Most Advanced Civilization?

[SailorAlea]

How many of China's one billion plus population do you think are educated with a high school equivalency? With a University equivalency?

 

[Iyce Da Kidd]

It is a fact that Ants and roaches will outlive us all... so they have the greater civilization [/sarcasm]

 

[Corefinder]

In overall i would say Japan. Cause Japan is small, tiny in size but it had better achivments than the usa and russia combined. (But i do dislike the fact that wery little of theyr nations nature has been spared.)

As for military i not sure USA might have the largest numbers but to be honest i see that they are as incompentant as well. (but dont feel bad cause russians are eaven more incompentant than americans) If my post has offended you then not to crap up the forum mutch you may curse me by sending PM-s.

 

[Jesus]

The netherlands , since we are the only ones that see that we shud legalize!

the netherlands fail, because if i pissed in the ocean, you'd all drown >;]

 

[Adaptus]

the netherlands fail, because if i pissed in the ocean, you'd all drown >;]

That's what dikes are for. >]

If it ain't Dutch, it ain't much, foo'! o/

Anyway, as for the most advanced civilisation.. hard to say, after hearing all these arguments, but I'll just be completely biased and act out the programming I received from watching too much anime, and say that Japan is the most advanced civilisation. o/

 

[-Origin]

The Netherlands fail indeed Axman, it's a ****ty country for lots more reasons than that

Anyway I'm gonna hop on the bandwagon and shout Japan. But only because I don't know any better.

 

[SailorAlea]

In overall i would say Japan. Cause Japan is small, tiny in size but it had better achivments than the usa and russia combined. (But i do dislike the fact that wery little of theyr nations nature has been spared.)

As for military i not sure USA might have the largest numbers but to be honest i see that they are as incompentant as well. (but dont feel bad cause russians are eaven more incompentant than americans) If my post has offended you then not to crap up the forum mutch you may curse me by sending PM-s.

You are entitled to your opinion, as everyone is. However, you just put out blanketing statements without any real justification.

What exactly are Japan's "achievements"? Also, the US Army isn't the largest Army in the world, in terms of soldiers. We just have the most advanced equipment, largest arsenal of WMDs, etc. And while you may think they're "incompetent," a large percentage of the world wouldn't exist as it is today without them.

 

[SaiyanPrideXIX]

America has built all of the most important things, so I answer America. Might seem like a blanket statement but it's true--the computer is the most vital invention in human history, and it has drastically sped up the development of all other things. And the computer was created here. The Arpanet was also created here, which means that technically so was the Internet itself (arguably the greatest and worst invention in history). These two things have completely altered the course of human history--so I would pick America, just based on that. Sometimes it is better to be the King Maker, then the King.

Let's try and stay on point here, also--it seems this thread is teetering on the edge. Let's keep it reeled in and not let our personal preferences start bleeding in.

 

[Smith|]

America, **** YEAH!

 

[Bolteh2]

The animal kingdom is the most civilized on this earth. They only kill when needed, they only expand their playground when needed, they only behave defensive when attacked, but will rarely attack if they're not threatend.. Try to come up with 1 human race/nation/whatever that is as civilized as any animal..


And Gir.. *thumbs up*

 

[Bolteh2]

America has built all of the most important things, so I answer America. Might seem like a blanket statement but it's true--the computer is the most vital invention in human history, and it has drastically sped up the development of all other things. And the computer was created here. The Arpanet was also created here, which means that technically so was the Internet itself (arguably the greatest and worst invention in history). These two things have completely altered the course of human history--so I would pick America, just based on that. Sometimes it is better to be the King Maker, then the King.

Let's try and stay on point here, also--it seems this thread is teetering on the edge. Let's keep it reeled in and not let our personal preferences start bleeding in.

The computer was created in germany during wartime, but nice try though.

You are entitled to your opinion, as everyone is. However, you just put out blanketing statements without any real justification.

What exactly are Japan's "achievements"? Also, the US Army isn't the largest Army in the world, in terms of soldiers. We just have the most advanced equipment, largest arsenal of WMDs, etc. And while you may think they're "incompetent," a large percentage of the world wouldn't exist as it is today without them.

And america wouldn't exist if it wasn't for europe.. Everything has a beginning and has an end.. Any action has a reaction.. America has helped/crippled a lot of nations, but other nations helped/crippled america to.. So basicly, it's not just because of america that we have the world of today.. It's because of some monkey that decided to walk on his 2 legs.

WORSHIP THE MONKEY !

 

[SailorAlea]

The computer was created in germany during wartime, but nice try though.




And america wouldn't exist if it wasn't for europe.. Everything has a beginning and has an end.. Any action has a reaction.. America has helped/crippled a lot of nations, but other nations helped/crippled america to.. So basicly, it's not just because of america that we have the world of today.. It's because of some monkey that decided to walk on his 2 legs.

WORSHIP THE MONKEY !

The transistor, the assembly line, the microprocessor, hand-held calculators, the first electronic computers, airplanes, arguably the Internet, arguably Radio and definitely F.M. radio, a majority of all modern aerospace technology, voice recognition technology, bar codes, the laser, modems, the integrated circuit, FORTRAN, C, Perl, (etc) Windows (*cough*), computer mice, RAM, Ethernet, laser printers--the list really does go on.

It's debated who first conceived of the first computers, but both of the first two computers actually made, the ENIAC and the Atanasoff-Berry Computer are both American, developed by the US Army and Iowa State University respectively.

In any case, you're right that everything has a 'beginning and an end,' however I'm not implying that America gave birth to the rest of the world. I'm saying that our "incompetent Army" as described before, prevented a majority of the world from being taken over and irrevocably changed by some of those who helped give birth to it in the first place.

As a sidenote, you probably shouldn't be double posting.

 

[Bolteh2]

It's debated who first conceived of the first computers, but both of the first two computers actually made, the ENIAC and the Atanasoff-Berry Computer are both American, developed by the US Army and Iowa State University respectively.

In any case, you're right that everything has a 'beginning and an end,' however I'm not implying that America gave birth to the rest of the world. I'm saying that our "incompetent Army" as described before, prevented a majority of the world from being taken over and irrevocably changed by some of those who helped give birth to it in the first place.

As a sidenote, you probably shouldn't be double posting.

the basic idea behind the computer and its uses were developed by german techengineers, but those were only used as secret weapons durin wartime.. that still leaves germans as the father and intelectual owners of the computer..

Comparable example: Egyptians developed the basic idea of paper (papirus), but the chinese commercialised it.. Does that make the chinese the inventors of paper?

 

[SailorAlea]

Actually, more people credit Charles Babbage with "inventing" the concepts for the modern computer, in the 1800s--a British man. It still doesn't mean he was able to make one. And the first electronic computers, as opposed to Babbage's mechanical computer, were both American--as well as the underlying technologies used to make them.

Edit: Computer History for 1940 - 1960 mentions the 'Z3' calculator, if that's the "German techengineered" device, but doesn't seem to be considered an actual computer.

However, you said "developed the basic idea," which was Charles Babbage again.

 

[SaiyanPrideXIX]

1943: ENIAC (Electronic Numerical Integrator and Computer), the first general-purpose electronic digital calculator begins to be constructed. This computer by most is considered to be the first electronic computer.

'Nuff said, argument over. Back on topic.

 

[Bolteh2]

So, what you're saying is that the car hasn't been invented in 18xx? but in 1910-1920 ish because those were the first cars with rubber wheels and basicly not an old kart with an engine?..

It's not because it resembles the machine we know today, that it's the very first computer.. The Z3 could calculate and crunch numbers, only difference is, it printed the results/methods on huge paper cards.. That "first electronic computer" just added a screen to it. So the basic idea still lies in germany.

And you can't compare it that guy that had the first -idea-.. he never put it action, he only had a system with wheels, levers and chains that just added a second each run.. basic idea of a clock anyone?


http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa050298.htm btw

Konrad Zuse (1910-1995) was a construction engineer for the Henschel Aircraft Company in Berlin, Germany at the beginning of WWII. Konrad Zuse earned the semiofficial title of "inventor of the modern computer" for his series of automatic calculators, which he invented to help him with his lengthy engineering calculations.

and

Konrad Zuse completed the Z3 in 1941, with recycled materials donated by fellow university staff and students. This was the world's first electronic, fully programmable digital computer based on a binary floating-point number and switching system.

So, we conclude: the first computer was invented by germans.

 

[SailorAlea]

So, what you're saying is that the car hasn't been invented in 18xx? but in 1910-1920 ish because those were the first cars with rubber wheels and basicly not an old kart with an engine?..

It's not because it resembles the machine we know today, that it's the very first computer.. The Z3 could calculate and crunch numbers, only difference is, it printed the results/methods on huge paper cards.. That "first electronic computer" just added a screen to it. So the basic idea still lies in germany.

And you can't compare it that guy that had the first -idea-.. he never put it action, he only had a system with wheels, levers and chains that just added a second each run.. basic idea of a clock anyone?


http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa050298.htm btw


and



So, we conclude: the first computer was invented by germans.

First, you talk about who invented the concept: the answer is clear. Not a German, but an Brit.

So, the concept was invented by the British. However, who actually created the first computer?

Amusingly enough, the website YOU yourself cited, also says this:

http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa050898.htm

"Professor John Atanasoff and graduate student Clifford Berry built the world's first electronic-digital computer at Iowa State University between 1939 and 1942. The Atanasoff-Berry Computer represented several innovations in computing, including a binary system of arithmetic, parallel processing, regenerative memory, and a separation of memory and computing functions."

And then..

"Presper Eckert and John Mauchly were the first to patent a digital computing device, the ENIAC computer."

And then..

"Eckert and Mauchly received most of the credit for inventing the first electronic-digital computer. Historians now say that the Atanasoff-Berry computer was the first."
(also http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa050898.htm)

You see, the difference between my sources and yours are that mine aren't covered with ads offering to sell you MP3 players.

The "basic idea" originates from the UK, and was built by none other than? Not Germany.

Edit: Upon further reading, more and more evidence piles up that it is still disputed.

http://www.davros.org/misc/chronology.html
http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/fcomp.shtml

http://www.computer-museum.org/main/faq.shtml

"1. Who invented the first computer?

It all depends on your definition of computer. Charles Babbage in the 1830s devised a plan for the first stored-program mechanical computer, using data modeled after the punched card templates used in industrial (Jacquard) looms. The first electronic digital computer was the ABC built by John V. Atanasoff and Clifford Berry in 1940 at Iowa State University. Several of its ideas were incorporated into the ENIAC which ran from 1945-1955 and is considered the first functionally useful electronic digital computer."

 

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