Religion And Conspiracy Thoeries

[TheJuiceMoose]

Come here to talk about your thoughts on religion and conspiracies. Please try to refrain from talking down on someone else however, as we do not want any fights happening. So Let's hear your ideas on 911, area 51 and religion!

 

[-Origin]

.....Jinx?

 

[Brosiris]

Welcome back Jinx. What's up?

 

[MC]

Religion - Glorified philosophy.
9/11 - Terrorists.
Area 51 - Aircraft testing and development facility.

 

[Brosiris]

Religion - Glorified philosophy.
9/11 - Terrorists.
Area 51 - Aircraft testing and development facility.

Well this thread is over. MC wins.

 

[Almighty_Gir]

religion IS a conspiracy theory.

 

[Damaera]

No need for a thread about all of this.

 

[TheJuiceMoose]

I can give you a good debate over 911. A very good debate.

First, there has never been a building in the united states recoded as falling down from a fire. What did the Wold Trade Centers supposedly fall down from? Fire.

Secondly, ever watch a demolition of an apartment or office complex. The world Trade Centers fell the exact same way.

Your right, no need, but it gives people something to do, doesn't it?

 

[Brosiris]

I can give you a good debate over 911. A very good debate.

First, there has never been a building in the united states recoded as falling down from a fire. What did the Wold Trade Centers supposedly fall down from? Fire.

Secondly, ever watch a demolition of an apartment or office complex. The world Trade Centers fell the exact same way.

Your right, no need, but it gives people something to do, doesn't it?

This post made me lol.

 

[Deman]

Now before you bring up the melting point of steel, as I'm sure you will, I will remind everyone that while jet engine fuel won't burn hot enough to burn steel, it will certainly make it hot enough to considerably weaken it.

If 911 was really an inside job, do you really think they'd destroy the buildings like a controlled implosion, or would they have made the bang as big as possible, taking out more people?. The entire mindset of an inside job means that more civilian deaths would mean a greater following of whoever planned it.

 

[Zeonix]

Now before you bring up the melting point of steel, as I'm sure you will, I will remind everyone that while jet engine fuel won't burn hot enough to burn steel, it will certainly make it hot enough to considerably weaken it.

If 911 was really an inside job, do you really think they'd destroy the buildings like a controlled implosion, or would they have made the bang as big as possible, taking out more people?. The entire mindset of an inside job means that more civilian deaths would mean a greater following of whoever planned it.

People originally thought at least 20,000 people had died that day, which may or may not have been the goal. 3000 dead is a miracle considering the location.

I don't know that the administration orchestrated the entire event, but they certainly allowed it to happen. It wasn't a surprise attack. There had been dozens of intelligence reports from around the world warning the administration of an impending disaster. What happened? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Everyone sat on their hands and waited, and when it finally happened, we miraculously had a war plan in no time, and then we magically found evidence that linked Saddam to 9/11, Osama, the Devil, Jake the Snake Roberts and Adrian Veidt. In fact, Saddam piloted the airplanes himself.

Could they have asked for tighter security in the days leading up to 9/11? Absolutely. Could they have caught the hijackers? Absolutely. But they chose not to. Whatever plans they had were written up long before 9/11, but they knew that without some kind of catastrophic event, no one would buy their bull****. Once said event happened, everyone would be far too angry and emotional to think clearly, and as long as you claimed you were going after the bad guys, they'd let you do as they please.

It was Pearl Harbor all over again, except without the good intentions.

I'm obviously ignoring all of the footage, including videos that show very obvious explosions on various floors, far from the crash site, and molten metal flowing out of the structure, which of course isn't possible, regardless of how much jet fuel was there.

 

[Spunky]

I feel like I have to post this.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

Because it's hilarious, it makes the most sense of anything I've read on the subject, and it's pretty much what I've always thought.

 

[L]

I don't know if it was plotted by the government. I may not want to know if it was, used to be zealot about it.
All I know is, they sure as hell profited from it and were awfully quick to point fingers to irrelevant targets.

 

[Zeonix]

I feel like I have to post this.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

Because it's hilarious, it makes the most sense of anything I've read on the subject, and it's pretty much what I've always thought.

That doesn't account for the government ignoring every intelligence report thrown at them, nor does it account for Rice receiving and ignoring a memo that quite clearly said Osama was going to lay the smackdown on America. The question is quite obviously, "Why did they ignore all of this data?" The current administration has lied about pretty much everything up to this point, so why are people giving them the benefit of the doubt? It doesn't make sense to me.

 

[MC]

It was Pearl Harbor all over again, except without the good intentions.

And like Pearl Harbor, there isn't enough evidence to conclude the government knew before hand.

 

[Zeonix]

And like Pearl Harbor, there isn't enough evidence to conclude the government knew before hand.

Try again:

http://www.inthesetimes.com/comments.php?id=340_0_1_0_C
http://www.baltimoresun.com/busines...9,0,2620591.story?coll=bal-business-headlines
http://www.newsweek.com/id/38176
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0MKY/is_2_28/ai_n6244885
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/16/attack/main509294.shtml

This was a site that linked to all of the articles as they published, but unfortunately, a lot of them have gone missing or were taken down. Some of them are still up, though, so check them out:

http://www.buzzflash.com/perspectives/911bush.html

And just for ****s and giggles, an article on Bush knowing Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 10 days after the attack:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/bush-knew-no-iraq-link-pre911-report/2005/11/23/1132703230171.html

Edit: I'm going to stop adding links now, but if someone were to take the time to look for the information, it becomes pretty ****ing obvious they knew.

 

[L]

And like Pearl Harbor, there isn't enough evidence to conclude the government knew before hand.

-Had something else written here similar to Nix', except an added 'This is a point in time where information can be accessed through the tips of our fingers.' etc.-

people take that low substantial evidence and make a quick buck through **** videos online, like right now I have the capabilities to make thousands of dollars through a well-constructed hour and half video containing a conspiracy, as long as I narrate it in a serious manner to make it believable. (To the simpletons)

I don't want to be the next Dylan Avery. No matter the amount of money.

Edit- With a voice like mine, it just may sound quite convincing rofl. http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=KSTOb0FPDNU

 

[Zeonix]

I'm not even going to take the WAKE UP SHEEPLE route. When I talk about 9/11, I use what's in the public domain to damn the bush administration. All of the documents (not Alex Jones "BUSH IS AN ALIEN" bull****, but actual documents from either the CIA, FBI, the government itself or our from our allies) are out there if people would only take the time to look for them.

 

[DiebytheSword]

As a person who works with metal professionally, I will say that the jet fuel did chemically change the steel. Steel that gets that hot begins to collect carbon atoms from the fire. This is what we call carbide, or carbon steel. Carbon Steel is very hard, but it's also very brittle. Once it gets this way, the wind shear against the towers would have been enough to break the I beams. How do I know? Because carbide cutters at work are so brittle that if you drop them on the concrete floor, they will shatter like a clay bowl.

The magical temperature at which steel becomes brittle? One half of it's melting point, curiously the temperature which all the conspiracy theory lovers cite as the burning temp of JPL.

 

[Zeonix]

I don't argue about the logistics of the towers falling, simply because I'm not well versed in any of the fields required to make an educated guess as to what happened.

But since you know what you're talking about, what circumstances would have led to molten metal? This isn't a loaded question. I just hear people throwing it around a lot and I'm not completely sure of the significance short of "It shouldn't have been possible under those circumstances.", which I don't necessarily know to be the case.

Here's a quick link that cites various sources that mention molten metal, although I suppose it doesn't offer any opinions on the matter, so it isn't particularly helpful outside of confirming witness testimony:

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/moltensteel.html