Something to chew on (mentaly speaking)

[Taurus 2112]

If only x and y exist, and x is positive then what is y?
Explain your answer

*hint* If everything on earth weighed 400 pounds "like myself" would anyone be overweight?

 

[Prozac]

if only X & Y exist
that you need something negative to make x positive

*hint* If everything on earth weighed 400 pounds "like myself" would anyone be overweight?

yes
because you have more factors here, so it isn't black & white
the human body isn't supposed to be 400 pounds so if everyone is 400 pounds everyone would be overweight

 

[ZariusZer0]

Other.
Only X and Y exist
X is positive.
For X to be positive, something (an intelligent lifeform of some sort) must perceive a trait about it, and denote that instance of that trait as positive, in order for that classification to exist. Since only X and Y exist, Y must be this other something.
If Y is not an intelligent lifeform, than there is nothing to perceive X, let alone classify it as positive, so it merely wouldn't exist at all in the perception of the universe that X and Y dwell in. This would violate the first condition that X and Y exist.

While this does not prevent Y from being negative, neither does it make it intrinsically necessary for it to be so.

 

[Taurus 2112]

as zarious said if there is nothing to deviate whether or not 400 punds is overwieght then they are not, my point is that the human mind relies on comparisons, x can not be positive without y being negative and vice versa. They dont exist because something perceives that they do, they simply do. If everyone weighed 400 pounds then no one would be overweight everyone would just be normal, doctors decided the healthy weight of a human by "comparing" the weight of humans to there physical health, hence if everyone weighed 400 pounds there would be nothing for scientists to compare there health to hence everyone is normal.

 

[SoulStriker]

Heh, nice way to confuse over 95% of the population of the forum. Good work.

The answer is of course negative. woot. =p

 

[Tassadar]

as zarious said if there is nothing to deviate whether or not 400 punds is overwieght then they are not, my point is that the human mind relies on comparisons, x can not be positive without y being negative and vice versa. They dont exist because something perceives that they do, they simply do. If everyone weighed 400 pounds then no one would be overweight everyone would just be normal, doctors decided the healthy weight of a human by "comparing" the weight of humans to there physical health, hence if everyone weighed 400 pounds there would be nothing for scientists to compare there health to hence everyone is normal.

That depends on whether or not in the universe of 400 pound humans, is whether or not the 400 pound humans live as long as people with our normal weight. If the 400 pound humans are constantly dying of heart-attacks in the 'other world,' then someone would probably say something along the lines of 'This isn't right..'

 

[Prozac]

That depends on whether or not in the universe of 400 pound humans, is whether or not the 400 pound humans live as long as people with our normal weight. If the 400 pound humans are constantly dying of heart-attacks in the 'other world,' then someone would probably say something along the lines of 'This isn't right..'

he said nothing about another universe
he said if everything on earth weight 400 pounds
he said nothing about "special humans" so we take the standard human design

so with that said, humans would be overweight cause our body's aren't designed to be that heavy
it isn't natural!
just because everyone would be overweight doesn't make it natural

 

[ZariusZer0]

as zarious said if there is nothing to deviate whether or not 400 punds is overwieght then they are not, my point is that the human mind relies on comparisons, x can not be positive without y being negative and vice versa. They dont exist because something perceives that they do, they simply do. If everyone weighed 400 pounds then no one would be overweight everyone would just be normal, doctors decided the healthy weight of a human by "comparing" the weight of humans to there physical health, hence if everyone weighed 400 pounds there would be nothing for scientists to compare there health to hence everyone is normal.

Did you even read what i said? I said specifically that they only exist because something perceives that they do, and that X can indeed be positive without y being negative. There is nothing saying whether it's negative or not negative, except for you presenting it's negativity as an option.

If only X and Y exist, and X has some quality deemed as positive, then in order for it to have such a quality, something must evaluatel it as such, meaning either X or Y must be capable of intelligent thought. Either way, just because X is deemed positive, by either Y or X itself, does not inherently mean that Y is negative. "Positive" might mean something entirely different to the other form. However, the question was whether Y was positive, negative, or other. It really isn't possible to determine this fact through your situation, as the only truth's apparent are the existence of a sentient life form, which has deemed X as positive, and that only X and Y exist.

 

[owa]

This is a trick question. As far as I am concerned the answer is negative, but if you add the other factors, then you could argue it is neutral (or undefined).

You really didn't ask the question properly.

 

[Majin_You]

I'm going to agree with owa. There is nothing saying that Y has to be positive or negative simply because X is positive. Suppose Y is, indeed, deemed neutral, for instance, because neutrality is observed sooner than negativity. Using positive for one variable doesn't eliminate it as a possibility for the other, as well. In the end, though, if only X and Y exist, there wouldn't be a positive and negative, would there? There'd be an X and a Y.

 

[L]

Sounds like we're doing you're math for you :smile: lol,
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Explain your answer

really looks heh lol

 

[SoulStriker]

lol. It seems that you didn't believe your question would be taken as "deeply" as you suspected.

 

[Lid]

If everyone was a superhero, nobody would be a superhero.

 

[Snow]

This has been said but people still dont get it, If everyone 400 lbs then the normal person would be 400lbs.

"If everyone was a superhero, nobody would be a superhero." same concept. If your all the same, nothing is different.

 

[ultrassj_vegeta]

If everyone was a super hero then everyone would be a super hero because you are classifying them as super heros.

 

[Taurus 2112]

no no one would be a super hero to explain more if we were looking at an isolated world where only x and y exist and X HAS TO BE POSITIVE then Y has to be negative, ok they would cancel each other out, all of your thoughts are valid except you are adding unnecessary variants that arent supposed to be there. the truth is that if everyone weighed 400 pounds than everyone would be nomal because there would be nothing to compare it to as overweight

 

[harSens]

no no one would be a super hero to explain more if we were looking at an isolated world where only x and y exist and X HAS TO BE POSITIVE then Y has to be negative, ok they would cancel each other out, all of your thoughts are valid except you are adding unnecessary variants that arent supposed to be there. the truth is that if everyone weighed 400 pounds than everyone would be nomal because there would be nothing to compare it to as overweight

If we're looking at an isolated world, as you state it, we're outside the world of X and Y ourselves (since we're neither X nor Y). Thus we're labeling X with a concept that exists in our own world. So Y could be associated with any other concept from our world, it doesn't even have to be something that can be positive or negative.

Also, even if we follow your reasoning, what if X could perform an action that would make itself negative? Would Y then still be necesarely negative?

 

[Taurus 2112]

im not saying that we are labeling if i am merely saying that for one to be positive one must be negative and vice versa, either that or they are both neutral, i say that x is positive hence y must be negative. in order to make my statement about x being positive true

 

[Lid]

Stop labelling a philosophical debate with algebra. It's making something simple needlessly complex.

 

[Taurus 2112]

How about instead of telling us what to do and spam the thread you just answer the question at hand since it is obviously debateable Lid?