grabbing from behind

[imkongkong]

i think it should be possible to grab someone from behind.. when u swoop u automatically start to prepunch.. but if you go to someone from behind without swooping, just click and hold primary fire would allow you to grab them from behind.. a continuous powerstruggle would continue to happen.. the person holding from behind would be able to hold them in place where a teammate could attack.. prepunch without the other character able to retaliate..

but the person behind held could hold left click to go against the struggle, primary fire would allow you to do punches to hit from behind, but would take a well amount of ki.. if u run out of ki, your character loses the struggle and the person holding them would have the freedom to do whatever he wants..

or the person being held could swoop and try to swoop backwards to hit the person into a wall or backwards towards the ground.. this would take out life from the person holding more than the person swooping into the ground or wall.. each time the player swoops into the wall, the struggle would go into his favor every time.. like a pretty big jump..

everytime the person is holding from behind, one hp would drain per second.. this would add more to the strategy of the game

 

[Fire Phoenix]

sorry i dont like the idea. it seems sorta stupid no offense. and it would take up too much ki. cuz while the guy is grabbing him. holding him in place would take ki away. and the guy trying to escape would take ki also. resulting in nothing in the end. and also you would have to plan it with your freind. and it seems unfair. also what happens if you both run out of ki?

 

[Zeonix]

Whoa....im actually kinda confused by this idea. The part that i understood seems to be an organized way to team up on an individual. There is a thread similar to this. The person differed in his approach to this idea by saying after you grabbed the guy, you would begin to fly towards the ground while holding your opponent. A ps would begin, and if the opponent won, he would be freed, and if you won, you would both plummet into the ground causing some serious damage to the enemy and some minor damage to yourself (to balance this out a bit). The allowing you teammate to beat up your enemy part i dont like. The other part...well...i just cant understand what you're saying. Sorry.

 

[Fire Phoenix]

i like the idea to grab your opponent and swoop toward the ground. but this other idea is just i dunno it seems sorta unfair. and it needsplanning seeing as it requires 3 people. maybe there should be a way to have the guy who is being held to have his team mate help out in some way. make it so things are balanced

 

[Kaba]

"Grabbing from behind" Just read it it's ***ish!! But maybe fly into enemy grab him from any side and fly with him to the ground!! there would be powerstruggle but if they hit the ground or a wall they both take damage the one that was loosing powerstruggle would have more damage than the one who win, soo if attacker would loosing in PS but still make to the ground/wall with his opponent, then attacker should get more damage!

 

[Zeonix]

You uh....kinda repeated what i just said....but um...yeah. I dont think you'd hit a wall if you were going straight down. But if you were to somehow hit the side of a mountain or something, both person would take some damage. Then again, i did say both characters should take damage (one less than the other) in order to balance this move. You wouldn't want to create a new way to spam would ya?

 

[Kaba]

hehe no I added something from myself to the idea about damage! Who was winning the powerstruggle should take less damage!!! Not the attacker, but the one who was winning PS should take less damage!!! Soo imagine Vegeta grab Goku and fly with him to the ground, let's say Goku is winning PS, but they hit the ground before Goku can finally win PS and stop Vegeta, soo they both taking damage, but the one who was winning PS(Goku) the one that was stronger, should take less damage!!! Do you understand now? I wasn't spamming!!

 

[Skiwan]

i think sumthing like holding both buttons when u go behind them makes u grab them and u hold em there like trunks did to goten and they loose ki but when it runs out it starts draining their health..... i dunno but it would be cool sumtimes

 

[[DC]_MAKER]

sounds good but sounds ahrd for esf team to make

 

[The Unknown]

I dunno about this. Thought it would be cool if another hold you and his teammate attacked. Like drewl.

 

[MopageBoy]

i think the idea would be sweet if u did it like this

If u swoop into someone from behind while holding primary fire and seconday fire you grab them from behind. while ur holding them from behind the power struggle begins. while ur winning by a fair bit the victom slowly loses health. but if they win the ps they can throw you with out losing as much ki as a normal thorw

 

[imkongkong]

remember goku held radditz? picolo was able to kil lthem both..

or chaotzu was able to hold onto the back of nappa.. nappa could swoop into a wall or the ground to do damage to the player..

the first one goku was strong enough to hold radditz down.. this could be an example of winning the struggle.. radditz couldn't move

the second one nappa of course had the advantage.. this could be winning the struggle.. where he could mnove and do damage by smashing into a wall or the ground

 

[onobi]

ewww ur perv. dude in sum porn movies guys grab from behind i say lets not make this game ***!!!

 

[Kaba]

Not only grabbed from Behind, but Goku was also grabbing Raditz tail lol

 

[Optimus Primal]

Yes...this happend at World Martial Arts Tournement aswell with Trunks fighting Goten.
Would be cool ofcourse if you could transform when grabbed.
Goten won the struggle almost instantly by transforming.
After seeing that for of struggle i love the idea

 

[Sicron]

http://forum.esforces.com/showthread.php?t=42134

i already kinda suggested it....this would improve teamwork instead of those ppl who dont help the rest

so i like the idea

 

[Zeonix]

I think the grab the person from behind idea is best illustrated by the fight between Piccolo and Frieza form 2. Another such example is the first fight between Zarbon and Vegeta. In both fights, one person grabs the other from behind and begins to "swoop" downwards and releases their foe a split second before they hit the ground. For those of you who havent seen these fights, think of seismic toss in the pokemon show.

To make this idea a bit more useable in esf, some of the suggestions above could be incorporated. One such idea is the power struggle, where the winner would either take less damage or no damage at all on his plummet towards the earth. He could also perform a reversal in which he would escape the grab and hrul his enemy to the ground instead. Another possibility could be: the person wins the ps and places the enemy stomach first. The person would then place his legs on his enemy's back and he would grab the enemy's arms (holding them upwards). This would make for some nice eye candy and maybe additional damage.

I also like the idea of transing while you are being restrained by your opponent. The trans could and probably should be instaneous and would last for a few milliseconds (enough time to break away). I think a better suggestion would be to just go into a stronger form a turbo, thus pushing your opponent/s away from you, without actaully causing any damage to them (something like gohan's shield; this too should not last long).

Finally, I dont really like the idea of a 2 on 1 fight. Even if it is helping to create some form of teamwork in esf. The way i help people is the following: if i see 2 or more people ganging up on my teammate, i immediately interfere and help my "friend". If it's just a 1 on 1 fight, i see no reason to help either person. It would be dishonorable to do so. If my teammate dies, then ill take his place in the fight.

 

[Cheeto101]

Finally, I dont really like the idea of a 2 on 1 fight. Even if it is helping to create some form of teamwork in esf. The way i help people is the following: if i see 2 or more people ganging up on my teammate, i immediately interfere and help my "friend". If it's just a 1 on 1 fight, i see no reason to help either person. It would be dishonorable to do so. If my teammate dies, then ill take his place in the fight.

it already happens all the time already....people just waiting with a beam as a teammate throws someone or melees them to the ground. Now there would be a way for 2 on 1 melee (which would give the guy on his own more of a chance...melee wont insta kill like a kame will). And the whole "honor" thing is absolute garbage on a public server. Its what ruined the JA comunitee. If people cant handle the game,,,they need to deal with it. (sorry....no offense or anything...its just one of my pet peeves).

 

[imkongkong]

http://forum.esforces.com/showthread.php?t=42134

i already kinda suggested it....this would improve teamwork instead of those ppl who dont help the rest

so i like the idea

i dont like the way you said it to initiate it.. remember chaotzu unawarely went from behind nappa? he didnt know.. if you're not swooping, you can grab someone from behind by pressing the primary button.. if you're winning the struggle u can hold him in place or u can do a seismic toss.. if you're losing the opponent can swoop and hit you into the ground or a wall

 

[Zeonix]

Lol....honor is one of your pet peeves? Ok then, scratch the part with honor. Let's put you in a scenario. You are fighting a fantastic fight with PCJoe. You have the upper hand due to his faulty mouse. As you are about to finish him off.....BAM! I grab you from behind. He gets a few melee shots in and i throw you down. I quickly charge a kamehameha and he quickly charges a gallick gun. Guess what? You've been killed. Now imagine this happening over and over again. I can handle fights between me and 2 or 3 enemies. I've demonstrated this before. I was mostly referring to the type of person that would take being double. triple, or quadruple teamed personally. Esf shouldnt be a community of fighters that cant take care of themselves. However, my opinion does change according to the circumstances. If you are being molested by a beam spammer, then i say what the hell. Double team him all you want. If you find that no one can beat a single person on a server, then go ahead, triple team him. The 2 on 1 grab version in this thread would be used and abused tremendously unless somehow toned down and balanced. (I too mean no offense. It is generally a good idea until you realize how it will be used by those who cant win without be cheap). Thats all from Zeo.