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Well here you go android nerds start bashing:



btw, those who say htc is superior to iphone in EVERY way never heard of costumer value I guess....
 
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btw, those who say htc is superior to iphone in EVERY way never heard of costumer value I guess....
customer value is relative, whereas product specifications are exactly that: specific.

the majority of android phones are >>> iphone.

that said, i have an xperia x10. it's nice, i like it. the lack of multi-touch is a bit rubbish though.
 
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customer value is relative, whereas product specifications are exactly that: specific.

the majority of android phones are >>> iphone.

that said, i have an xperia x10. it's nice, i like it. the lack of multi-touch is a bit rubbish though.
Yeah but that's the point, you don't just buy a phone for specs right? You buy it to use it, and you might be able to use on in ways that you can't the other. So stating that one is superior to the other is a question of opinion. But you can say that from a hardware point of view it is (even that can be argued) but you can't say one is better period.
 
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Yeah but that's the point, you don't just buy a phone for specs right? You buy it to use it, and you might be able to use on in ways that you can't the other. So stating that one is superior to the other is a question of opinion. But you can say that from a hardware point of view it is (even that can be argued) but you can't say one is better period.
you're right in some respects, but as an overall argument you'll find you're quite off base.

the biggest argument FOR iphones, is their "open" api, and the fact that it "just works". the later being the most used phrase i've heard to describe apple products in general. i get it, it's a great sales pitch, and it works well for the majority of people who're not in the slightest bit tech-savvy. for example, my girlfriend got an iphone because she liked the idea of having music on her phone, had heard good reviews, and liked the fact that it plugs into itunes and "just works".

and then the following happened:
she could only buy official apple cables, or slightly cheaper, but still more expensive than a regular usb cable.
she could only use itunes, software that is bloaty and just outright... well... outragious for what it is.
when the itunes software itself bugs out, there's nothing you can do. you can't sync the phone, you can't repair anything, you just have to wait on apple and be done with it.
the phones backup management system is absolutely diabolical. my girlfriend is a writer, and she constantly types up notes on her phone. after making countless backups, her phone was "wiped" during a sync after downloading the latest version of iTunes, and the backups all became corrupt. you have never seen the tears of someone who's life and soul was just gone in an instant, especially when "backups" are supposed to be secure... after all, that's why you back it up, right?
there's no replacement battery. if your iphones battery starts to degrade (and some do), like one of my friends. you have to pay almost as much as a new iphone to have the battery replaced. batteries fall under "consumables" within the warrenty of the phone, and only have a 3 month replacement limit.
development costs for apps. it costs a (relatively) large amount to become a developer of iphone apps. even for simple, small things that could make your life easier, or even other peoples lives easier. not to mention, the dev tools themselves aren't all that user friendly. and to actually ship things to the istore, you MUST own a mac, or at least know a friend with one.
the cost of the phone, whether on a contract or buying outright, is very high for what you're getting.
ipod, and even iphone technology have never been truly innovative. they're usually the first to bring it to mass market, but that doesn't mean they came up with it. and usually the first generation of whatever they bring out suffer because of this "omg let's get this out now" attitude they have.



when you compare that to the android system, where:
every phone uses a standard usb, or micro usb cable
has interchangable batteries (or parts in general)
are cheaper
have truly open source technology for development
drag and drop interface for REAL backup management
can play music
can go on the internet
can do everything an iphone does, and better.


then really, the initial statement was correct. people buy the iphone because they either:
1. are too stupid to know better.
2. are too stupid to realise that brand means nothing.
 
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I do agree that apple likes to "control" you with their stuff, for example the way iTunes behaves, I wouldn't even let it touch my hard drive if it weren't for the iphone needing it. And although I do own, I do not actually think it's better then some android phones. But there are aspects that I find more appealing, and reason that might not seem obvious. For instance I really like how everything is kept in sync. Downloading a movie in vuze is automatically transcoded to itunes and synched to the phone. Also, a lot of friends around me use it, meaning that a lot of apps can be used in sync and so on.

Also, it's really hard to argue that apple has always been about quality and design, which is not always the case for the rest, Windows is extremely customizable while the mac is more reliable - kinda the same thing for phones. And although I have to put up with iTunes, and wouldn't really consider it part of the iphone.

Anyways if you boil it down, it's really just a matter of taste and personal needs, both have a lot of pros and cons I guess. I consider myself somewhat of a tecchie, but I never actually used an android phone for a longer period of time, so I really don't want to make conclusive statements about their comparisons :)
 
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you're right in some respects, but as an overall argument you'll find you're quite off base.

the biggest argument FOR iphones, is their "open" api, and the fact that it "just works". the later being the most used phrase i've heard to describe apple products in general. i get it, it's a great sales pitch, and it works well for the majority of people who're not in the slightest bit tech-savvy. for example, my girlfriend got an iphone because she liked the idea of having music on her phone, had heard good reviews, and liked the fact that it plugs into itunes and "just works".

and then the following happened:
she could only buy official apple cables, or slightly cheaper, but still more expensive than a regular usb cable.
she could only use itunes, software that is bloaty and just outright... well... outragious for what it is.
when the itunes software itself bugs out, there's nothing you can do. you can't sync the phone, you can't repair anything, you just have to wait on apple and be done with it.
the phones backup management system is absolutely diabolical. my girlfriend is a writer, and she constantly types up notes on her phone. after making countless backups, her phone was "wiped" during a sync after downloading the latest version of iTunes, and the backups all became corrupt. you have never seen the tears of someone who's life and soul was just gone in an instant, especially when "backups" are supposed to be secure... after all, that's why you back it up, right?
there's no replacement battery. if your iphones battery starts to degrade (and some do), like one of my friends. you have to pay almost as much as a new iphone to have the battery replaced. batteries fall under "consumables" within the warrenty of the phone, and only have a 3 month replacement limit.
development costs for apps. it costs a (relatively) large amount to become a developer of iphone apps. even for simple, small things that could make your life easier, or even other peoples lives easier. not to mention, the dev tools themselves aren't all that user friendly. and to actually ship things to the istore, you MUST own a mac, or at least know a friend with one.
the cost of the phone, whether on a contract or buying outright, is very high for what you're getting.
ipod, and even iphone technology have never been truly innovative. they're usually the first to bring it to mass market, but that doesn't mean they came up with it. and usually the first generation of whatever they bring out suffer because of this "omg let's get this out now" attitude they have.



when you compare that to the android system, where:
every phone uses a standard usb, or micro usb cable
has interchangable batteries (or parts in general)
are cheaper
have truly open source technology for development
drag and drop interface for REAL backup management
can play music
can go on the internet
can do everything an iphone does, and better.


then really, the initial statement was correct. people buy the iphone because they either:
1. are too stupid to know better.
2. are too stupid to realise that brand means nothing.


Everybody loves the iPhone until it stops working, is my sentiment. I am not going to defend Apple's "walled garden" policy regarding over priced accessories, and yes I have heard of iTunes mishaps that involve data loss, which is extremely unfortunate for your girlfriend and Apple is at fault.

But the iPhone is a pretty big deal. ALL of these touch screen, "app" friendly, smartphones out there are ALL playing catchup with the iPhone. There are probably obscure devices out there that did things similar before the iPhone, but hey Windows was not the first OS but it seems the majority of the world favors it. I didn't start hearing the word "apps" come in to popularity until the iPhone.

And there are smart phones out there that can outdo the iPhone (the camera is an notorious one), but how hard is it to look at the guy who made it popular and say 'hmm they are lacking in x area, so we'll try to make that better with ours!". The iPhone had a huge head start and now has the largest app market, so making Android (and significantly Blackberry) behind in that aspect, forcing them to improve on other areas like customization, cameras, screen size, etc.

And even when I had a PC, I always used iTunes. I don't really see the clunkiness you are referring to, but I have noticed it runs better on my Mac than it did my (older) PC. Everything else that is used to manage music feels like a knock off. I import music from a flash drive or back up and iTunes automatically organizes them in to albums, provides me a "genius" list to recommend other artists, and if you are throwing a party you can use iTunes DJ for people to vote on the next song in the playlist. When I make an animation in an HD resolution, I can pop it in to iTunes, have it automatically convert and then place it on my iPod Touch. Smart playlists, integrated store, syncing data like calendars, contacts, photos, etc. I really do not see what is so bad about iTunes. I don't have a smartphone but I have no idea what the hell to use to manage music with my env Touch. Verizon charges a RIDICULOUS amount for ONE song off the Vcast store, but on the iPhone I can get a song for .99-1.29. When you buy an Apple mobile device, it is nice to know everything happens in that universal program.

That said, I want an Android lol.

Why? Well one I am Verizon...and two I have sold so many iPhones where I work that I recognize certain things about the Android that work for me. I want the best camera/video out there and the Droid X looked to be good. Also I want a bigger screen than the iPhone offers and I want more in-phone file and media management. While I like the variety of the Android devices, it's PC and Mac all over again. Different hardware, same software, so optimization suffers, while the iPhone universal. Boring, but (usually) "just works". And hey if you are having issue with your iPhone, you make a genius bar appointment at the Apple Store and they help you out, I do not know where you would go for service like that with Androids. And battery replacements cost $79 at the Apple Store so it's better than buying a brand new phone, and if you had purchased the $59 Apple Care with your phone your battery replacement should be free.
 
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Everybody loves the iPhone until it stops working, is my sentiment. I am not going to defend Apple's "walled garden" policy regarding over priced accessories, and yes I have heard of iTunes mishaps that involve data loss, which is extremely unfortunate for your girlfriend and Apple is at fault.

But the iPhone is a pretty big deal. ALL of these touch screen, "app" friendly, smartphones out there are ALL playing catchup with the iPhone. There are probably obscure devices out there that did things similar before the iPhone, but hey Windows was not the first OS but it seems the majority of the world favors it. I didn't start hearing the word "apps" come in to popularity until the iPhone.

And there are smart phones out there that can outdo the iPhone (the camera is an notorious one), but how hard is it to look at the guy who made it popular and say 'hmm they are lacking in x area, so we'll try to make that better with ours!". The iPhone had a huge head start and now has the largest app market, so making Android (and significantly Blackberry) behind in that aspect, forcing them to improve on other areas like customization, cameras, screen size, etc.

And even when I had a PC, I always used iTunes. I don't really see the clunkiness you are referring to, but I have noticed it runs better on my Mac than it did my (older) PC. Everything else that is used to manage music feels like a knock off. I import music from a flash drive or back up and iTunes automatically organizes them in to albums, provides me a "genius" list to recommend other artists, and if you are throwing a party you can use iTunes DJ for people to vote on the next song in the playlist. When I make an animation in an HD resolution, I can pop it in to iTunes, have it automatically convert and then place it on my iPod Touch. Smart playlists, integrated store, syncing data like calendars, contacts, photos, etc. I really do not see what is so bad about iTunes. I don't have a smartphone but I have no idea what the hell to use to manage music with my env Touch. Verizon charges a RIDICULOUS amount for ONE song off the Vcast store, but on the iPhone I can get a song for .99-1.29. When you buy an Apple mobile device, it is nice to know everything happens in that universal program.

That said, I want an Android lol.

Why? Well one I am Verizon...and two I have sold so many iPhones where I work that I recognize certain things about the Android that work for me. I want the best camera/video out there and the Droid X looked to be good. Also I want a bigger screen than the iPhone offers and I want more in-phone file and media management. While I like the variety of the Android devices, it's PC and Mac all over again. Different hardware, same software, so optimization suffers, while the iPhone universal. Boring, but (usually) "just works". And hey if you are having issue with your iPhone, you make a genius bar appointment at the Apple Store and they help you out, I do not know where you would go for service like that with Androids. And battery replacements cost $79 at the Apple Store so it's better than buying a brand new phone, and if you had purchased the $59 Apple Care with your phone your battery replacement should be free.
Well said, and I think that the referenced clunkiness is mainly due to the way it handles the music. If iTunes is your sole "base of operations" for everything media related I think it's great, and it actual fits apple little garden metaphor, but if you would like to interact and be flexible about it, iTunes can be a huge burden. The very first thing is that iTunes wants to have his own designated folder, which messes up the regular windows library structure, and for Media Center it seems impossible to adjust. It's easy to argue about which of the two should be able to adjust, but until none of them do I feel that iTunes is way to "heavy" of an app to just lunch and quit for a few songs (no it's not a hardware problem, my i7 can handle it just fine).

It's the endless game of features vs speed and ease of use, and I'm more of a zune software or winamp fan. While Zune for instance lacks a lot of features, it's still the slickest and fastest music software out there I think at least for my needs.
 
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Call me spoiled, but I wouldn't be able to live with telephones with crappy browsers anymore. I internet pretty much everywhere.
 
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Call me spoiled, but I wouldn't be able to live with telephones with crappy browsers anymore. I internet pretty much everywhere.
watching porn on the toilet.

it's what phone developers originally concieved. it just took them a while to do it.
 

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