"Unbelievable, the sheer arrogance" woah hold on, i hope your not talkin bout me, i said i wasnt bothered, but if he's using them for another mod, if he used my refs and i initially made the refs for a different mod (now a new mod), its just i dont think it'd be fair if they used em.... i dunno, but i said people could use em if they really wanted them, but you do understand it is a lot of effort making them, and then if people use them i think they should at least say they used em..... Smo knows what im saying, there was a whole loada **** when people used his gogeta as a ref. Anyway i dont see what the problem is alea, its all sorted he didnt use em, so there's no problem, and ive got nothing to show he didnt, but hey the models look ok, there are a few things, like the length of the arms on the kakashi model look slightly too long, and the shoulder pads look a little square, but it would be nice to see sum other views.