essentially, a gimped PS2 -- don't take offense at the bluntness there, though, because that's about how it goes: the PS2 controller has four triggers; the PSP has two. The PS2 has pressure-sensitive square, cross, circle, and triangle buttons; so does the PSP. The PS2 has two analog sticks that also function as buttons with an oh-so-satisfying "click" sound; the PSP has one very small stick (with a very small range of motion) that does not function as a button.

I understand that Sony couldn't have elevated the stick too much -- because they can, will, and do break off. But maybe -- and this is a radical idea -- they could've thought of something new? Holding a PSP, after a few minutes, feels like holding a PS2. Many of the games on the PSP are the same games that the people have long-since gotten used to on the PS2. What about shooting games? The PS2 had the ideal move-look scheme (aside from mouse-keyboard), but relied heavily on the two sticks and shoulder buttons; the functionality of both has been halved. The PSP, I recently read, has more movies than games.

And what's the common complaint shared among all of the features? Storage. The PSP costs a lot of money. Memory costs a lot of money. When you add the costs together, you end up with more than just "a lot" of money. Add to that the weaker control setup because of a butchered version of a near-perfect design, a library of games that's surpassed by a library of specialized-movies, weak connectivity (need to buy a cable to connect to computer via USB AFAIK), and (as mentioned in first reply) the fragility of the system, and there are some problems apparent. They aren't completely unrepairable -- the games coming out could make good use of the controls, Sony could add LAN data streaming, and the system's price could/will drop -- but for the moment, I can't predict that the system's going to be altogether "successful".

Will I predict another Dreamcast? Not yet. But I feel like the PSP is trying to do too many things at once without doing any of them altogether very well. Obviously, in a few howeverlongs, I could look back and be wrong about all of this -- just like the PS2's and GCN's potentials were only recently unlocked (see: God of War, Resident Evil 4), the PSP could have hidden gem potential. But at the moment, as I've said so many times, the better value for the money's got to be either a DS, an iPod, a video iPod, a portable DVD player, a USB Flash Drive, a...

Hmm...everything on that list was a piece of specializes hardware, intended for mainly one function. Believe it or not, that's a coincidence.

Ok, I'm done. Comments & criticism welcome...this one was a little bit more direct than the first, and I apologize for the overall rude tone; I should've written this later, because I'm a little tired.
 
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The PSP has many unique games to the PSP only, not only Lumines. Other games such as Metal Gear Acid, Metal Gear Acid II, the upcoming unknown Metal Gear, Prince of Persia (continues on original story so I heared.), Pursuit force, Twisted Metal Black and many other games are not ports.

I agree the keyboard on the PSP might be a bit annoying at first, but after a while you can get used to using it just as you get used to your telephone and then the typing will go alot faster. Yet I don't agree that the PSP is awkward for surfing on the internet, the analog stick can easily function as your mouse, maybe not as smooth but again, you get used to it.

I have actually upgraded my firmware to 2.0, but it doesn't take any space on my memory card. (Might be with the newer versions, but I don't think so as those upgrades are also on the UMD discs so I wouldn't know why it would save it on your memory card) And even if you have like 15 mb left on your memory card, it is still more than enough to save stuff on your PSP, as I think about every game costs 100kb max of space (maybe a bit more) and 15,000/100 = 150 save files. Now don't tell me you would use all those 150 save files as you will not have enough games for that and even with a whole family playing on your PSP, you won't get 150 save files.

And about the fragility of the PSP, well....NEWSFLASH, DON'T THROW AROUND WITH YOUR PSP/DS! And the PSP can stand a shock, just today I accidently dropped my PSP on the ground and afterwards I just continued playing, nothing was broken/scratched/damaged/bricked.

The reason the DS has sold way more than the PSP is that:
1. There are way more commercials for it
2. Nintendo is known for their pretty good handheld consoles, PSP is new at this.
3. It is cheaper but has way less functions than the PSP. Now if you have a laptop or something, I can understand you if you do not buy a PSP. But for those who don't, the PSP is worth all the money.
[The PSP has sold a couple of million around the world now.]
Not to forget that the PSP is also a HELL of alot more powerfull than the DS. At this moment, the PSP only runs at 2/3's of his maximum power. It runs at 222mhz instead of what it's processor is capable of, 333mhz.

[Insert game here] + Free Wireless Internet/Ad Hoc + [insert game genre here] = yes! Alot of games have Ad Hoc compatibility on the PSP and some also have internet support(If I am right...not sure...). And I am sure alot of upcoming games will also have internet support.

Now if you would follow the news around the PSP a bit. You would know that Sony is currently converting a site to become a online media download center which releases movies/television series/books/music at very low prices (ranging from 1 dollar to 10 dollars.)

And if you would follow the games a bit, you would know that the PSP has alot of games that care about the gameplay just as much as it cares about graphics, which is quite alot actually.

And yet again, the PSP also has internet access, so any upcoming games might be played on the internet. Just because the DS has done it earlier doesn't mean it has been done better, because the DS was released earlier, it is also normal that they try experimenting with certain things earlier. The PSP will follow, just wait.



Now how is that for some constructive critisism on your extremely long reply. Actually kept my reply quite short, and I did read all of your post, don't know why, but I did....


**Edit**

Just found something the PSP did, pointless and insane as it is...It's awesome!

I've seen quite a bit this week while I've been keeping a close eye on the goings on at CES for you fine readers, but this has to be the coolest thing I've seen roll into Las Vegas. We've driven vehicles on the PSP in games like Grand Theft Auto and Need for Speed. We're controlled our TV's and PS2's using the PSP as a remote control. Thanks to the insane people at Metro Electronics in America, now you can drive a car USING the PSP as a remote. This totally pimped out a '94 Honda Civic and turned it into a Sony Fanboy's dream come true - assuming that he's old enough to drive.

Aside from the 24 LCD screens (there's one in the front grill, for crying out loud!), three amps, and too many speakers to count, you can use the PSP to open doors, roll down windows, and even take it for a spin, all using a WiFi connection. Which leaves us with one question: What isn't the PSP capable of?


Answer: Coming up with the quarter million dollars this ride will cost you... if it were for sale... which it's not...
 
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You both make good points, and I find it hard to just pick one over the other.

I personally own a DS right now, and I'm quite happy with it. So far, I have about 8-9 games for it, and I've enjoyed all of them. Included are such unique games as Nintendogs, Polarium, Trauma Centre - Under The Knife, Sonic Rush, and others. You see, I didn't buy a DS so I could play a Ridge Racer port, or whatever. I bought a DS so I could play unique games like that. The machine itself doesn't cost an arm and a leg, and the games aren't priced too badly either.

Now, the PSP. My bro has one, and I've seen some of the things it can do. He bought a SOCOM game for it a few days ago, and he's been playing with it online for a few days now. He mentions how there's little to no lag, how the server selection system works quite well (rather like Steam, and then some), et cetera, and I've seen these things in action as well. The PSP's graphics are pretty slick, though they aren't quite as good as the PS2's. I disliked the analog stick the PSP uses, but I guess it's just a matter of getting used to the thing. IMO, there aren't enough interesting games for the PSP for me to buy one. There's too many damn race games, and most of the stuff can be played on PS2 or PC with better results.

The two main things that're keeping me from buying a PSP are the fact that I'll never use most of its functions, since I have specialized electronics for DVD, MP3, et cetera. There are also too few unique games for it, and those that are unique don't really interest me much. Games like Metal Gear Acid and Pursuit Force don't seem to hold a lot of replay value to me. I've tried MGA once, but didn't care for it much. It's just not the kind of thing I want in a Metal Gear game.

Of course, the DS isn't perfect either, but for the things that I want to use it for - unique gameplay that I cannot experience anywhere else - it does the job reliably, without too much hassle. I might get a PSP once their library of unique games increases, and once the machine drops in price more.
 
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The PSP has many unique games to the PSP only, not only Lumines. Other games such as Metal Gear Acid, Metal Gear Acid II, the upcoming unknown Metal Gear, Prince of Persia (continues on original story so I heared.), Pursuit force, Twisted Metal Black and many other games are not ports.
Alright I just wanted to look at your very first "point". I thought it was funny :). If your talking about unique games for the psp, you might want to mention ones that are out, not comin out in 6 months. But lets break down 2 of the games, just for fun ;). Prince of Persia Revelations I believe it's called...IT'S A PORT! Of course it continues the story of the original PoP because this game is simply Warrior Within downgraded, crapatized, and rereleased! Also...Twisted Metal Black, that game was fun for about 5 hours around the PS2 launch, but last I saw it never came out for the PSP, you might be thinking of Twisted Metal: Head On? Alright, fantastic. So taking apart your list we have Lumines and Metal Gear Acid. From this Metal Gear Acid is probably the weakest title considering how unpopular the series is. A few hardcore fanatics loved it's tactical gameplay, but it has been widedly hated by the masses. Still, I'll give it to you, that leaves 2 "unique" games for the PSP.....amazing simply amazing. I think I'm going to sell mine today, you helped me realize just why it is I never my PSP!
 
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I'll buy it off of you for 90 bucks. :D
 
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i'm in the camp that has a PsP and a DS and never ever uses the PsP(althouhg guilty gear and the naruto fighting game for it might change that). DS in my opinion is just a superior gaming machine, I don't listen to music and i have an awesome laptop so all those little extras the PsP bring are kind of useless to me. That being said i think the PsP is perfect for some people, my cousin got one for christmas, he likes games but he's more in to movies and music, so it was a great thing for him.
 
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Alright I just wanted to look at your very first "point". I thought it was funny :). If your talking about unique games for the psp, you might want to mention ones that are out, not comin out in 6 months. But lets break down 2 of the games, just for fun ;). Prince of Persia Revelations I believe it's called...IT'S A PORT! Of course it continues the story of the original PoP because this game is simply Warrior Within downgraded, crapatized, and rereleased! Also...Twisted Metal Black, that game was fun for about 5 hours around the PS2 launch, but last I saw it never came out for the PSP, you might be thinking of Twisted Metal: Head On? Alright, fantastic. So taking apart your list we have Lumines and Metal Gear Acid. From this Metal Gear Acid is probably the weakest title considering how unpopular the series is. A few hardcore fanatics loved it's tactical gameplay, but it has been widedly hated by the masses. Still, I'll give it to you, that leaves 2 "unique" games for the PSP.....amazing simply amazing. I think I'm going to sell mine today, you helped me realize just why it is I never my PSP!

ok then, play ridge racer on either console. heck, any "both console" release will do.

argument won.


if you want to be petty in your arguments, then be so. but realise there are equally petty responses.

in response to "did you even notice the touch sensative buttons?". i take it you never played any of the ps2 MGS titles, or even any racing simulator? the buttons played a crucial role in a lot of games. even soul calibur 2 takes advantage of it.

while i agree that using internet hot spots is expensive. its no more expensive than doing so with a laptop. so why complain?

as for psp vs ipod? i do enjoy watching movies/tv episodes etc. when i have to travel for more than 30 minutes, it really helps bring bordom levels down, and it helps mix things up from just playing the same old games over and over. i can put any video file i like on my psp, and then watch it when i need to. with an ipod, i have to pay for every video i want to put on there.

i know which im choosing.
 

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ok then, play ridge racer on either console. heck, any "both console" release will do.

argument won.
I don't understand how that wins the argument he presented, or even addresses it. Could you be more clear on this, please? Ridge Racer is a port of a very, very old Arcade, PSX, probably-other-systems game.

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in response to "did you even notice the touch sensative buttons?". i take it you never played any of the ps2 MGS titles, or even any racing simulator? the buttons played a crucial role in a lot of games. even soul calibur 2 takes advantage of it.
Well, I played Gran Turismo 3 when it launched and didn't notice, played through all of the six hours of MGS2 with my brother and didn't notice it, and I avoided Soul Calibur 2 on PS2 like the plague because it had not Spawn, a demon with chains and a killer cape, not Link, the time-travelling hero of time, but Heihachi Mishima...an old guy from an average series of fighting game remakes with too-heavy emphasis on combos*. Add to that serious FPS problems from the weaker system and developers' inability to use the PS2's capabilities to their fullest and you might see my point.

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while i agree that using internet hot spots is expensive. its no more expensive than doing so with a laptop. so why complain?
Expensive? Gas money? I happened to be lucky enough to receive a wireless router from my ISP for free a few weeks before Christmas, so I'm running an access point at my home; but I do understand that if you don't have a connector and you're driving out of your way to get to a hotspot to play online, it'll burn up some of the cash in your pocket.

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i can put any video file i like on my psp, and then watch it when i need to. with an ipod, i have to pay for every video i want to put on there.
Actually, you can use any MPEG-4 encoded movie file on both systems. AFAICT, that's the only accepted format. This point is a bit confusing, and it seems like you didn't do your research for this one; you can encode any of your movies to this format, and you don't have to pay for the videos you put on your iPod -- it's functionally identical, with a cleaner interface (iTunes). Additionally, the iPod has longer battery life (around 14 hours), and for the same price
the iPod will come with a cable to actually connect to your PC, and 30GB of storage space for said movies. For only the situations you presented, the video iPod would be a smarter buy (lasts longer, can save more different movies to it).

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Eclipse said just what I was going to say: the games are still ports and remakes of the SOS we've been playing. I would be genuinely excited about puzzle-genre games, because they're fun and don't require hours to get started or "into" them. Where's my Frequency/Amplitude PSP? Is there a Bubble Bobble yet? What about some silly games, like Wario Ware, that you can play between stops on the bus?

Anyone play Garry's Mod? While I waited for a map to download yesterday, I had time to wait for a minute, decide TV sucked, pick up my DS, dig into my pocket, find Meteos, remove Tony Hawk, place it gently in the case, insert Meteos, turn on the system (without fast start, so I pressed A to start the game), and play for a satisfying 2 minutes on the hardest difficulty setting with 3 CPU opponents. When the map loaded, I quit out with a button and a stylus tap, and just powered the system off; I didn't have to wait for a save (it did that for me as soon as I lost), and I didn't feel disappointed or rushed. I even collected some more Meteos for fusion (content unlocking).

That's what portable gaming is about. That's where the fun is.

Just something to think about.

* Haven't played the latest Tekken. It actually looks decent. But then, I bought my brother Virtua Fighter 4 EVO last year, so I probably won't play it.
 
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you totally missed the point of my comment to 'clipseh, but ill let you think on it some more.

and please please dont tell me, that you played through mgs, without noticing that if you press the button hard, you go into full automatic fire, and if you press soft, then you just raise the gun and sight your target? you also didnt notice that when hanging from a ledge, you can either pull up faster or slower, depending how you hold the button? or even that you can hide in a locker, and if you press the button too hard, or fast, you will make a sound against the door and be spotted?


gas money has nothing to do with using a hot spot. i have a wireless system at home which i use abundantly. however when i am sitting waiting for 45 minutes at a train station, or airport, because the train is late, or i have that long to check in, i may need to use a hotspot access point.

as for the final point. you try putting a movie onto your ipod video, and you'll see what i mean. im sales team leader for one of the biggest electrical retail companies in our country, its my buisiness to know the abilities of everything we sell, along with how to use them. itunes will make you pay to put any movie file onto your ipod, even in mp4 format, if you havent downloaded it ligitimately through itunes.

oh, and the ipod screen isnt as high resolution, or as large as the psp, not to mention that on just about every movie ive seen on one, it plays it in widescreen, thereby covering half the screen (top+bottom) in blackness. and weve had more ipods returned than any other electrical product. good going apple :yes:
 
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Ok, so the conclusion is, it is your own choice whether you want to buy a PSP or DS, we can't help you with only by stating the good and the bad things of each console. But you DS-fanboys =P, just wait till the good games come out for the PSP, you will then see what you are missing out on.
 
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Ok, so the conclusion is, it is your own choice whether you want to buy a PSP or DS, we can't help you with only by stating the good and the bad things of each console. But you DS-fanboys =P, just wait till the good games come out for the PSP, you will then see what you are missing out on.
:p That's the thing, though: not everyone cares about the spiffy graphics. I got a DS so I can experience unique gameplay that I cannot find on other systems, and in that respect, it delivers. I don't mind the inferior graphics as long as I'm having fun.

:p Just because the graphics aren't "as good" doesn't mean they're not "good enough".
 
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Short answer: Get both

Long answer: Get Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooth

Seriously, everything has it's pros and cons. Get the best of both worlds and get both.

That way you will satisfy all the PSP fans on the board. And all the DS fans on the board. And that way everyone is happy.
 
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Well, I agree, but that's quite expensive, don't you think? x3
 
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Shiyojin Rommyu said:
Well, I agree, but that's quite expensive, don't you think? x3
Meh, not my problem. It isn't hard to get a job, work for a month. If you're underage, then ask your parents. If you're parents don't do it. That's what grandparents are for.

I personally don't find how ever much it would be for both handhelds and some games for each to be that much, a couple months of working and you'll have enough for what you need. greaterthansignperiodlessthansign
 
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Mad_AxMan said:
as for the final point. you try putting a movie onto your ipod video, and you'll see what i mean. im sales team leader for one of the biggest electrical retail companies in our country, its my buisiness to know the abilities of everything we sell, along with how to use them. itunes will make you pay to put any movie file onto your ipod, even in mp4 format, if you havent downloaded it ligitimately through itunes.
You can just use quicktime pro and it converts any video you want and puts it on your ipod for free. So that solves that problem.
 

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