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which one is powerful?
I'm sure you mean a 7950GX2? which is sli on one stick and uses more powe then a X1950XTX. With the power load difference being tiny between competing products in the same intended market, it adds very little money to a power bill regardless of which one consumes more power (unless it was seriously flawed).Pemalite said:The ATI Card is more powerfull, Yet Nvidia Geforce 7 7950GTX Beats it hands down
Price/Performance crown goes to Nvidia.
The better drivers also goto Nvidia!
ATI Royally pissed me off when they refused to have the added support for all their non-direct x 9.0 cards. (Like the Radeon 9200).
Nvidia still has support for the Old TNT cards in their drivers!
For me Nvidia is awsome performance at a great price point And I dont need 50 billion drivers to support All of their Graphix cards. And If I remember rightly, the ATI card uses more power me-thinks! Which adds to your electricity bill
Yes you do, 8800GTX.Cucumba said:For the most part, Nvidia is what you want for a two card solution, and ATi is what you want for a single card. Nvidia and ATi's top offerings are literally milliseconds behind eachother, and I promise you won't notice a difference. LOL, kids.
Don't be fooled, the 8800GTX is the next category up, which ATi has not yet released. I'm talking about equally footed classing, but you can play with numbers how you like fanboy.Devion said:Yes you do, 8800GTX.
And yes the image quality dramatically improved and kicks X1950XTX Crossfires ass with the latest driver.
Sorry to say this Cucumba but your logic is flawed.Cucumba said:Don't be fooled, the 8800GTX is the next category up, which ATi has not yet released. I'm talking about equally footed classing, but you can play with numbers how you like fanboy.
As for Prides comments, I still ascertain that you will not notice a difference between top line cards in the same category.
If people are done being ignorant, I'll be on my way.
Get a bunch of goggles, as I said you should compare models on base of PRICE. If an Athlon XP would be 350 dollars and you compare E6600(Which is about 350 dollars), it would be a perfect comparison. Unless you want to say that you never look at the price of hardware.Cucumba said:You are being ignorant, because you are comparing different model years. Thus my logic is completely fine.
Lets use cars as an example. If you compare the 84 Corvette to the 2006 Ford GT, of course the Ford GT will win hands down. Compare the Vette Z06 from 2006, and the race is a whole lot tighter. My point being that it matters what stepping of technology you are on. You are supposing that I should compare a Core Duo to my old Athlon XP, nothing more nothing less.
Then keep on dreaming. Besides why would you wait on a DirectX 10 ATi card? It's DriectX 9(.c ) performance we are talking about, because you cant make a statement of DirectX 10 performance since there arent benchmarks or games released with DirectX 10 support.Cucumba said:I will continue to do no such thing, and untill a DirectX 10 class card surfaces from ATi, my point is not only valid, but correct.
So what do you KNOW of videocards? Technical specification? (M)architecture? Hardware-Software capabilities?Cucumba said:If you want to take a more mature, informed stance on the video cards, I'm willing to listen. Untill then you remain a child, and you remain ignorant.
It didn't help you much.Cucumba said:Lets step back a moment and not forget that out of everyone in this thread, I am the only one with college and trade school education on the subject.
"I will hand your ass to you", I think I said enough, man.Cucumba said:Not to mention, boy, that if you attempt to socially correct me again, I will hand your ass to you.
Oh dear mother jehosifat.Cucumba said:"LOL Kids" points to the fact that you are all having pissing contests over a frame or two of animation your mind cannot comprehend in the first place, or 10 milliseconds, that MILLIONTHS OF A SECOND, that you can't percieve either. Rest assured, when the R600 cores arrive, I will merrily laugh at your digital bravado, and not even bother being justified because I know already that I'm right.
You make it sound almost like a political discussion.Cucumba said:As for ignorant, the burden of proof now lies on you, Devion, prove to me that you are not by intelligently telling me why I should compare technology in one class from one in another. And before I forget, don't tell me that all that matters is what's out now. Rest assured, ATi's DX10 card will be out shortly.
Oh yes wise man. *kuch*Cucumba said:Deny ignorance, it physically harms you.
The Geforce 7950 GT is more powerful in most cases, as reported in Gamespot's 2006 video roundup(they benchmarked and tested all the current and old Geforce and ATI cards)uncover bunker said:which one is powerful?
Then have fun comparing apples to oranges.Devion said:Get a bunch of goggles, as I said you should compare models on base of PRICE. If an Athlon XP would be 350 dollars and you compare E6600(Which is about 350 dollars), it would be a perfect comparison. Unless you want to say that you never look at the price of hardware.
In fact, that was my very choice, and I have one installed on my computer now. I can agree with this point, and it's well thought out. This is not a comparison of what should be bought, it was a direct comparison of two cards, and I pointed out that the top offering of both companies is usually marginally faster or slower, not titanically. The 8800 is a step up, it's counterpart is missing.I mean if you have to choose between a X1900XT 256MB version for 250 dollars or a X1950XTX 512MB, which isnt that much faster, I would choose the X1900XT 256MB. More bang for the buck.
We agree here.But if you would compare them purely on performance it isnt fair to say that a 500 euro rig is not as faster as a 1800 euro rig. Yeah well duh with that kind of money you can buy more expensive and faster components and its only logic that it will be faster.
And you somehow beleive that ATi's DX10 class card will not prove to be the 8800's neighbor? Explain this irrational logic, as history is proving you pretty wrong.Then keep on dreaming. Besides why would you wait on a DirectX 10 ATi card? It's DriectX 9(.c ) performance we are talking about, because you cant make a statement of DirectX 10 performance since there arent benchmarks or games released with DirectX 10 support.
The 5xxx series is the one card I can remember going back that was really, really bad compared to it's competition. (Barring of course the Matrox, SiS, et al entries.)If you want to buy a futureproof videocard, I suggest you wait until there are actual DirectX 10 benchmarks and games. You dont want to make the same mistake that I made with the Geforce FX serie.(I still have nightmares about my Geforce FX 5600 ;p)
Oh dear god, not shown up by an internet "hardware guru"!Now for the next arguments I'll take them down one by one.
Since my focus was in hardware engineering, far more than most of you people here, even if you read trade magazines.So what do you KNOW of videocards? Technical specification? (M)architecture? Hardware-Software capabilities?
Now you need the goggles, I said you were ignorant, perhaps foolish, but never devoid of knowledge on the subject, but thank you for putting ideas in my head and words in my mouth. You shouldn't compare them because they are not in the same class, which has been my argument all along. This is a discussion about power, not economics. Further the undertone was always that of the constant fanboy war between the two manufacturers. They both will have a card, roughly in the same class, and same price range, that should be compared.Now if you quit assuming that I know absolutely nothing about videocards and give a proper response why I shouldnt compare a 2x X1950XTX and 8800GTX. The 2x X1950XTX is even more expensive then the 8800GTX.
It's not, you insist on comparing apples to oranges. We are talking performance, not price. The 8xxx cards will win hands down because there is no equivalent ATi card yet. When that card arrives, my point will be valid. You are dancing firmly around my original ascertation that two cards in the same class from both companies will be so close to eachother that the difference will be negligable. You stormed into this thread and attempted to correct Moore's Law, not just me. If the x1900 and 7900 cards were close in performance, then their descendants 18 months down the road will be too, unless some ungodly mismanagement of the supporting systems (busses, for example) turns horridly wrong. (Hello, 5xxx series.)Despite of the which looks you like of a car, you dont compare a million euro car with one which is 10.000 euro. You compare them in terms of pricing.
Also technology is constantly compared to each other. Electric cars to diesel cars. Or to take a little leap back in time, steamturbine boats with diesel boats.
Why is it that its different with videocards?
Hello to skating on thin ice, one more comment like that and it's a warning. Kids is one thing, ignorance is another, insinuating that my education fails me is another entirely. Not only that but you outright called me immature, which is conjecture, unlike my calling of your age, which is fact.It didn't help you much.
This was not an empty threat, keep it up."I will hand your ass to you", I think I said enough, man.
ATM, great abbreviation, also a conssesion to my point, and Moore's Law. You know full well the DX10 ATi card will perform similar, be it lower or higher, than the Nvidia card just released.First of all 8800GTX is consiberably faster then 2x X1950XTX(ATi's strongest setup atm). Now it wouldn't matter if the speed difference wasn't noticable but it is. Second of all the 8800GTX is cheaper. Thirdly, FINALLY nVidia improved it's quality setting. Especially people would like to play everything full out with a 24 inch LCD it's a blessing.
We are having some serious failure to communicate here. My point of contention is that you should compare the Nvidia 8xxx to the R600 cards when they arrive for an accurate comparison based on the spirit of this thread. You are saying something akin to, well, look at how the 360 whips the Slimline PS2, even though both are currently the top offerings of their respective brands. When the R600 comes out, my point will be validated, and Moore's Law once again vindicated, and you will have been wrong to assail my opinion.And to be now just plain blunt, mr Admin, I NEVER said ANYTHING about the R600, except for the fact it isnt out. So please explain to me why you would laugh in my face when the R600 is coming out? Dont ignore it, EXPLAIN WHY.
You might see me somehow as a nVidia fanboy, but I'm not. I'm a hardware freak and that's all to it. I advise people on which hardware they should choose on almost a daily basis. And most of the time its an ATi videocard.(X1900XT 256MB to be exact)[/qoute]
You've given the burden of proof that you are not a fanboy, and obviously that you are not ignorant of hardware to a degree. What baffles me is why you would support an ascertation that you know will give tainted results. If you are buying a card right now, there is no question that it should be the 8xxx, however, that will not be the case in less than six months, garaunteed. Whatever monstrosity Nvidia has then as it's top card, will be matched by something equally monsterous from ATi.
On that note, your ascertation that I should include SiS and the other bit players is a complete smoke and mirrors trick. Thanks for trying though. I said two companies, not all of them, as XGI, Intel and SiS are way behind the curve on technology.As I stated now for the 4th time, technology difference doesn't matter. I mean I suppose the lastest XGI and S3 videocards, with your logic are extremely fast, compared to a Geforce 5900Ultra or a Radeon 9800 Pro.
And the reason both cards couldn't be tested with SM2.0? Oh wait, you just proved my point. Don't compare DX10 cards to DX9 cards. Oh yeah, I forgot use DX9 . . . wait a tic, I'm right again. Your final point supports my original argument, are we done now?Or you couldnt compare the X850XT with a 6800Ultra, since the X850XT didnt have SM3.0. Different technology, cant compare!
As you see that is NO way of comparing.
It's not apples and oranges, it would be if I compared DirectX 10 performance on the 8800GTX and DirectX 9 performance on the X1950XTX with each other.Cucumba said:Then have fun comparing apples to oranges.
Ehum, Geforce FX 5900Ultra vs Radeon 9800 Pro, the Radeon 9800 Pro was (semi)titanically faster in true DirectX 9. It happens.Cucumba said:In fact, that was my very choice, and I have one installed on my computer now. I can agree with this point, and it's well thought out. This is not a comparison of what should be bought, it was a direct comparison of two cards, and I pointed out that the top offering of both companies is usually marginally faster or slower, not titanically. The 8800 is a step up, it's counterpart is missing.
I did not say that. I said till the R600 isn't out, the X1950XTX is 8800GTX counterpart or metaphorical neighbour.Cucumba said:And you somehow beleive that ATi's DX10 class card will not prove to be the 8800's neighbor? Explain this irrational logic, as history is proving you pretty wrong.
Couldn't agree more. So that's why I'm not saying anything about the R600, unlike you who is making statements; "Rest assured, when the R600 cores arrive, I will merrily laugh at your digital bravado, and not even bother being justified because I know already that I'm right.".Cucumba said:The 5xxx series is the one card I can remember going back that was really, really bad compared to it's competition. (Barring of course the Matrox, SiS, et al entries.)
So because the 8800GTX and X1950XTX is different in specs/technology, you cant compare it? Rather redicolous.Cucumba said:Since my focus was in hardware engineering, far more than most of you people here, even if you read trade magazines.
What makes you can fit thing into imaginary classes? Hell then the Geforce 6xxx serie never had competition until the X1 series, because the X serie didnt support SM2.0!(To make it clear, I'm being sarcastic)Cucumba said:Now you need the goggles, I said you were ignorant, perhaps foolish, but never devoid of knowledge on the subject, but thank you for putting ideas in my head and words in my mouth. You shouldn't compare them because they are not in the same class, which has been my argument all along. This is a discussion about power, not economics. Further the undertone was always that of the constant fanboy war between the two manufacturers. They both will have a card, roughly in the same class, and same price range, that should be compared.
Why would you take cards of about the same performance? Hey the X1900XT is almost as fast as a 7900GTX!Cucumba said:It's not, you insist on comparing apples to oranges. We are talking performance, not price. The 8xxx cards will win hands down because there is no equivalent ATi card yet. When that card arrives, my point will be valid. You are dancing firmly around my original ascertation that two cards in the same class from both companies will be so close to eachother that the difference will be negligable. You stormed into this thread and attempted to correct Moore's Law, not just me. If the x1900 and 7900 cards were close in performance, then their descendants 18 months down the road will be too, unless some ungodly mismanagement of the supporting systems (busses, for example) turns horridly wrong. (Hello, 5xxx series.)
Who was the one who invoked fanboy in this topic? Who started name calling? Who started the "boy" calling? Who was it who directly transformed this part of the topic in a fanboy discussion?Cucumba said:Hello to skating on thin ice, one more comment like that and it's a warning. Kids is one thing, ignorance is another, insinuating that my education fails me is another entirely. Not only that but you outright called me immature, which is conjecture, unlike my calling of your age, which is fact.
Moore's law has nothing to do with this.Cucumba said:ATM, great abbreviation, also a conssesion to my point, and Moore's Law. You know full well the DX10 ATi card will perform similar, be it lower or higher, than the Nvidia card just released.
Again Moore's law has nothing to do with it.Cucumba said:We are having some serious failure to communicate here. My point of contention is that you should compare the Nvidia 8xxx to the R600 cards when they arrive for an accurate comparison based on the spirit of this thread. You are saying something akin to, well, look at how the 360 whips the Slimline PS2, even though both are currently the top offerings of their respective brands. When the R600 comes out, my point will be validated, and Moore's Law once again vindicated, and you will have been wrong to assail my opinion.
First of all, dont make assumptions that the R600 will defintely is faster. As it looks to be faster on paper, we all know the Geforce FX event.Cucumba said:You've given the burden of proof that you are not a fanboy, and obviously that you are not ignorant of hardware to a degree. What baffles me is why you would support an ascertation that you know will give tainted results. If you are buying a card right now, there is no question that it should be the 8xxx, however, that will not be the case in less than six months, garaunteed. Whatever monstrosity Nvidia has then as it's top card, will be matched by something equally monsterous from ATi.
Why exactly, because it debunks your caterogy theory?Cucumba said:On that note, your ascertation that I should include SiS and the other bit players is a complete smoke and mirrors trick. Thanks for trying though. I said two companies, not all of them, as XGI, Intel and SiS are way behind the curve on technology.
First of all they could BOTH be tested with SM2.0, not SM3.0. But I'll assume that's a typo.Cucumba said:And the reason both cards couldn't be tested with SM2.0? Oh wait, you just proved my point. Don't compare DX10 cards to DX9 cards. Oh yeah, I forgot use DX9 . . . wait a tic, I'm right again. Your final point supports my original argument, are we done now?
Maybe this is more clear.Or you couldnt compare the X850XT with a 6800Ultra, since the X850XT didnt have SM3.0. Different technology, cant compare!
As you see that is NO way of comparing.