✔️ HL Verified
- Jan 22, 2006
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Yes, it's not like it used to be but it' definetly active!
20 active people = dead, imo.Seriously, if it is dead. Why the heck are you people posting here? That's not dead like, that's active like. Dead is something that people no longer post or barely check the forums. You guys, are checking the forums every single day, you also post and within the chat box as well.. Why do you call that dead?
It doesn't make sense to be diametrically opposed to a single spam thread, but I understand that Dev was just doing his job and enforcing the rules. Could Axman have handled it differently? Absolutely. Did it have to go that far? Not really. If it was that big of a deal, Dev or Axman could have waited for Cuc to show up, say "Wtf this isn't allowed" and take care of it.I just want something cleared up. I don't want to feel like a scab/traitor.
People have been criticizing the staff for being lenient on moderators or not disciplining them in public. Lee went against an administrator's decision, challenged him, and insulted him. Minus the reopening-of-the-thread, if anyone else had did that, they would have been disciplined.
Isn't that what we wanted? Equal treatment, disregarding your user status? I don't think Deverz needed to close that thread, but he really didn't do anything wrong. I'm just confused. We wanted moderators to be treated like everyone else and now its bad that Lee was banned insulting an administrator's life...?
You won't take my advice to heart unless there are warnings attached, why should I believe that 24 of you would suddenly listen to me now?Cuc's post annoyed me a bit, too. If we think the forum is dying or dead, we should just leave? Really? You're telling the remaining fanbase, ESF's diehard fans, to up and leave because they don't like what the forum has become? How is that not counterproductive? If the people who voted dying and dead took your advice to heart, this forum would've lost 24 active members. That isn't helping this forum and it sure as hell isn't helping the people who actually slave away to make 1.3 a reality.
And really, you guys should care if whether ESF is popular or not. If you're pissing off potential players, it's not longer just a forum issue. Now you're hurting the mod. I can't cite any specific examples of this happening because if it did, I obviously wouldn't hear from them, but it isn't farfetched.
How long are we going to blame Minion and the move to filefront? Minion didn't do anything other than leak a beta. If they did hurt the forum and the game, it was by releasing a product everyone felt was severely lacking, especially after there having had been many years of so called "development". I don't know if that was the most recent beta at the time, but it certainly wasn't too far off. The betas released afterwards in the...uh...long planned Open Beta you guys had been talking about long before the Minion incident (o.0) made that clear to everyone. In fact, the Open Beta probably did a lot of damage to the mod's credibility at that point in time.You won't take my advice to heart unless there are warnings attached, why should I believe that 24 of you would suddenly listen to me now?
That aside, my point wasn't that you should leave, its that *****ing about rules being the reason behind sudden downturns in the forum populace is bull****. Minion, the unsmooth move to filefront, and the decline of DragonBall Z on TV, in reverse order, are the reason we have a lightly active forum. This mod once enjoyed Toonami as free advertising, lightning fast response time under full load, and security. All of those have been compromised, and people who find rules constraining are never good for building a community and would chase away more people with free reign than they themselves leaving from boredom or banning.
As for Deverz, he has the right to act on his own. He's a full admin in his own right and needs no input from me. Lee always forgets that the mod/admin status comes with responsibility beyond your patrols. You, as staff, need to act as an example at all times or no one finds your authority plausible. While it's impossible to be perfect, blatant insubordination and flame threads are certainly running in the wrong direction with Olympic ardor.
I can't entirely tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but I'll reply to this snipit as if you're serious.The betas released afterwards in the...uh...long planned Open Beta you guys had been talking about long before the Minion incident (o.0) made that clear to everyone. In fact, the Open Beta probably did a lot of damage to the mod's credibility at that point in time.
Yeah, it was sarcasm. The official story at the time was the Open Beta had been in the planning stages long before the Minion thing, and was certainly not a result of the leak. Of course, we knew we were being lied to (as usual), and a lot of people were irritated by it. That irritation builds up over time and becomes anger and dissatisfaction, and then we have threads like this popping up.I can't entirely tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but I'll reply to this snipit as if you're serious.
I can only assume by the above comment that there was some misinformation given to the public.
There was no plan for an Open Beta. As you well know, Zeo, there was already one leak which had me working around the clock trying to contain it. After the Minion attack an "official" release was rushed, as it would be the best form of damage control we could mount. It should've been clear to anyone who played that there was not nearly as much progress as you'd been led to believe. As you said, I'm sure this didn't help in keeping the community active.
Now as for all this talk of being lenient. Have any of you in favor of this idea ever seen an unmoderated community? Worse yet, have you ever seen a community in chaos where the moderators only abuse their powers for e-peen gain? They don't tend to attract newcomers. It's only the same dÂ¡ckholes coming back over and over. You should be grateful that there is at least some form of structure here, as it will provide at a bit of stability to any newcomers who wish to join our ranks. While most of whatever Cuc says has some sort of self-serving spin on it (guess I had another rotten tomato afterall?), he's right in the fact that if the forums were left to their own designs, newcomers would be a rare occurance. He's also right when he said that this forum shouldn't be /b/ junior. If you don't think so, I have a few dozen longcats for you.
Speaking of unmoderated communities, seeing Deverz reminded me of something I found out about a long time ago. Do you remember this or this? You can thank a super moderator and an ex-head moderator for both.