I've done too much research on this...My friend and I have been at this for hours on end. I'm on ESF ECX RC2, i have the big pack 8.4 installed correctly. I know this because I've got the dragonballs numerous times and summoned the dragon for the moon or power whatever it may be. I read to go ssj4, you have to have 10 mill PL at BASE form, i have done this, next, hurt yourself to 15 and below. My health is currently 8. Next try transforming and you'll go either GT vegeta or kid goku. I do this with vegeta and i always just go to ssj1...WTF am i doing wrong? My friend has done this process with goku, we've summoned the dragon many times and had a moon going but nothing is kicking in like it should. How do i solve this?