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I've always been someone who followed the rules on this forum. I followed the rules to fullest extent, rarely breaking them. I even try helping the moderators and administrators by reporting bad posts that are breaking the rules. However, I have been warned a few times during my stay here at the forums, but I always apologized and told the moderator/administrator, "I'll do whatever it takes not to do it again". While that might seem extreme since the only warnings I received were for acting like a moderator, I meant what I said.
So, with that said, take the following for what it's worth from someone who doesn't like to break the rules.
During my entire stay here at the forums, I constantly kept myself restrained. Whenever a discussion came up regarding religion or politics, I did my best to keep myself from going all out. I did it to follow the rules and not to sound like I'm flaming another person's opinion. However, there's only so much one could restrain before having to bar yourself from replying again. I can understand how discussions regarding religion and politics should be civilized, I feel that a good majority of them have, but were closed anyway. I guess it's just a matter of opinion as to what is considered civilized.
If you want to know what my opinion of what a civilized discussion is, watch a few episodes of Real Time with Bill Maher. Bill Maher goes full out, speaking his mind with no restraint, bashing everyone lining themselves up in his sights. However, despite all the "flaming", it brings out the best in the argument and exposes the idiots and one-sided thinkers for who they are. Many of which refuse to think about their beliefs, opinions and stances from a different angle.
Then you have issue of flaming. The issue being what is considered flaming. I've been on a lot of forums and flaming to me is someone saying this:
The thing about arguments is there needs to be arguing, otherwise nothing will get done, nothing will be learned, no one will change. Simply sitting there agreeing to disagree isn't enough. You need to speak your mind to the fullest extent, with no hesitation. Unable to do so will leave you without being tested by others, thus leaving you exactly where you are, not advancing a step forward towards knowledge or wisdom.
I'm all for self-improvement. I read a lot of books on Martial Arts philosophy, Martial Arts, a few fictions books here and there. But what good is it if that knowledge can never be tested if I'm afraid to speak my mind to the fullest extent?
Anyway, this whole thing with Zeonix that popped up recently isn't why I'm writing this. I didn't come here on his behalf or to relay any messages from here. I'm merely speaking my own mind, which is something I rarely do on these forums. Interesting enough, this is the only forums where I restrain myself from speaking my mind. I'm not trying to cause trouble, I'm not trying to start a rebellion, I'm just speaking my mind.
I wish I could write more and speak my mind clearer, but this is the first time I've come close to speaking the fullest extent of my mind on this forum. But, believe me when I say, I'm just getting starting.
So, with that said, take the following for what it's worth from someone who doesn't like to break the rules.
During my entire stay here at the forums, I constantly kept myself restrained. Whenever a discussion came up regarding religion or politics, I did my best to keep myself from going all out. I did it to follow the rules and not to sound like I'm flaming another person's opinion. However, there's only so much one could restrain before having to bar yourself from replying again. I can understand how discussions regarding religion and politics should be civilized, I feel that a good majority of them have, but were closed anyway. I guess it's just a matter of opinion as to what is considered civilized.
If you want to know what my opinion of what a civilized discussion is, watch a few episodes of Real Time with Bill Maher. Bill Maher goes full out, speaking his mind with no restraint, bashing everyone lining themselves up in his sights. However, despite all the "flaming", it brings out the best in the argument and exposes the idiots and one-sided thinkers for who they are. Many of which refuse to think about their beliefs, opinions and stances from a different angle.
Then you have issue of flaming. The issue being what is considered flaming. I've been on a lot of forums and flaming to me is someone saying this:
And just leaving it at that without giving their own opinion on the matter. Somebody saying something like this:**** you, you ****ing idiot, you're really stupid, you don't know what you're talking about.
Which isn't flaming. Besides, if someone was saying the latter of the two quotes, then why punish those trying to carry on a good conversation? There will always be idiots like that every discussion. You just ignore them or tell them off. Not to mention a lot of forums leave those idiots to be destroyed by the other forum members.Look, you need to open your eyes and look at what everyone is telling you. Instead of being completely oblivious as to what everyone is telling you, you need to realize George Washington did not cut down a cherry tree nor could he not tell a lie.
The thing about arguments is there needs to be arguing, otherwise nothing will get done, nothing will be learned, no one will change. Simply sitting there agreeing to disagree isn't enough. You need to speak your mind to the fullest extent, with no hesitation. Unable to do so will leave you without being tested by others, thus leaving you exactly where you are, not advancing a step forward towards knowledge or wisdom.
I'm all for self-improvement. I read a lot of books on Martial Arts philosophy, Martial Arts, a few fictions books here and there. But what good is it if that knowledge can never be tested if I'm afraid to speak my mind to the fullest extent?
Anyway, this whole thing with Zeonix that popped up recently isn't why I'm writing this. I didn't come here on his behalf or to relay any messages from here. I'm merely speaking my own mind, which is something I rarely do on these forums. Interesting enough, this is the only forums where I restrain myself from speaking my mind. I'm not trying to cause trouble, I'm not trying to start a rebellion, I'm just speaking my mind.
I wish I could write more and speak my mind clearer, but this is the first time I've come close to speaking the fullest extent of my mind on this forum. But, believe me when I say, I'm just getting starting.