The Philosophy Thread!

[Horatio]

This thread is dedicated to discussing philosophical ideas. Each Monday, at 0:00 GMT, a new subject will be chosen by whichever user posts first.

This thread is currently open, and you may post your ideas below, as long as you are the first to do so. This will then be the topic of the week. (In this case, 2 days. )

 

[PlanetHexagon]

Should prostitutes be allowed?

 

[Hellion_Blade]

No, prostitutes should not be allowed. Why would you want to lower society even more by making prostitution legal? Prostitutes are already thought to be low lives and in most cases they probably are. How does that help the economy or moral structure of the country or world?

 

[PlanetHexagon]

Its a philosophy group i don't really think it should be allowed.

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Its a philosophy group i don't really think it should be allowed.

 

[Barney]

How is having prostitution legal or illegal a subject on philosophy? That's law, not philosophy.

Philosophy is asking questions akin to what's the reason for us being on Earth or is there a reason for us being on Earth? Do human beings really have souls? Do animals have souls? Etc.

 

[Z Power]

If I eat two donuts, and leave the third one, is there someone out there who likes potatoes?

 

[RobiZ]

If I eat two donuts, and leave the third one, is there someone out there who likes potatoes?

Sure there is. That's an obvious question.

 

[Ness]

But then this raises the question: does he actually like donuts?

 

[RobiZ]

If he enjoy eating them in any way : the taste it self or the softness or sweetness of it, then he like donuts, if not then he doesn't.

 

[Zeonix]

How is having prostitution legal or illegal a subject on philosophy? That's law, not philosophy.

Philosophy is asking questions akin to what's the reason for us being on Earth or is there a reason for us being on Earth? Do human beings really have souls? Do animals have souls? Etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_law

 

[Grega]

No, prostitutes should not be allowed. Why would you want to lower society even more by making prostitution legal? Prostitutes are already thought to be low lives and in most cases they probably are. How does that help the economy or moral structure of the country or world?

Bullshit. The only reason why prostitution is illegal is because there is no tax deriving from it, since its done outside the general business structure, and as such can not be controlled by the country or taxed by it, like other jobs are. Its got nothing to do with the moral structure, its just pure misguided capitalistic economics.

Prostitution was round ever since humanity began living in communities, and it has not degraded our growth in the slightest. What did hinder our growth was the ideas that everything needs to be controlled, and if anything was not foreseen by that control its automatically a bad thing. And that only leads to the case that good or bad are not defined by "useful and not useful", but instead derive from the leading minorities personal views, regardless of being useful for our growth, being neutral to it or actively hindering our growth.

 

[Zeonix]

Its got nothing to do with the moral structure, its just pure misguided capitalistic economics.

Unless heavily regulated, many times prostitutes are forced or coerced into becoming such, either through false promises (Hey, want to get your citizenship?), stranding that person in an unfamiliar country, or straight up kidnapping. Let's also not forget that many prostitutes are, in fact, kids. The times where the prostitute sought the lifestyle is usually mired with heavy drug use, either forced upon them by their pimp or the agency running them, or as a personal choice to escape reality if but for a moment. And then, of course, there's the fact that a lot of times, prostitutes are but a single part of a highly complex gang operation and a source of revenue to continue that operation, either in the form of organized crime or simple street thugs trying to make it big.

And then there's the physical and mental abuse, the rape, the murder, etc. We live in a world we're saying killing prostitutes is alright because they don't have souls.

I grew up in a pretty seedy area so I got to talk to and get to know a lot of different types of people.

 

[Grega]

Unless heavily regulated, many times prostitutes are forced or coerced into becoming such, either through false promises (Hey, want to get your citizenship?), stranding that person in an unfamiliar country, or straight up kidnapping. Let's also not forget that many prostitutes are, in fact, kids. The times where the prostitute sought the lifestyle is usually mired with heavy drug use, either forced upon them by their pimp or the agency running them, or as a personal choice to escape reality if but for a moment. And then, of course, there's the fact that a lot of times, prostitutes are but a single part of a highly complex gang operation and a source of revenue to continue that operation, either in the form of organized crime or simple street thugs trying to make it big.

And then there's the physical and mental abuse, the rape, the murder, etc. We live in a world we're saying killing prostitutes is alright because they don't have souls.

I grew up in a pretty seedy area so I got to talk to and get to know a lot of different types of people.

Thats a different side of the story, thats really only a side product of bad management elsewhere. The point i was making was under the pretense of personal choice, not by other factors that abuse the holes in the system. Though abusing the holes in the system is just another side effect of the misguided economics, that strive to ignore the low class in favor of higher class personal gain.

 

[Zeonix]

A byproduct of bad management? It's almost definitely the culmination of cultural and societal values combined with the economic pressures that come with being in the low-middle class and the struggle associated with climbing the economic ladder. The stigma that comes with drug-use, and the needs for arms trafficking in an environment where you're lucky to live to 30 helps perpetuate these kinds of crimes. It's actually incredibly good business sense provided you can ignore the ethical implications found in trafficking humans and dealing weapons to a bunch of kids who know nothing but violence and crime. Exploiting these people isn't abusing "holes in the system". It's living parallel to, but not in, the system. What do you suggest people do to fix this problem? More legislation?

 

[Grega]

A byproduct of bad management? It's almost definitely the culmination of cultural and societal values combined with the economic pressures that come with being in the low-middle class and the struggle associated with climbing the economic ladder. The stigma that comes with drug-use, and the needs for arms trafficking in an environment where you're lucky to live to 30 helps perpetuate these kinds of crimes. It's actually incredibly good business sense provided you can ignore the ethical implications found in trafficking humans and dealing weapons to a bunch of kids who know nothing but violence and crime. Exploiting these people isn't abusing "holes in the system". It's living parallel to, but not in, the system. What do you suggest people do to fix this problem? More legislation?

If anything a fundamentally new system, that prevents economic groups from forming in the first place. A system that does not rely on money and is aimed towards progress, but doesnt use personal gain as a means to achieve that goal. Sadly such a system is nothing but a fantasy, since people are not able to set aside their greed, and without that, there can be no such system. Putting it simply, we are far to barbaric for such a system (as communism and socialism have shown us again and again)

 

[Zeonix]

If anything a fundamentally new system, that prevents economic groups from forming in the first place. A system that does not rely on money and is aimed towards progress, but doesnt use personal gain as a means to achieve that goal. Sadly such a system is nothing but a fantasy, since people are not able to set aside their greed, and without that, there can be no such system. Putting it simply, we are far to barbaric for such a system (as communism and socialism have shown us again and again)

There's plenty to be done without completely dismantling the system in place which, in itself, would cause chaos and strife. And it starts with targeting the disease, rather than attacking the symptoms as they arise.

 

[BlueSaiyan]

dang, this thread seemed interesting, it's too bad nobody brought up a new topic... I'll just throw one out there I guess for 1 day: Is it wrong to sell the public the fast food that they want, knowing how unhealthy it is?

 

[Horatio]

dang, this thread seemed interesting, it's too bad nobody brought up a new topic... I'll just throw one out there I guess for 1 day: Is it wrong to sell the public the fast food that they want, knowing how unhealthy it is?

I'd say that it is not wrong at all, as long as they were forewarned and were in fact fully notified and knowledgable that they would die from a prolonged diet of this food.

The problem is, most fast food companies don't tell people quite how bad it is. They kinda just go with the philosophy "If no one asks, I guess we don't have to tell 'em."

I wouldn't go so far to say that it was morally right, but, I can't call anyone a devil for doing so.

 

[BlueSaiyan]

This weeks philosophy topic is: Is it okay to take extinct species and clone them? I.E. the recent Wooly mammoth that was found perfectly preserved in ice. There are talks of cloning this beast, so, is this right or wrong or does it even matter? Some are worried of the possibility that it could be harboring some ancient virus that could cause a pandemic. Then there's the argument of it disrupting the delicate balance of the food chain. Then, there's also the whole "we shouldn't play god" stance on this topic. So what say you?

Personally I feel that it's okay. Many animals went extinct through environmental conditions rather than simply being a failure as a species. I feel like this creature in particular should be given a second chance to thrive. With it's main diet being grass, i doubt it'd seriously upset any balance in the food chain. Plus, it would be a major stimulus to the economy in which has one on display at their zoo. I feel like it'd be a total plus in all areas.

 

[Hellion_Blade]

Fk it just put it on some remote island somewhere that will cost a lot of money. This is beginning to sound like a steven spielberg movie... honestly though, the liquid exploding dinosaurs that fill my gas tank every day is enough dino action for me.