Time Travel?

[GMan]

I think it's.. an interesting read.

 

[Pain]

If you read his story, we DON'T win; Russia nukes our government's facilities and ends the civil war. We just sort of, hold out. The army isn't even really fighting us; more like riot control type of stuff. ANd it's not like open fighting in the streets type of stuff; it's people protesting illegal search and seizure, **** like that. He specifically complains about how we develop "non-lethal" weapons, because we don't realize they are being made to be used on US, the people, when we riot or such stuff.

Think about it too--a lot of army people wouldn't be happy about such things either. From what he says a lot of the army splits apart. Imagine your a colonel who does is job every day and then one day your mother or sister or some **** tells you they were thrown out of their home because someone in there neighborhood was smuggling drugs; subsequently they get forced out and you have to sign an executive order to do the same to everyone in the town, deeming them all expendable in the process? A lot of people don't cooperate with the government's wishes--however, a lot of people also don't want to live in hardship, so they stick with the governmental rules and regs and stay in the cities. Then most of the cities get bombed, and mostly only the people who left survive, thus "winning" the civil war after what Titor calls "a very brief World War III." the end.

And just cause you can poke some holes in a story doesn't mean it's fiction. I can poke holes in anything on a written page if I look at it long enough; even the most...factual of accounts.

I'm not saying it's true. I'm saying it's uncanny, and difficult to deny THE POSSIBILITY that it might be.

on the contrary.. its not difficult at all to prove the kid is making it up....
on a smaller scale i can do the same thing. watch this. i predict that you will wake up tomorow. i predict that you will check the forums again. i predict that you will watch tv some time tomorow. does this mean im from the future? no... im just making stuff up that has a good probability of being viewed as true or factual.

he says something about the mad cow epidemic. he doesnt say when. giving him a very large window of credibility. oh in 2005 there will be a riot... thats a 50/50 chance seeing how bush 'won' the election last time. oh by the way 3 billion people are going to die in 2015. that would be the equivilant of destroying 3 chinas..... thats a lot. and i doubt the world leaders are that irresponsible to do such a thing.

as for fiction

fic·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fkshn)
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Law. Something untrue that is intentionally represented as true by the narrator.

maybe he is a psycho and he actualy believes what he is saying is true... it doesnt mean its fact. just because its well thought out with some good points doesnt mean its fact. just because he has made a story that inspires insight doesnt mean its factual.... if he is sending a message than it is about as reliable as the bible. both send messages that you should do this and blah blah blah.... most of you know how i feel about religion so ill leave it at that. so he says that we should get off our asses and be vegetarians for the most part.... ok good for him. he came up with a fantastic story that is very entertaining.... well so are tom clancy books. it doesnt mean that a terrorist actualy hijacked a nuke and blew up new york.

as for poking holes in fact.... that is much harder to do if there is solid proof. reminds me of Vegetas Breifs saying that smoking doesnt cause cancer... even though countless forum members shoved proof in her face. she poked some BS holes saying how the government was corrupted or something like that. was she telling the truth? well she thought she was.... but its obvious to everyone else that she wasnt.

 

[EfFeCt]

hmmmm its interesting his got all these pics and NONE of him that i ave seen....... sure i wonder what he is doing now ......
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i use to believe in god but every time i went to chapel i got sick or i just got really pissed of at nothing but when i read the bible once it said some thing about the jesus coming back around a generation after israel became a country or a something....... he says nothing about christ the LORD coming back to earth......and thats a long time away 2038 or wateva......
its just an interesting point .... is he real ..... is the bible real.... dunno ....

 

[NeLo]

Well this is not a religious discussion. This is about the time traveling guy. O and understand the bible better. It says when Israel and some other country its at war with, is at peace. Then thats when the Lord shall come down and take all his elect children and leave the wicked here on earth to die. But thats besides the point. Ya know Pain i was gonna say the same thing lol. I was like well i can predict that tomorrow someone will die. Tomorrow someone will be born. Tomorrow someone will have been diagnosed with cancer. Everything you think of is happening right now or is going to happen. That doesn't necessarly mean im a time traveler. If he is infact telling us that we are lazy, irresponsible, blah blah blah blah blah. Then he's right we are. And ya know what? Its going to get worse. Mankind's attitude that is. This doesnt mean that there is going to be a war. This is the reason its going to get worse. Well i know i said i didnt want to bring religious discussion but its just a short lil piece. Go read Romans 9. That's all ill say and understand it well otherwise you'll never get it. Anyway, i believe just becuz Bush may get re-elected doesn't mean ppl are going to riot or whatever he said. Im just going to stop now. Too much bs going on with this time traveler.

 

[Sliq]

hmmmm its interesting his got all these pics and NONE of him that i ave seen....... sure i wonder what he is doing now ......
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i use to believe in god but every time i went to chapel i got sick or i just got really pissed of at nothing but when i read the bible once it said some thing about the jesus coming back around a generation after israel became a country or a something....... he says nothing about christ the LORD coming back to earth......and thats a long time away 2038 or wateva......
its just an interesting point .... is he real ..... is the bible real.... dunno ....

Why would he show himself, Like he said, Why would I reveal myself, it will only lead you to a govermental sub base locked up or in a mental hospital drugged out of your mind.

 

[Judge]

I totally understand why he wouldnt tell it, even if he knows it.

what if you went back in time, let's say the start of 2001, then you tell people something bad is going to happen in september (11th). you know yourself that you shouldnt tell more, because telling more would ruin the 'surprise', it sounds very harsh. but you have to consider if giving too much info about something is wise. if america knows something is going to happen on the 11th of september, so did bin laden (he would also know that they have info about 11th of september). meaning he wouldnt attack. and you would seriously ruin the timezone, and your own future is most likely not the same.

so I dont think you should tell a lot, if you have the knowledge.

 

[EfFeCt]

i wont read romans 9 cause i will probably get sick like i allways do.....and its not my fault.... but this isnt a religious convo......yes he probably souldnt reveal himself....my family think its a hoax all about the war and stuff......i just wunna hear more feedback from more intelligent people here (some people)........

 

[majin goketa]

I was reading his stuff and I came across a Post where he said that
E(8)XE(8) is the Equation behind Time Travel, which makes no sense for two reasons:

(a) It isn't a equation it's a symmetry relation, which can't be used as an Engineering basis.

(b)What that symmetry relation describes is that there is a shadow universe operating parrellel to our own, where we both occupy the same place but can't see eachother. Which has nothing to do with time travel at all.

Not to mention some of what he says involves Special Relativity been wrong.

He sounds like a intelligent enough guy who knew a bit about physics from reading books and then tried to apply what he read in them to making a time machine and was totally wrong in assuming how the principles worked.

 

[Pain]

the one real reason you should all be looking at is this. if he is indeed a time traveler why has he chosen now (or whenever he came) to show himself? why havent there been reports of other time travelers. surely there must have been some other accounts of this if time travel is such common place in his time. the reality of it is.. its some guy sitting back enjoying himself while some of you blindly believe him as you would probably blindly believe anything (you know what im talkin about) and as the others of us debate his existance..... this is so similarly related to god its almost scary... except i can pretty much say what i want without offending anyone....

 

[Sliq]

Think the government would tell us that a time traveler has came from the future and told us we are all going to being nuked? I highly doubt it, They will keep it classified.

 

[NeLo]

Another point i would like to make. If this guy is infact a "time Traveler" and then some terrorist happens to come across his website, they would most likely go over there and capture him for sure. Plus im really sure no nuke war is gonna happen. I mean wtf..Bush is over there kicking some major terrorist ass. So how could it happen. :S And again time is something you can grab out of the air. Its manmade so its very impossible to travel through time...

 

[majin goketa]

This is obviously a fake, anybody could make predictions about the future and have the predictions sound half-realistic. As for the physics he is completely incorrect on alot of things but people don't argue cause most people don't know enough physics to argue with him.

 

[Kurt`]

As far as time travel goes...

Back in high school, one of my teachers was discussing some of Einstein's theories and research. He mentioned a 4d graph, involving space and time.

He said something to the effect of, "changing your location in space displaces your location in time". He backed it up by showing us a website, that showed a journal of some (I think it was 5) scientists. They synchronized their watches, and 2 of the scientists drove to a city 500 miles away. When they called the other scientists that stayed behind, the scientists who traveled the 500 mile's watches were 2 minutes behind the other scientists' watches (this is, of course, neglecting time zones).

Apparently, this test has been run many times. I don't know, I found that kind of weird.

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This guy sounds like a hoax to me. It's instant celebrity for him.
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[majin goketa]

He said something to the effect of, "changing your location in space displaces your location in time". He backed it up by showing us a website, that showed a journal of some (I think it was 5) scientists. They synchronized their watches, and 2 of the scientists drove to a city 500 miles away. When they called the other scientists that stayed behind, the scientists who traveled the 500 mile's watches were 2 minutes behind the other scientists' watches (this is, of course, neglecting time zones).

Apparently, this test has been run many times. I don't know, I found that kind of weird.
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It's called time dilation but the effect isn't that great, you wouldn't notice it unless your going faster than a tenth the speed of light.

 

[Sliq]

You never know, time travel may be possible one day..Everyone just doesnt think so because they have no clue on how it can be done. :x

 

[Kurt`]

It's called time dilation but the effect isn't that great, you wouldn't notice it unless your going faster than a tenth the speed of light.

Got any links about it? Thanks.

 

[ImpTaimer]

Is this de-ja-vu or what? This seems a little far fetched. It reminds me alot of Fallout (the game). A war began for some "unkown" reason, and humans decided to use nuclear weapons. A nuclear spark obliterates the surface of the earth to unrepairable odds. The game starts you out in the "western" part of the US. People survive by luck, or living in [/vaults]. They come out to see the earth ravaged to dust and decay. The world's water black and poluted, but whatever happened to the rest of the world is unsaid.....

Everybody has their own opinion, and thats what makes life great. So nobodies right or wrong on this. Well anyway, what he's done can't be actaully proven or disproven, unless there was the perfect lie detecter. Lie detecers now are easily bypassed, becaues it measures your pulse right? So... yeah, even if this is a hoax, the guy makes Bill Gates look bad

 

[NeLo]

No this is a discussion on if its a hoax or not. So there IS a discussion if this is fake or not..and it is. There is no possible way that you can grab something that is man made. Its like my wind discussion. No one knows where it comes from but you can feel it. You cant start it nor stop it. Its something that's impossible to grab. Especially with air. So this guy is full of ****.

 

[majin goketa]

You never know, time travel may be possible one day..Everyone just doesnt think so because they have no clue on how it can be done. :x

Physicists at the moment have a few ideas that could work perfectly but until they finish a theory call quantum gravity nobody can say for certain if time travel is possible or not.

I can't find any good links for time dilation at the moment so I'll just post a brief description.

Time Dilation:

Velocity time dilation:
When one accelerates towards the speed of light, time slows down with respect to the rest of the Universe. That is, a stationary observer would see the travelling objects slowing down their activity (while still travelling fast). For them, time passes slower.

It is important to note that this effect is extremely small at ordinary speeds, and can be safely ignored for all ordinary situations. It is only when an object approaches speeds on the order of 30,000 km/s (still 1/10 of the speed of light), that it becomes important.

Taken to the extreme, an observer travelling at the speed of light (which, according to special relativity, is impossible for any object with a non-zero rest mass) would be all but frozen with respect to the outside world. Massless particles (which are forced by relativity to travel at the speed of light) include photons and gluons.


Gravitational time dilation :
Gravitational time dilation is a verified effect of general relativity, and has been experimentally measured using atomic clocks on airplanes. The clocks that travelled aboard the airplanes were slightly fast with respect to clocks on the ground. The effect is significant enough that the Global Positioning System needs to correct for its effect on clocks aboard artificial satellites, providing a further experimental confirmation of the effect. Time dilation due to velocity is negligible in both cases.

An extreme example of gravitational time dilation occurs near a black hole. A clock falling towards the event horizon would appear (to observers far away) to slow down to a halt as it approached the horizon. A small and sturdy enough clock could conceivably cross the horizon without suffering adverse effects at the horizon, but to far away observers it would "freeze" and be flattened out on the horizon.


Time dilation and space flight:
Time dilation could make it possible to travel "into the future": if we could accelerate a starship enough, one year aboard the ship might correspond to ten years outside. Indeed, a constant 1g acceleration would permit humans to circumnavigate the known Universe (with a radius of some 15 billion light years) in under a subjective lifetime. A more likely use of this effect would be to enable humans to travel to nearby stars without spending their entire lives aboard the ship.

 

[Pain]

Nelo... wind comes from hot and cold fronts coliding i believe.