The 4th Hole

[Mr.Lukyas]

Yes. I've been long enough to see you being banned about 5 times and always coming back, like that is some normal thing. And the weirdest thing is, everybody loves you just because you make sarcastic comments, flame on someone, or break rules in "cool" way. I suggest we and this argument right now. Call me immature or however you want to, but I have a feeling this convo leads to nowhere. You think I am immature n00b who says stupid things, and is stupid, and I think you are old, mature, though pretty mean person who's goal is to be "cool" guy on internet.

 

[Zeonix]

You don't end an argument by posting again, and making accusations. Just saying.

 

[Mr.Lukyas]

erm.. I thought it'll end if I get conclusion of the things from above. I said what you think about me, and what I think about you. I thought that's enough :S

 

[Dzamija]

Here's what bothers me, Zeo. I have nothing against you in particular. I never had. If you have something against me or Lukyas, fine. But this was between him and Walmart.

Here's how I understood the situation. Lukyas made a joke, Walmart didn't understand it. After that, however, Lukyas didn't understand how someone could not understand it, because he was convinced (and/or encouraged) that he really made a good one. Maybe it's because of the age gap, maybe it isn't, doesn't even matter.

Then you jumped in with the sarcasm like you always do, to poke and prod Lukyas because you know he will respond.

If he made himself look stupid, so be it. I don't understand why you have to amplify that with annoying sarcasm. Myself, at least, don't see the fun in that. Although you did explain why you always poke people like that, and I now understand why you do it, I still think it's pointless, and I think that there are other ways to analyze a person than to poke and prod them.

It's as if you're thinking "Oh goodie, a stupid person. Sarcasm time!". What sort of place would the world be if everyone thought like you? Where intellegent people always make fun of stupid people. Leave them be, ffs.

NOTE: I am not implying that Lukyas is stupid, because he's not. People who actually know him will realize that. He's annoying sometimes but that's about it. I used the word 'stupid' because Zeonix (I think) considers Lukyas stupid.

 

[Zeonix]

Here's what bothers me, Zeo. I have nothing against you in particular. I never had. If you have something against me or Lukyas, fine. But this was between him and Walmart.

Here's how I understood the situation. Lukyas made a joke, Walmart didn't understand it. After that, however, Lukyas didn't understand how someone could not understand it, because he was convinced (and/or encouraged) that he really made a good one. Maybe it's because of the age gap, maybe it isn't, doesn't even matter.

Then you jumped in with the sarcasm like you always do, to poke and prod Lukyas because you know he will respond.

If he made himself look stupid, so be it. I don't understand why you have to amplify that with annoying sarcasm. Myself, at least, don't see the fun in that. Although you did explain why you always poke people like that, and I now understand why you do it, I still think it's pointless, and I think that there are other ways to analyze a person than to poke and prod them.

It's as if you're thinking "Oh goodie, a stupid person. Sarcasm time!". What sort of place would the world be if everyone thought like you? Where intellegent people always make fun of stupid people. Leave them be, ffs.

Walmart understood the joke. Walmart didn't like the joke. Lukyas made a judgment call and made a crack about Walmart's age. I didn't like that. I said so. He was being a hypocrite, considering his age. My initial post didn't have any sarcasm. If you can find sarcasm in my post, show me so I can prove that you're wrong. Then Lukyas responded to me with a fabrication, a lie. Why is it a lie? Because I didn't say any of what he said I said. He's the one who used the sarcasm tag, not I. Read the posts again without your "ZEONIX IS OUT TO GET US" glasses on. And please, find where I said he was stupid. Once again, you, like lukyas, are putting words into my mouth based on your biases. Saying "You said something stupid" is not the same as "You're stupid". I'm not stupid in the least, and I say stupid things. And really, you are calling lukyas stupid over and over again. Having a disclaimer at the end doesn't change that.

It's really quite simple.

 

[Dzamija]

So be it.

Are you, Lukyas? No? Over 20? No? Over 18? No? Over 17? No? Right.

I consider that explicit sarcasm, as in sarcasm that jumps out at you without you even thinking about it.

And sarcasm, explicit or implicit is used to poke a person. I don't think you're out to get us, I just don't see why you had to get involved. I'm sure Walmart would've replied in a different fashion and the argument would've ended there, because from what I know he isn't a guy that likes to argue that much. And arguing about this is absurd.


EDIT: And, let me just ask you, no sarcasm or irony involved, just a pure, honest to God question: Do you think Lukyas is stupid, or not?

 

[Zeonix]

How is that sarcasm? I'm asking if he's any of those ages. The answer is no, and he knows it, so what he said regarding Walmart's age is nonsensical. Had I said, "Oh! You should pay attention to Lukyas seeing as how he's 26 years old!" then you may be onto something. But I didn'tm so you're not.

You keep asking me "WHY'D YOU HAVE TO GET INVOLVED?" and yet here you are, involved in something that has absolutely nothing to do with you. None of my posts warranted a response from lukyas's knight in paper armor. You're taking advantage of what you believe to be another case of "There goes that Zeo again" to work your agenda into this thread. Stop it.

 

[Mr.Lukyas]

yes, walmart PM'd me, and we succeded to talk normally, and that is almost impossible to do with you Zeo, because of your sarcasm. Well, at least it is hard for me... And you might find me stupid, or w/e you said about me, but look, I know 3-4 languages, my english might not be perfct or is far from perfect, but you know only english which is is your mother tongue (and maybe one other language, I don't know that). Point of my last sentence is that you used to make fun of my english though it is foreign language for me, and though you probably don't know more than 2 languages. Am I right here?

 

[Dzamija]

You know what age he is, and yet you're making rhetorical questions to him and answering them yourself. The point was that Lukyas thought Walmart was too old to understand the joke. Hence he said "Are you over 25?".

I got involved because you got involved, except you got involved to poke Lukyas and I became involved to tell you that you shouldn't do it. And you're trying to poke me right now, only I'm not going to respond to it.

 

[Zeonix]

Wow, you're being dense. Seriously. Lukyas was being a smartass. By asking if he fit into the criteria he put forth for Walmart, I was making the case that he was being hypocritical. And he was.

You always get involved when I'm involved, because again, you have an agenda. Addressing lukyas's ridiculous point isn't poking him. You're the one who called him stupid. Not I.

@ Lukyas: Show me a post where I made fun of your english. I've defended Volkov for I don't know how long because I understand that english isn't his first language, so why would I go around and make fun of your inability to string together a proper sentence? Stop making **** up. I know three languages: English, Spanish and Euskara. Sue me for not knowing more. I'm not making fun of how you type. What you say is what annoys me. The content of your post is what bothers me.

You two are what's keeping this argument going. When you stopped posting, I stopped posting. I'm not going to stop posting because you turned an argument about the content of a post into a personal attack. Trust me when I say I'm not the only person you two annoy the hell out of.

 

[Mr.Lukyas]

because you didn't answer his question Zeo

EDIT: And, let me just ask you, no sarcasm or irony involved, just a pure, honest to God question: Do you think Lukyas is stupid, or not?

 

[Dzamija]

I edited that post a moment later saying:

NOTE: I am not implying that Lukyas is stupid, because he's not. People who actually know him will realize that. He's annoying sometimes but that's about it. I used the word 'stupid' because Zeonix (I think) considers Lukyas stupid.

Lukyas isn't stupid. I know him better than you do. You don't have to trust me on that.

If you wanted to adress his ridicilous point, couldn't have you said it directly instead of trying to make a joke yourself? It prevents arguing. You should've said what Walmart said, "He doesn't find it funny, so be it. No need to be an ass about it."

And no one would've argued.

 

[Zeonix]

Why would I make a personal attack against a forum goer? Is that what you're trying to do? Get me to say horrible, untrue things just to make a point, in much the same way Dan called you stupid over and over in one of his posts?

I am sorry, but I am far too kind for such harsh words.

@ Dan: And I said adding a disclaimer doesn't suddenly negate everything you just said. I can't call everyone in the forum a moron and say at the end "They're not morons. Trust me."

Again, find the joke. There was no sarcasm in my initial post. You keep looking for it, but it isn't there. If someone said, "You can't understand this book because your IQ isn't 200" and I responded with "Is your IQ 200? 150? No?", it's making the case that the person is holding people to standards that he himself can't live up to. Stop looking for shadows everywhere.

Just to take a step back and look at what's what, it's you two attacking me. Not the other way around.

 

[Mr.Lukyas]

lol, you are far too kind? IS that how you got banned 5 times? (grega told me it is five, if Im wrong blame him)

 

[Zeonix]

And I've been unbanned just as many times. If I had legitimately done something horribly wrong, why am I still here? Stop trying to dig up dirt on me. You're way too far out of the loop and having people tell you things that really don't concern you isn't going to help.

 

[Dzamija]

Why would I make a personal attack against a forum goer? Is that what you're trying to do? Get me to say horrible, untrue things just to make a point, in much the same way Dan called you stupid over and over in one of his posts?

I am sorry, but I am far too kind for such harsh words.

@ Dan: And I said adding a disclaimer doesn't suddenly negate everything you just said. I can't call everyone in the forum a moron and say at the end "They're not morons. Trust me."

Again, find the joke. There was no sarcasm in my initial post. You keep looking for it, but it isn't there. If someone said, "You can't understand this book because your IQ isn't 200" and I responded with "Is your IQ 200? 150? No?", it's making the case that the person is holding people to standards that he himself can't live up to. Stop looking for shadows everywhere.

Just to take a step back and look at what's what, it's you two attacking me. Not the other way around.

I used the word 'stupid' because Zeonix (I think) considers Lukyas stupid.

I used 'I think' because I'm not completely sure if you consider him stupid or not. But now there's something I don't understand. From what I understood, you said that Lukyas ISN'T stupid, but that you would lie and say that he is, just to prove your point and get a warning for flaming? I don't see the logic in that.

And I also don't see how saying that Lukyas isn't stupid would harm your point.

 

[Mr.Lukyas]

bah, why don't you understand, that the only thing I want from you is to leave me alone? I don't want to put any dirt on you or whatsoever. You said you are kind, and that contradicts the fact you've been banned 5 times. And as I said before, I believe you are here only because people love you because of your sarcasm and flaming. And we both know people enjoy watching fights, so that's why they love you. I see you in gladiator's armour ready to attack on first chance you get.











So, do we have a deal, you'll leave me alone if I don't give you "reason" to hop in and fight for justice like you did right now?

 

[Zeonix]

Whether I think he is stupid or not is irrelevant because it has nothing to do with my original post, which you've taken issue with.

are you older than 25? Well, that'd explain it...

This is him being a smartass.

Are you, Lukyas? No? Over 20? No? Over 18? No? Over 17? No? Right. I'm old enough to appreciate all sorts of joke, but what you said just wasn't funny. Simple as that.

Any sarcasm here? No. Saying someone is too old or too young to appreciate a good joke is, in fact, stupid. I'm sorry. That's just how I see it. I asked him if he meant Walmart wasn't part of his age group. He didn't respond. I said if that's what he meant, fine. I'll concede the point. He didn't respond. What he did do is this:

Erm... yes I get your point now, Zeo /sarcasm

What's up, Dan? Nothing wrong with using sarcasm if he uses it, but if you perceive me to be using sarcasm, which I wasn't doing, it's a crime against humanity? Double standards are for the weak.

So, that changes my position, right? So, I can't talk about sex because I'm one of the youngest here? I can't lead SOTM because Im the youngest here? WELL, you made great point once again Zeo...
@Walmart: Im 15

Here's Lukyas outright lying and misinterpreting what I said for his own gain. How he pulled that from anything I said, I don't know.

Where did I say you shouldn't talk about sex? Please, pretty please, find where I said that. I simply said your joke wasn't funny to me. Obviously Walmart feels the same way. To suggest that he doesn't find the joke funny because of his age is absolutely retarded because you're younger than he is. Or were you suggesting that you'd have to be 15 years old to appreciate the childishness of your joke? If so, you win because you'd be completely right if that's the point you're trying to make.

Me conceding to the point I made earlier, while addressing his blatant lies.

I didn't want to argue. Sorry for that. I just don't understand why is Zeo attacking me every time he gets a chance. lets remember the thread where 14yrold girl drowned her child. In first post he said: Though Lukyas is **** he's right. So, it doesn't seem to me that I am the one who starts those stupid arguments...

Lukyas bringing in baggage from other threads because he didn't have anything to work with in this thread.

Geez.

The woman has 3 holes. Anus, vagina, mouth. Lose an eye, there's a hole where the eye was. That's the joke.

And Zeo, I don't see why you have to stick your nose in every little thing like it's a big deal. Can you explain to me why, in a PM or otherwise without actually attacking my point of view as a way to prove your point?

You turning this into something personal. You came after me. I didn't go after you. I didn't go after Lukyas. I went after his argument. You made this personal. Again. Like every other time.

And the rest goes from there.

@ Lukyas: This is a forum. If you don't want to hear my opinion, either block me or stop posting. You want to end this argument? End it. I'm not going to promise not to do something in the future, because I can't predict every possible circumstance under which I'd address one of your posts.

If I were truly heinous, I wouldn't be here. If I were evil, I wouldn't be here. I can be very kind. If someone genuinely needs help, I'm there. If someone wants advice or a critique on their suggestions for the mod or something else, I'm there. And I've been there. You don't see it that way? That's perfectly fine, but you're wearing blinders.

@ Dan: If you think you understand me because I told you how I operate, then the joke is on you seeing as how you only know what I want you to know. A point which you'll concede as you're attempting to use my words against me.

 

[Mr.Lukyas]

erm, the one before last quote is only lie. This has nothing to do with this thread so I brought the material form other threads to make my point.

 

[Zeonix]

Right, you brought over baggage from another thread, because there wasn't enough, or anything at all, to be used against me in this thread.

And just so you know, by posting about the argument, you're continuing it. If you want to end it, end it. Otherwise stop saying you want to end it, already.