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The sarcasm really isn't needed.
 
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I personally believe that national healthcare is the way forward, America is one of the only developed nations that doesnt have it. I really cant understand this conservative fear that it's going to open the doors of socialism, its as bat **** crazy as people arming up against UFO threats in my book.

The fact is, somebody can work every day of their life and pay their taxes being something like a road sweeper with no health insurance plan, earn enough money to feed their family and put their kids through school, and be absolutely ****ed in the ass because some idiot runs him over, or he gets shot, it comes to the point where it's probably less cruel to pull the plug when they're on life support, rather than **** them over with a medical bill they can't afford because they weren't fortunate enough to be born into the right family or get the right job. This is a concept that conservatives will argue is not true because in america there are opportunities etc, but then again, that's why they say you never meet a poor conservative. In a country where there's such an extreme divide in wealth, you'd think you'd be able to comprehend the scale of the issue.

Owning a British passport is probably the best part of living here (because lets face it, everything else is pretty ****), pretty-much no matter where I am in the world, I am entitled to free health care. I don't give a **** about the amount of tax it costs since we pay much less for our health care here per person compared to America, which has the highest cost per person in the world. Plus there's the bonus that there is no price tag on anyones life here either.
 
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Agreed, its ridiculous wanting something like that.
 
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I think the point of national health care, is that yes, we pay for it through our taxes. but we never need to worry about being denied care because our insurance says it's outside of their terms of service (something which i hear isn't uncommon over there...) we can just walk into a hospital and recieve treatment for anything wrong with us, even if we're homeless with no income. and even when we are homeless and have no income we can still expect the service of our hospitals to be equally as good as the millionaire in the bed beside us.
 
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Cuc, you remember my knee problems right?

how much do you pay for your health insurance? how much would you have been likely to have to pay for a repairation on both an anterior and posterior crusciate ligament, along with knee cap repairation. baring in mind i opted for keyhole surgery, which only left two scars less than 5mm wide each.

cos my government fronted all of that. along with most of my dental costs. if i were to get into a fight, that i started, and ended up bleeding out, with broken bones, and a brain heamorage. i still wouldn't have to pay for it (except in jail time i guess).
when i go abroad, all i need to do is take an E1-11 form with me, and my government will cover all medical expenses in that country too.

a nationally funded health care plan is the way forward.

if they tried to do the reverse of what's happening there, here, and asked us to start paying for health insurance ("care"). there would be an outcry like you wouldn't believe, probably even civil unrest.

give this a read:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/12/opinion/12sun1.html
As J-Tabs pointed out, I pay nearly nothing for medical care. I have a co-pay for visiting doctors and for some perscriptions. Between my wife, child and I, we pay nearly $180 every two weeks for the coverage, and we've accrued some $40,000 in medical costs the last five years between us. While I obviously pay for the insurance coverage, I don't see much cost come out of my take home pay (inusrance costs are removed from my check before taxes, which is nice, it bumps me into a lower tax bracket). My mother in law, who has medicare, pays out of her ass everytime something happens, they literally take her social security earnings. I would like to keep the rest of my paycheck.

As far as not meeting poor conservatives . . . you just met one. I know quite a few more. I'm not what you'd call financially well off at all. I live check to check, and I have a hard time making ends meet. I still think handouts from the government, and forcing people who have it to hand it out, is fundamentally flawed. Granted, they should give out of the goodness of their hearts, but forcing them to do it is as wrong as them not doing it voluntarily.

About health care in old age and for the disabled, we have that already. What I'm arguing is that I wouldn't need that now as an adult that can work. I have a plan that I pay for, as I pointed out, and I would not like to pay for everyone elses.

Another point, as I said, I have Blue Cross Blue Sheild, probably the best plan in the USA. When I go job hunting, one of the major things I look for his the health insurance. If I can do it, why can't others? Not working for scumbag employers is what forces them to offer better things to attract workers.
 
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might be a bit hard with a high amount of people becoming unemployed because of the economy
 

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So what's everyone think of Obama's gun control?

The right to keep and bear arms isn't about hunting, nor is it about protecting yourself from muggers or robbers. It was written by men who, having fled the internecine struggles of Europe and having inherited the totality of the western renaissance culture, understood with the acumen of a Machiavelli the very real and omnipresent need for the people to protect themselves against a tyrannical government.

The right of the people to Keep and Bear arms shall not be infringed. It is sad to see that people must occasionally be utterly ruled to the extent of their own mortal peril in order to understand the importance of such a provision.
The above isn't me, but but speaker's totally right IMHO.
 
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I'm all for Americans having guns, because most of the terrible incidents involving guns in America are from guns obtained illegally.

But seriously, do you need automatic weapons? It was ridiculous how many school/mall shootings were being planned/executed in the past couple of years.
 

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I'd never own one myself, but I'm all for guns. I honestly believe that they help protect the freedoms we value.
 
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might be a bit hard with a high amount of people becoming unemployed because of the economy
Exactly, I can't find a second job to pay for their health care and my health care, plus my families basic needs.

I am vehemently opposed to gun control in the US. Violent crimes are committed with unregulated guns, or guns obtained illegally, not ones that are lawfully owned by the citizens in a vast majority of cases. I also see the need to bear arms as a functional component of our checks and balances. If Washington ever forgets its place, we will not forget ours. I personally do not own a firearm, but the thought has passed my mind more than once.
 

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"Obama supports a permanent reinstatement of an "assault weapons" ban".. And then you posted a link that proved that wrong? Wait, am I mis-interoperating something?
Read it again:

A widely circulated e-mail quoting Obama is baseless and almost certainly fabricated. He does support reinstatement of the expired "assault weapons ban" but isn't calling for a wider ban on all semi-automatic weapons. He said repeatedly during the campaign, "I am not going to take your guns away."
Obama-Biden, "Urban Policy": As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.
 
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The sarcasm really isn't needed.
No, it's not, which is why I didn't use any. I'm serious. Free health care where I don't have to pay for it, via a health insurance or taxes. ****, I'd be happy.

Somehow everyone seems to think I'm only kidding in my posts, and trying to be a sarcastic twit.
 
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that's because, for the most part, you are.

it's the boy who cried wolf, thing.

and yeah, i pay for it through tax/national insurance, but i pay a hell of a lot less than americans on private do, and it's not something i have to consciously go out and look for. it's just THERE.
 
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I pay for it through payroll deduction, it comes out of my pay before my pay is evaluated for taxes. I don't actively look for it either. Its not a bill I pay every month . . .

The differences I'm afraid of are quality of coverage, whether or not its mandatory for me to have it, and whether or not I have to suddenly pay out for other peoples health care.
 
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i don't pay for other peoples healthcare?
 
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You would if you had a superior plan to the government one. I pay for other peoples social security benefits, even though I have my own retirement plan.
 

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Thanks for cleaning that up, MC. I'm ideologically opposed to any form of gun control, and it's pisses me off so many half-assed liberals are wooing for it without properly understanding it. Interesting thought; where did gun control come from? Your right to bear arms is guaranteed under the second amendment, so who on Earth first invented the concept of restricting gun trade?

The KKK. The Klu Klux Klan first invented gun control to keep weapons out of the hands of their victims, to leave them defenceless. Doesn't this speak miles about the purpose of gun control?
 

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