Feminism? oO

[Damaera]

I support the true goals of feminism, not what some feminists are supporting now (only benefits, no true equality). In most cases, I find gender "favoritism", such as women getting custody more often, or men getting better jobs (I'm sure the latter isn't as common anymore, but it's just an example) ridiculous. Special treatments are just as retarded.

I'm not a violent person, but if a woman were ever to get physical with me, I'd definitely retaliate. I wouldn't punch her or anything (I generally wouldn't punch anyone for that matter), but I would probably push her away or try to hold her back. I don't care if you're a guy or a girl, people should always defend themselves, no matter who they are, and I find it hilarious when white knights try go against you, who tried to defend yourself, and justify the woman who threw the first punch.

As for chivalry, I generally think it's retarded. People should be polite to people in general, no matter their sex. Women who give dirty looks or say something to men (or even women) who hold the doors open for them need to seriously lighten the **** up.

Also, I read something interesting the other week. Apparently a club was letting underaged females in, and these said females were with adult men. One of these underaged females apparently called rape when she was caught, and the man was charged as a sex offender. Pretty ridiculous stuff.

 

[Avenger]

Feminism is quite solidly on the rise in Norway, so I'm not inclined to support it. Norway is the kind of country in which girls stare at you oddly if you offer to pay for dinner on a date.

As for the gay pride parade, I feel it draws unnecessary attention to homosexuality. I mean, if the goal is for homosexuality to be considered normal, you don't have a parade that is incredibly misrepresentative of homosexuals and emphasizes the flamboyancy of homosexuality.

Then again, I live in a country where gay people are allowed to get married, and are allowed to adopt. I suppose it's different in the majority of countries out there.

 

[Zeonix]

Feminism is quite solidly on the rise in Norway, so I'm not inclined to support it. Norway is the kind of country in which girls stare at you oddly if you offer to pay for dinner on a date.

As for the gay pride parade, I feel it draws unnecessary attention to homosexuality. I mean, if the goal is for homosexuality to be considered normal, you don't have a parade that is incredibly misrepresentative of homosexuals and emphasizes the flamboyancy of homosexuality.

Then again, I live in a country where gay people are allowed to get married, and are allowed to adopt. I suppose it's different in the majority of countries out there.

Goes back to vocal minorities dominating perception while everyone else can't be assed to fix that perception, regardless of how warped and distorted it may be.

@ Cuc: I'm sure you're well aware of the witch hunt led by the FBI on the Black Panthers that eventually led to them basically firebombing and killing a bunch of BPs who weren't doing much of anything, let alone subverting the American Machine. As to what you're referring to, one white guy got to the door, saw one armed black male and one unarmed black male, both standing in front of the doors, and decided the Black Panthers were back with a vengeance. The armed man was escorted away. Much ado about nothing. Compare that to using voter registration lists to dismiss voters, counting the dead among voters, voter caging, closing down voting areas used by one political party while opening up more for the opposing party, calling people registered to the opposing political party to tell them they missed their opening to vote so they shouldn't bother showing up, and general scare tactics and it becomes clear way more focus was paid to one side than the other. The KKK is out there all the time, doing their thing. Counter protests galore. But people aren't afraid of the KKK, so they're a non-issue.

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Relevant:

[video=youtube;vp8tToFv-bA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp8tToFv-bA[/video]

 

[Halion]

I'll quickly touch on this. There are two reasons why women don't belong in the infantry. When I put all of my gear on and throw on my pack, I weigh about 365 lbs. Most women can't carry that much weight, go on a 60 mile hump through the mountains, and still be capable of engaging the enemy with accurate fire. There are onesies and twosies out there, but the logistical cost of changing everything for one or two women out of 100 quite frankly isn't worth it, especially when we already have an excess of recruits and the Corps is trying to downsize. Secondly, when placed on the field with men, if they get shot or otherwise injured, most men go out of their way to protect and aid her. That's the kind of bull**** that gets people killed. So infantry? No thanks. Other combat roles? Absolutely. We already have female fighter pilots and helo combat pilots. I'm sure women are operating UAVs.

I agree absolutely with this one. Of course, there are some things which men are simply predisposed to do, whereas women aren't. However, my point was that women are never drafted, even though, as you said, there are positions for women in the army, though, they're probably voluntary (which doesn't make much of a point nowadays because it's become only almost voluntary and drafting is a thing of the past, but still). If you want equality, how about being forced into the army like your fellow man, honeybun? That seems pretty fair.

 

[Zeonix]

This post is US-specific, but we no longer have a draft. Since the draft during Nam, women have become far more integrated in the military and are involved in certain combat roles eg. Flying Warthogs and Attack Helos. That said, in war men die. A lot of men. We generally keep women back home so that we can repopulate once the war is over. Sounds terrible, but it's how we've done it for as long as we've waged war. So day 1, basically. The military isn't the only way one can serve your country, so I don't really have an issue with not drafting them, though I do take issue with their general attitude and sense of entitlement.

In the 'ghan, we have maybe a fire team of women patrol with us every so often (us being infantryman, which is an extremely small percentage of the actual Corps). Their job is to communicate with women, search them and basically do all of the things that local custom and religion keeps us from doing. They don't carry nearly as much **** as we do, and they're generally only sent on patrols in low to no contact areas. Women are still pretty ******* sheltered and protected at all times in the military, but they seem to think they're "keeping up with the boys and doing a better job of it". Whatever. You're not doing much when we send a squad to protect you. Anyway, point being, most patrols are on foot, and we're either walking up mountains or down into valleys and across sewage-filled rivers. On the off chance we do take fire, they basically hide while we maneuver to contact, and lay waste. About 3 or 4 months ago, there was a poll among female Marines on whether or not we should let them become infantrymen, and it was divided in a pretty spectacular way. On one side, you had women who had actually patrolled with grunts and on the other you had POGs who basically **** around with vics or do admin and logistical work. The women who actually patrolled with us said **** no, there's no goddamn way the majority of women would be able to handle it. The pace is too grueling, everything weighs too much and unless they had personal donkeys or something, they'd be more of a liability than anything. If you can't carry your pack, someone else has to, and that just ****s everyone. The side with no experience was gungho about it and said absolutely, because they don't know what the **** they're asking for or what they're talking about.

There's really no point to this post. It just irks me when people think they can do my job better than I can, when they can't even handle the physical aspect of it. The walking a billion miles with a mountain on your back is the easy part. I've had to read and study way more manuals and books than I did in school, and if I don't know what I'm doing, people die. It isn't Call of Duty, it isn't Battlefield, it isn't even Saving Private Ryan. Besides knowing the tactics, how to lead, how to engage accurately when your body is fighting you every step of the way, etc, you need sound judgement because unlike WW2, we're the only side wearing uniforms. Basically giant target signs. Everyone else looks the same until you get close, and then you have to read their body language, recognize their smells, looks at their hands, and basically be a detective in a war zone. I feel like the Goddamn Batman out there with all the **** I pull off my belt while looking for clues. We have **** to see what chemicals they've been working with (what farmer's use for their crops and what bomb-makers use is no longer the same). We take pictures and create dossiers on people and their families. One time, I pulled a finger print off an IED that had already detonated, had someone run it through our database, and 4 hours later we raided the house of the guy who set it there, which eventually led us to the bomb-making facility. War is basically Arkham City, is what I'm saying.

And that's why women belong in the kitchen.

Wait, what just happened?

 

[Zeonix]

[video=youtube;gekyg7yy4Dc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gekyg7yy4Dc[/video]

Basically a part 2 to the above video. Relephant.

 

[Avenger]

Oh Zeo, you're so hippopotamus.

 

[Zeonix]

That's racist.

 

[Damaera]

Somewhat related to Feminism, I came across this picture just recently and got a good laugh from it.

 

[Tenzo]

Hahah ;D

 

[Heron]

'If you don't take a job as a prostitute, we can stop your benefits'

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A 25-year-old waitress who turned down a job providing "sexual services'' at a brothel in Berlin faces possible cuts to her unemployment benefit under laws introduced this year.


Prostitution was legalised in Germany just over two years ago and brothel owners – who must pay tax and employee health insurance – were granted access to official databases of jobseekers.


The waitress, an unemployed information technology professional, had said that she was willing to work in a bar at night and had worked in a cafe.


She received a letter from the job centre telling her that an employer was interested in her "profile'' and that she should ring them. Only on doing so did the woman, who has not been identified for legal reasons, realise that she was calling a brothel.


Under Germany's welfare reforms, any woman under 55 who has been out of work for more than a year can be forced to take an available job – including in the sex industry – or lose her unemployment benefit. Last month German unemployment rose for the 11th consecutive month to 4.5 million, taking the number out of work to its highest since reunification in 1990.
The government had considered making brothels an exception on moral grounds, but decided that it would be too difficult to distinguish them from bars. As a result, job centres must treat employers looking for a prostitute in the same way as those looking for a dental nurse.

When the waitress looked into suing the job centre, she found out that it had not broken the law. Job centres that refuse to penalise people who turn down a job by cutting their benefits face legal action from the potential employer.

"There is now nothing in the law to stop women from being sent into the sex industry," said Merchthild Garweg, a lawyer from Hamburg who specialises in such cases. "The new regulations say that working in the sex industry is not immoral any more, and so jobs cannot be turned down without a risk to benefits."

Miss Garweg said that women who had worked in call centres had been offered jobs on telephone sex lines. At one job centre in the city of Gotha, a 23-year-old woman was told that she had to attend an interview as a "nude model", and should report back on the meeting. Employers in the sex industry can also advertise in job centres, a move that came into force this month. A job centre that refuses to accept the advertisement can be sued.

Tatiana Ulyanova, who owns a brothel in central Berlin, has been searching the online database of her local job centre for recruits.

"Why shouldn't I look for employees through the job centre when I pay my taxes just like anybody else?" said Miss Ulyanova.

Ulrich Kueperkoch wanted to open a brothel in Goerlitz, in former East Germany, but his local job centre withdrew his advertisement for 12 prostitutes, saying it would be impossible to find them.

Mr Kueperkoch said that he was confident of demand for a brothel in the area and planned to take a claim for compensation to the highest court. Prostitution was legalised in Germany in 2002 because the government believed that this would help to combat trafficking in women and cut links to organised crime.

Miss Garweg believes that pressure on job centres to meet employment targets will soon result in them using their powers to cut the benefits of women who refuse jobs providing sexual services.

"They are already prepared to push women into jobs related to sexual services, but which don't count as prostitution,'' she said.

"Now that prostitution is no longer considered by the law to be immoral, there is really nothing but the goodwill of the job centres to stop them from pushing women into jobs they don't want to do."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...s-a-prostitute-we-can-stop-your-benefits.html

Why should Women have to do this, or suffer such consequences?

 

[McVries]

A lot has been touched upon, so I will only briefly statea couple of things:
Like others mentioned, I see nothing wrong with being courteous to women, but that same courtesy should be extended to men too. Like many mentioned, equality is key. Treat people with equal respect and try to limit preferential treatment based on gender, race or sexual life choices. As for feminism, I don't support their stance on being dominant to men. Again, it all comes down to equality. Neither gender should fight for dominance, but rather a balance if the scales are tipped in another's favor.

I was at a friend's house, where my friend's female friend walks out the bathroom, and asks, "who left the seat up?". I'm sitting here wanting to make a stance that all she has to do is put the seat down, and that it isn't anyone's responsibility to put the seat down other than yourself if that's what you want. I just didn't say anything, because she and I are on good terms, and I have a feeling that she might have judged me falsely based on my views.

On a less serious note, I always found the whole "who left the seat up" statement from women funny. Like Akation said, it isn't anyone's responsibility but rather the specific user's preference. I've never been in that situation, but if I witnessed a female stating that, I would be tempted to pose a question:
Would she prefer that a male left the seat up, or if he left it down instead and got splash damage on it?:laff: