question about the andriods

[Gohan Ssj]

Got a few questions about the Androids –

If our heroes, the Z fighters, are insanely strong and able to destroy worlds (talking about the Sayinas and the Namek of course), then how the hell Vegeta had trouble with Android 18 and Piccolo with 17? They are made of metal, and metal isn't supposed to cause any problems at all, I mean ffs, the guy is a super sayian and Namek!

Now, you're probably thinking of Cell, well he's a different story, since he is android and living organism combined, so that makes sense to me, plus hesucked all the energy from thousand of people.

I really don't understand how it's possible for these Androids to beat our heroes, and I think that theres a lot of mistakes sort to speak, throughout the show, where the Z fighters are seen with unbelievable powers, but yet, get hurt or feel pain from the smallest of things.

btw - drunk as hell right now, sorry for the bad English

 

[Big Finish]

Got a few questions about the Androids –

If our heroes, the Z fighters, are insanely strong and able to destroy worlds (talking about the Sayinas and the Namek of course), then how the hell Vegeta had trouble with Android 18 and Piccolo with 17? They are made of metal, and metal isn't supposed to cause any problems at all, I mean ffs, the guy is a super sayian and Namek!

Now, you're probably thinking of Cell, well he's a different story, since he is android and living organism combined, so that makes sense to me, plus hesucked all the energy from thousand of people.

I really don't understand how it's possible for these Androids to beat our heroes, and I think that theres a lot of mistakes sort to speak, throughout the show, where the Z fighters are seen with unbelievable powers, but yet, get hurt or feel pain from the smallest of things.

btw - drunk as hell right now, sorry for the bad English

Umm...you do have a point, but the androids are not metal completely. They are maybe reinforced titanium structures bonded with other organic and inorganic substances to create something entirely new that can be comparable to our DBZ heroes' muscles. And, Doctor Gero wouldn't give us his secret formula about that. So..who knows what they are exactly made of. But rest assured they are not made out from the kinds that you find in a regular junkyard.

 

[Grega]

Cause the translators ****ed up.

Their original names were C18 and C 17. They are cyborgs not androids. But the english translation changed that to A17 and A18 and made them to be androids when they were initially thought to be cyborgs.

And as you know cyborgs are enhanced human beeings not artificialy created ones like androids.

The only actuall Android was 16 who was a compleete robot. Though if you want to debate toughness then know that in DBZ they allways have a KI barrier round them. This is best seen with Goku SSJ VS Frieza fight where you see small rocks impacting that barrier on Goku. That barrier is what protects them from strong attacks and impacts that shatter rocks. So when they wear down that barrier allso becomes weaker. In reality their bodeys cant withstand all those impacts going on, the barrier thats ptotecting them is a different storey though.

 

[Big Finish]

Cool man Grega..you really pack a punch..

 

[Killface]

The only actual Android was 16 who was a complete robot.

Android 16 was a cyborg also, not an android. He had living tissue over a metal endo-skeleton. Much like a T-800.

 

[Gohan Ssj]

Still doesn't explain how they can defeat Vegeta so easily... You'd figure that if someone trained at f'ing 300 times earth gravity, he will be able to defeat a piece of metal, no matter how advanced it is.

 

[KYnetiK]

guess what... ITS A COMIC BOOK, spawned from a mind twisted by excess liquor and porn magazines. I find it rather silly to be debating fiction.

 

[Grega]

Im preety sure i made a post in here about why 16 isnt a cyborg. So a small recap. 16 is primarily a robot who has tissue on him. Hes like Data from star track and the terminator. Those are all androids. Mascheenes created to mimic humans. 17 and 18 were originally human beeings and got "upgraded" with artificial parts making them cyborgs.

In any case. How its possible. Simple. Cell and Buu sagas were not even originally planned. Goku was supposed to die along with Frieza on namek. The end.

Universal tyrant killed by legendary Super saiyan. the darn thing was making to much so it got continued end ended up with a crapy storyline and bogus arcs.

 

[Gohan Ssj]

guess what... ITS A COMIC BOOK, spawned from a mind twisted by excess liquor and porn magazines. I find it rather silly to be debating fiction.

Don't post I you don't have anything to add to the debate.

 

[Grega]

Don't post I you don't have anything to add to the debate.

He did add to debate.

You asked why. He gave the correct reason. Cause its made up. Dont compare the manga/anime to the laws of physics that govern this world. Heck just training in 5 times earths gravity would end up in heart faliure. Why didnt they die. Cause it isnt real. Its made up.

His post is perfectly valid and 100% on the mark.

 

[Gohan Ssj]

He did add to debate.

You asked why. He gave the correct reason. Cause its made up. Dont compare the manga/anime to the laws of physics that govern this world. Heck just training in 5 times earths gravity would end up in heart faliure. Why didnt they die. Cause it isnt real. Its made up.

His post is perfectly valid and 100% on the mark.

Of course I'm not comparing anything on that show to the real world. All I'm saying is, that according to the DBZ world, something things are contradicting the others, and they are inconsistence. Even in the COMIC BOOK there are some laws.

 

[Grega]

As i told you. DBZ was supposed to end with Goku killing Frieza on Namek and dieing in the explosion himself as the legendary SSJ. Nothing after Frieza saga was planned. Toryiama probably just went with what he thought up 10 minutes before he did it. You can notice that since the storyline stops existing and it becomes a random battle story.

And i allso answered you. They are not made out of metal. They are organic. They are enhanced humans or cyborgs rather than robotic replicas or androids.

 

[Gohan Ssj]

As i told you. DBZ was supposed to end with Goku killing Frieza on Namek and dieing in the explosion himself as the legendary SSJ. Nothing after Frieza saga was planned. Toryiama probably just went with what he thought up 10 minutes before he did it. You can notice that since the storyline stops existing and it becomes a random battle story.

And i allso answered you. They are not made out of metal. They are organic. They are enhanced humans or cyborgs rather than robotic replicas or androids.

Storyline stopped existing? I like the rest of the show a lot better, then Friezas sagas. I think that if anything it just evolved from there on

Whatever sort of equipment is used on the androids, the z fighters shouldn't have any problems with them. It just doesn't add up, but whatever.

 

[Disguise]

Well you're assuming that what they're made of is weaker than the human body. I mean by organic theory, nameks should be stronger than saiyajins because their bodies can repair themselves, right? Weren't the androids made of namek and saiyajin DNA as well? So there ya go.

 

[Gohan Ssj]

Well you're assuming that what they're made of is weaker than the human body. I mean by organic theory, nameks should be stronger than saiyajins because their bodies can repair themselves, right? Weren't the androids made of namek and saiyajin DNA as well? So there ya go.

No, android 18 and 17 weren't made of anything of Namek and Sayian DNA, only Cell was. Besides, Sayains aren't human, their bodies are different and better, and its all about the PL, as harder you train the higher your PL gets, therefore, Sayains are stronger than Nameks.

 

[Grega]

About the storyline:

The story of Dragonball follows Goku who is one of the last Saiyans. A race destroyed by a tyrant. He was sent to earth where he grew and learned martial arts. Basically Dragonball itself is allready the story. Goku growing up along with the mysteries of his tail, turning into an ape and not to mention the fated encounter with Piccolo. Then the seecrets get revealed. Goku is a Saiyan and they learn that Piccolo and Kami are Nameks. Then Goku has to face his desteny to avenge his entire race when he battles Frieza. The legend of the Super Sayian comes True within Goku himself and he defeats his enemy before the planet blows up and killing him forming a new legend. Thats the storyline. The rest was as random as DBGT. The Storyline ended with Frieza. But if you want to think of contradictions. Dr.Gero was aprt of the red Ribbon army. His inventions were uncapable of stipping Goku as a kid. Yet somehow he was able to produce new creations stronger than a Super Saiyan. Nt to forget that Goku as a Kid probably had a PL of round 100 where in his adult SSJ form he probably had over 10 million. Or Trunks himself. He comes 20 years in the future, where is Buu? Do you really think that androids killing people would affect Babidi comming to Earth and ressurrecting Buu?

Now to the androids toughness:

I told you that the charactrs in DBZ have a KI barrier round them at all times. That barrier is what gives them their toughness. The androids are capable of using the Ki barrier as much as Goku and the group. Metal or bone make no difference thre.

 

[Darth Revan]

GREGA YOUR LOGIC IS INCREDIBLE

 

[Gohan Ssj]

About the storyline:
Or Trunks himself. He comes 20 years in the future, where is Buu? Do you really think that androids killing people would affect Babidi comming to Earth and ressurrecting Buu?

Trunks changed the future of that timeline when he journey back and warned Goku of the upcoming androids, therefore alternating the story line, and making it the one we know. Because of that you can debate about the resurrecting of Buu in that time line. Maybe Babidi was killed by them, when they randomly burned down cities. We don't know.

Now to the androids toughness:

I told you that the charactrs in DBZ have a KI barrier round them at all times. That barrier is what gives them their toughness. The androids are capable of using the Ki barrier as much as Goku and the group. Metal or bone make no difference thre.

Alright, that's the answer I was looking for.

 

[Grega]

Alright, that's the answer I was looking for.

That was the answer i gave you in my first reply in this thread.

 

[Gohan Ssj]

That was the answer i gave you in my first reply in this thread.

Right..