Being Cheap

[icu2]

its not cheap
what are you gonna say next , you cant hit me back because its cheap!,
OMFG

 

[Xenogias]

Originally posted by icu2
its not cheap
what are you gonna say next , you cant hit me back because its cheap!,
OMFG

Ehhh that makes no sense at all...

 

[Sonic the Vampire]

I've got an idea... how about a melee meter? If somebody uses melee, say, 14,000 times on the same map, he should break an arm. That would fix all the melee issues, since the issue doesn't seem to be blocking, it seems to be attacking. Now I don't mind the use of melee in ESF, I do it myself pretty often. However, I have to leave servers after 2 solid maps of 2 on 1 melee, without a single beam fired. Beams are a big part of what makes up Dragonball Z, and until the melee system becomes a little more advanced, we should give people a better chance of actually getting a beam off. I don't mind if half a guy's kills are from melee, because I think melee is fun when it's one on one. Right now though, the guy with the lower ping and teleport bound to right click isn't required to touch any attacks other than melee to ruin the map for the player of his choice. I can't see what the problem is with blocking, whether it be melee or block struggles. It is too easy for the beam user to come out on top of a block struggle as things are right now; even a guy with half his opponents power level. Odds are the guy will be backed up into a wall before he sends the attack back on most maps. As for melee on melee, blocking is necessary, and you can't say anything different. You try playing on one of the public servers without blocking. See how annoying melee gets when you have two guys following you around without giving you room to breath. Learn how to teleport if you don't like it, damnit. Don't give me this "DMZ has true teleport" crap. I've played ESF, and I can teleport through people and beams. I often accidentally teleport through people in melee because I'm pressing the wrong key, which usually gets me hit while I try to turn around. ESF's teleport is also a hell of a lot more user-friendly than DMZ as well, which currently only supports a toggle mode. All people seem to do in DMZ is to hyper-punch and then melee you to nothing anyhow, which is about as far from DBZ as I've seen in a modification so far. ESF is on top in the melee department at the moment in my oppinion. On a seperate note, it isn't teleportation, it's just moving so fast as not to be seen. You can't zanzoken across the United States, you'd run out of stamina.
Detonating your beams leaves a bad taste in my mouth when it's overused, like anything that is repeatedly overused. This is especially distasteful when it comes to power attacks like the kamehameha, which has a rediculous blast radius, and could easily kill the guy who might have thrown it back at the user.

 

[Htokilefa]

IMO means "In my opinion"


IMHO means "In my humble opinion"


"You try playing on one of the public servers without blocking. See how annoying melee gets when you have two guys following you around without giving you room to breath."


I don't block melee. Don't really need to. 2v1 is a challenge, and one I enjoy!

 

[Marauder]

The worst part is when the Blocker is the one who opend the server...
its WAY cheap!
insted of attacking u wait 4 someone to attack u , block, and hit him.
blocking beams is fine,and its fun!

 

[Scruffie]

I play frequently with one of my friends Gohan-San, and we use both beam detonation and blocking, they make for some of the best matches ever.

I choose niether.

 

[Mr. Nemo]

OK i don't think you guys got the point 100 percent...i don't really think anything is cheap because the game is well blanced like the disks aren't cheap cause without them those players who use it would be crappy...and melee blocking is fine because you can block there counter attack too (it's a little hard thou) but the blowing up thing isn't that cheap the only reason i said it was because thats all the guy did to win without it he would loose horribly...but i enjoy ps/bs i find it fun and enjoyable and when people blow it up before i get to just gets on my nerves cause why not it's just a fun game...

ps: i asked for your opinions not your outraged comments...thank you

 

[Align]

I dont exercise either very often(melee is a bit annoying, but I can do it too, and I can counter it. And I can counter blocking.), and I don't think either is cheap. Something I DO think is cheap, is meleeing someone to the ground and then sending a beam after them while they are trying to recover from hitting the ground(about here everyone starts thinking up flames to direct at me).
You should be invulnerable to beams and kiblobs as well as melee when knocked out, its just.... gah.
Almost as annoying as the mouthblast spammers; Guy goes Buu, guy has more PL than everyone else(that isn't Buu anyway), and therefore has larger power(result=larger explosion) in his mouthblast attacks.
Its annoying as HELL when some quack camps in some obscure corner and does nothing but mouthblast at everyone who is fighting each other. Especially on DM servers, which I avoid when I can...

And ceiling corner camping is also *** IMO, I mean, fleeing up there to recharge or ascend I don't mind at all, but when some *** keeps blasting everyone with kamehamehas when you cant see him, sigh... Cell/Piccolo are good counters vs those guys at least, since they get scared by the incoming SBC and flee like the chicken****s they are.

Pardon my nasty tongue please.

 

[Hitokiri]

My take:

It's a little retarded when you've got a bunch of people jumping up and down with full charged kamehameha's and predetonating them. Sometimes the blast is so big you'd need a teleport script to escape:S but luckily most players find that boring and wont do it, so I don't care. It's kind of unrealistic to the DBZ series but I guess it's necessary in the game for beams to work at all.

And uh, if you just sat there, blocking like a moron while he charged a beam, then I don't blame him for predetonating on you. Makes sense to me. It's called blocking too much for your own health, when you dunno when to let go and charge him.

Blocking is bleh. . . It's escapable, counterable, etc, although people that are uber (i mean like instant) fast on the counter (due to ping, scripts, and sometimes reaction time) can make a fight stupid. I mean if it comes to a point where you HAVE to completely confuse and outsmart him because attacking will get you instantly hit back, *instantly*, like no chance to teleport away unless YOU have a script, then that's stupid. It's too much effort on your part being traded for too little on theirs. People that rely on fast blocking piss me off, just because it's annoying and boring no matter who's winning. Although if they're using a script then psht f*ck them they suck.

 

[Big Bang Attack]

Originally posted by Proud_Prince
And Again I say for the 10th Time.
Weaker Players shouldn't be able to just easily hit stronger
players! When Gohan was kicking Cell's ass. Cell's Block broke
loose because Gohans punches were too strong. Same with
Gokou vs. Freiza, Gokou vs. Android 19, and Gokou vs. Buu.
And beleive it or not, Even though Piccolo and Android 17 were too
strong for each other, or Equal of Strength, They couldn't block
forever either! THERE SHOULD BE A BLOCK METER NUFF SAID.
Sorry for caps again.

im not shaw, but im pretty, saw u can break there block, if u are much stronger, and if u block it does very little to u, and it makes the game more fun when a 750,000 pl goku, can kick the ass of a ssj vegeta that has 5 mill pl

 

[Twysta]

In my expirience of playing ESF I found that the only time I ever called something cheap was when I couldn't find a way to overcome it, thats why I voted "beam blowin" to be cheap because there is no real way around it unless you teleport really fast but thats hard especially when you don't know its coming, and even if you teleport you still get hurt because the radius is big. So IMO the reason for calling something cheap is because you cant beat it.

 

[Eon]

i just hate it when someone sits there and blocks.... but il just go up to them hit,teleport back,hit again and they usually stop blocking. I have nothing against beam blocking unless they just sit there AFTER you shoot them with the beam

 

[HaLLiS]

man u guys need to get over it ,mele punchin and blockin is fine

 

[ReV!n$e:D]

I think the blocking system is just fine. If you are fighting against a player which is as good as you it is really much fun trying to get around the others defence. And u need melee blocking because sometimes you are shooting a beam at someone and while the beam is on his way another guy is swooping at you. So the only way to not getting hit is to blow your beam and block. Another thing is if players are attacking you while you have another one targeted. The best thing is to block first. Then you can either try to hit him or teleport away, so you have the possibility to target him. And i think to bs is better than always teleporting away.....
(OK, if there are guys on the server always trying to get an easy kill by shooting at people in a struggle it may be not.... :\ )
The only thing in this discussion which is cheap in my opinion is to blow a beam in front of an enemy. I think the ESF Team is fixing it in Beta 1.1 so it will be no problem in the future.

 

[[ZF]Vegeta]

No whiner pls. Cheap is what you call people who cant stand all the aspects of the game. I have to block when I fight 2 on 1, or 3 on 1 especially in Melee, however beams.... I rarely get a chance to fight back when its Goku vs me, and there are 18456465465456 gokus on the server. :shocked:

 

[KrOniK_HeMpKniGhT]

There's nothing wrong with either of these things, melee blocking isn't something i think should be called cheap, maybe if it were used over and over again, but in that case I'd just blow up a beam in their face, and the same with blowing up beams, it helps with block spammers, and if someone ever slips by your beam, instead of sitting there like an ass waiting for your beam to hit the ground while he's charging towards you. you can just blow up the beam and continue the fight but thats just the way i see it

 

[Glenn]

heck ill block but not constantly, i try not to but when i see other ppl just sittin there i might get a lil mad but i still kill them, when they just block i use my philosophy....Attack dont whack

 

[Emeka650]

Frogger are you spamming again.You said you would stop

 

[Eon]

there should be just no reason for someone to curl up and block in the middle of a fight, you are makin yourself more vulnerable to back or side attacks, so actually it is not cheap, it could be their own downfall

 

[Mr. Nemo]

but meanwhile not blocking is making your vuverable everywhere...i block when it's me vs more than one and when i need to i don't just sit there and block some times i do it fast enough that you can't tell so who cares...but blocking is awesome so there