renzokou cool-down

[Pain]

i made a comment about this in the other forums and ive been asked a few times to submit it as a suggestion soooo here it is.

instead of having the charge time we all know and hate for vegetas renzokou, it should be a simple one click with a cool down. you fire off the 6-10 ki balls and are left drained (just as if you did a full charge of the attack. ) and cannot do this procedure again for 5 seconds (thats the cool-down part, 5 secs just for the sake of argument). this would give it the classic vegeta "im going to kill you without warning" berserker rage tantrum he does from time to time.

 

[SuperSaiyan]

why give it a cool down it already sux it takes half of vegetas ki bar to fire 6 ki blasts when u could probly fire 15 ki blasts as goku and only use half his ki bar

and also i think Goku and vegeta have same Ki since they r same hp same speed

 

[SaiyanPrideXIX]

I think Vegeta should just have a more aimed version of the scattershot, and it should have a cool down time if you fire a certain number of blasts. The resulting out of breath wheezing animation or whatever can last longer depending on how long you fired the attack. The cool-down will make it so you can't move for a few seconds, or move much slower; that way people wont' just hold down the button. Also, it should eat up ki like nobody's business.

As a Vegeta fan, this idea has my full support. hehe.

 

[Phatslugga]

Totally agree with you Pain, That's probably the most accurate way to modify this attack. Make it a little quicker than piccolo's scattershot, but give it a cool down rate. When he's drained, maybe instead of the 5 second limit, he should just be stunned or exhuasted for 5 seconds, meaning he cant move( or he can move extremely slowly) can't powerup until the cooldown period is over. Don't know either way it will be better with the cooldown rather than the charge time.

 

[KyLiK12]

how about he just shoots the blasts faster than anyone else... maybe make his kiblob bigger.. and his cooldown will be he has to recharge his ki cause it'll drain a lot of it.

 

[Phatslugga]

No, i like the cooldown idea, its much more accurate to the show, after he uses it in the show he's exhausted, and i think that a cooldown period would emphasize that so much more.

 

[b@dm0nk3h]

Maybe they should make the attack sequence longer, like have vegeta lock on the target with the renzoku crap and then unleash 15-20 ki balls one at a time like what he does in the show, make the sequence around 8-10 secs of firing then he will maybe drop to his knees (if on the ground) and gasp for air for a few secs then stand up again. Use the scene from the cell saga when he is ssj and trys to pummle cell with tons of ki blasts.

 

[KyLiK12]

sounds good...

 

[Nretep]

ever thought about the game balance ???
it had a reason the team did it as it is now
if would be unfair if Vegeta could fire 6 kiballs with just one click
ever looked the series when Vegeta did the renzoku ??? he CHARGED

PS: Goku has enough attacks

 

[Phatslugga]

Actually, i have watched the series, and vegeta doesn't charge before he does the renzoku, and if he does, its less than a second of charge time. He also doesn't only fire 6 ki balls, he fires hundreds. With the cool-down that pain suggested, it would be balanced, as vegeta would be vulnerable after an attack like that.

Please tell me exactly when he charged a renzoku.

 

[Hibiki]

shooting hundreds of ki balls with no charge time at all would be so unfairly cheap it would ruin esf

theres a reason renzoku has a charge instead of it being instant fire

 

[Phatslugga]

I wasn't suggesting for ESF to change vegeta's renzoku to fire 100 blasts, i was comparing the attack from the show to the attack in ESF currently. I think that vegeta should have a double rate of fire for his secondary ki blob attack, and this can only last for a few seconds becuase it quickly exhuasts him, or drains ki too quickly. I don't know what the reason for it being a charge attack could possibly be, it's far from the real attack

 

[darknavigator]

It could be like that, sorta like Solar Flare but there has to be another flaw or else everyone will shoot ki blasts like crazy.. maybe after using, exhausted (like someone mentioned) and VERY vulnerable..

 

[Phatslugga]

Yes, i mean after using this attack, you have 5 seconds of slow movement, no flying, no charging beams, no melee etc... Just basically the DBZ stlye kneel when anyone just threw a giant attack. So if you miss this attack the receiver is probably going to make you wish you hadn't. Even if he doesn't you'll be open to anyone.

 

[Pain]

incase anyone hasnt noticed... 6 ki blasts will not kill ANYONE.
if it forms a ki blob it wont seriously hurt you unless it pops, which usualy doesnt happen untill after you get out.
and incase you people forgot ki blasts are extremly easy to block as they require no struggle.

as it is right now vegeta is UNDER balanced.
people fire this stuff at me all the time and i rarely get hit. if vegeta were to have a suprise edge to this lets say, melee you to the floor switch to renzokou and plaster you with ki balls. it would be balanced. he has done this in the show, although it never seemed to kill anyone.

with my suggestion the "charge time" is still there but takes affect after the blast is fired. theres your balance.

also, ive never seen him "charge" a renzukou in the show. ive seen him yell in a fit of rage and THEN fly up and unleash it, but not charge. im not completely sure i agree with the "stunned" part that has come up in this thread. although it is accurate to the show, being stunned for any amount of time ingame is an eternity. i think just having to charge up your ki and wait for 5 seconds is enough, but thats just me.

 

[imported_MDave]

incase anyone hasnt noticed... 6 ki blasts will not kill ANYONE.
if it forms a ki blob it wont seriously hurt you unless it pops, which usualy doesnt happen untill after you get out.
and incase you people forgot ki blasts are extremly easy to block as they require no struggle.

as it is right now vegeta is UNDER balanced.
people fire this stuff at me all the time and i rarely get hit. if vegeta were to have a suprise edge to this lets say, melee you to the floor switch to renzokou and plaster you with ki balls. it would be balanced. he has done this in the show, although it never seemed to kill anyone.

with my suggestion the "charge time" is still there but takes affect after the blast is fired. theres your balance.

also, ive never seen him "charge" a renzukou in the show. ive seen him yell in a fit of rage and THEN fly up and unleash it, but not charge. im not completely sure i agree with the "stunned" part that has come up in this thread. although it is accurate to the show, being stunned for any amount of time ingame is an eternity. i think just having to charge up your ki and wait for 5 seconds is enough, but thats just me.

I like this idea a LOT. Seems more fun, yet stays balanced :]

 

[SoulStriker]

This seems to me to be a great idea. Iv been waiting for someone to say something like this! I am a hardcore vegeta fan, I use him ingame all the time, and seeing someone either "dodge" or "block" the current renzoku attack is just ludacris! I mean think about it, has anyone ever really swatted vegeta's attack away like that? not that iv seen. it always makes a huge dustcloud and he keeps on firing. This idea would give vegeta more of a fighting chance as a normal saiyan, since just about everyone transforms before he does (krillin and buu dont), so there flying around as transformed people, and he is stuck still with his crappier attacks. This would bring a bit more balance to the vegeta character, especially before he gets to transform.

 

[Final Vegeta]

Yeah i agree, + ppl that complain about lag if fired 12-15 ki shots is total bs, i mean a spirit bomb or a fully charged kamehameha/ff lags way more so stop it!!!!

For the rest in 1.2 MAKE THE SOUND WORK! It doesnt work for me, and i reinstalled AND replaced the sound tons o times didnt help @ all.

 

[DragonDude]

I think this would be a really good change.
Having to charge up to the minimum just to fire two blasts, when you could right click and shoot about 3 in that time... it kinda ruins the entire aspect of a "rapid energy blast".

 

[Nretep]

For the rest in 1.2 MAKE THE SOUND WORK! It doesnt work for me, and i reinstalled AND replaced the sound tons o times didnt help @ all.

hm ... what shall I say ???
first: YOU CAN WRITE WITHOUT CAPS, TOO ... WE WILL BE ABLE TO READ IT ... EVEN IF THE CHARS ARE SMALLER
we'll make the sound work ... we'll delete it
just think next time
this sound consists of Vegetas voice when he was making 9-10 KiBlasts ... do you know the renzoku in ESF ??? it sounds ugly if you stop the wav immedialty after Vegetas has finished ... harSens bound normal kiblast.wav in weapons dir