Mixed Martial Artist vs. Traditional Martial Artist

Who Would Win?

  • Mixed Martial Artist

    Votes: 5 55.6%
  • Traditional Martial Artist

    Votes: 4 44.4%

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I thought this would be an interesting debate. I apologize for all of these versus threads, but I like reading what people have to say on certain matters.

You have two Martial Artists, one a Mixed Martial Artist, and the other is a tradition Martial Artist.

What's Mixed Martial Arts?

What's Tradition Martial Arts? (Wikipedia didn't have an article on it, but if I can find a good one, I'll make sure to change it with this link).

Here's the scenario:

The Mixed Martial Artist is twenty-four years old, weighs in at 210 lbs., stands at six foot even, has been training in Mixed Martial Arts most of his life. This Mixed Martial Artist has incorporated many fighting arts into his own, arts such as Muay Thai, Brazilian Ju-Jitsu, Judo, and Krav Maga.

The Traditional Martial Artist is twenty-three years old, weighs in at 223 lbs., stands at 5'9, and has been training in Martial Arts most of his life. This Traditional Martial Artist has studied the Martial Art Wing Chun.

Now, both of these Martial Artist agreed to fight each other to see which is better - Mixed Martial Arts, or Traditional Martial Arts.

So, who do you think would win?

Try to state your reason for picking your answer.
 
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It entirely depends on the skill level of each fighter.

For a mixed martial artist you need a deep understanding of the styles you use and how they interact. Where as a focused fighter in a single fighter is mostly about personal skill.


In this situation if the focused martial arts fighter would have been focusing on this style for his entire like and is skilled at it. Then he would win. The Wing Chun style is about deflection and short movements which is a good counter to close quarters of the mixed fighter.

It isnt possible to say that either is better in every situation. It is all related to the styles known and the skill levels in them.
 
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The better fighter would win.

Bottom line, like Hibiki said, it requires deep understanding of yourself and your abilities in both cases.
 
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by mixed martial arts do you mean "ultimate fighting"

vs against say... jackie chan?
 
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Hibiki has said it all. It just depends on the fighters skill. But if they both had the same skill and one fighter was traditional and other was mixed....I'd have to lean towards mixed. Mixed could mean Traditional + a bit more. So he might have a bit more moves up his sleeve.

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I would assume that the skill of the fighters in question would be equal. In that case, I would say the MMA fighter has a better chance on average to win seeing as that not only requires basic understanding of whatever art form your opponent is using, but also, it allows the MMA fighter in question to have a much wider array of 'tools' to work from in combating and taking down his opponent. The TMA fighter would have a paucity of skills to work with in comparison along with less variety in general.
 
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I agree with Optional22. If you use mixed martial arts, you have more of understanding of how you can win against an opponent. Also, to the people who have been saying it's all about how much skill the fighter has, I think MC is basing it off as, they're both equally skilled. I think he's asking which form of martial arts do you think would be more effective, and overall, better in your opinion.
 
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I would assume that the skill of the fighters in question would be equal. In that case, I would say the MMA fighter has a better chance on average to win seeing as that not only requires basic understanding of whatever art form your opponent is using, but also, it allows the MMA fighter in question to have a much wider array of 'tools' to work from in combating and taking down his opponent. The TMA fighter would have a paucity of skills to work with in comparison along with less variety in general.
The problem with that is in this case Wing Chun is focused all around countering movements. An expert in that will trump a novice in several other forms. You would have an understanding of the martial art but not the experience in using it.

The point behind training is a single style is so you are more skilled then someone who just studied a small amount. Given the skills of the fighters the fight would be a close quarters fight meaning the user of the Wing Chun style would have a major advantage being that Wing Chun is an up close style.
 
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One is a Jack of all Trades and the other is a Specialist. Specialists usually have the advantage because they've focused on a specific fighting style for their entire careers while the Jack of all Trades has had to divide his time and attention in order to learn several fighting styles. Unless he was specifically taught the fighting styles that could "cancel out" the Specialists fighting style, he'd probably have a lot of difficulty.

Then again, we're assuming they're of equal skill in their respective fighting styles, so I'm going to give it to the Jack of all Trades. Krav Maga, Brazilian Ju Jitsu, and Judo are all close combat fighting styles, and the Muy Thai means this guy has incredibly powerful legs. The Specialist knows one form of close combat while the Jack of all Trades knows 4, and that would in all likelyhood be enough to throw the Specialist off.
 
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MMA gives a better overall understanding of what techniques are to be used at specific times.

With Wing chun, a purely defensive and UPPER Body tactic...someone with a wrestling background or judo/jujitsu background definitely can overtake a wing chun artist at the same level. I have done both wing chun and Wrestling as well as jujistu and judo...Wing chun is a defensive style yes but you will never win a fight being purely defensive and i just don't see it being possible against someone that knows Wrestling, judo and kickboxing vs someone soley on a martial art. You can only hope that your style has one major advantage...you have to remember that not only does YOUR style that you specialize in has counters...BUT other styles have counters to that as well. Judo and jujitsu have INFINITE amount of counters to punches and kicks...what happens if the game goes on the ground? You are telling me someone of a specialized martial art at the same skill level of someone with wrestling, judo and jujitsu behind them has an equal chance? Hardly

Advantage = MMA doesn't mean he will win but the advantage is in HIGH favor for MMA
 
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In all honesty, every time I see a focused martial artist fight a mixed one, he makes the mistake of trying to play the grapple and ground and pound game. I've seen this countless times, unless your focus is in a grappling art, you should stay away from that situation.

As a former focused martial artist, and now sorta mixed striker, I would not allow the grappler to get within arms reach. It would be the focus of my fight to keep him moving backwards, if not knock him out outright.

MMA's big advantage is that it's focused on the fighting end, focused martial artist concentrate on the art as much as the fighting end. MMA reminds me of diet food, sure you can exist on it, but all the good stuff is stripped out. If a MMA fought a focused martial artist who HAS experience in actual fighting, that much vaunted advantage dissapears.
 
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Who would win? Well even if the MMArtist wins in combat, that doesn't mean he wins. No offense, but MMArtists really seem to focus soley on combat and winning while many Traditional Martial Arts focus on so much more.
 
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Well, they're fighting to decide who wins the fight. Nothing more.
 
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Didn't say specifically that in the first post.
 
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Now, both of these Martial Artist agreed to fight other to see which is better - Mixed Martial Arts, or Traditional Martial Arts.

So, who do you think would win?

Try to state your reason for picking your answer.
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*Give us some input pertaining to the topic, or give us nothing, dont waste space with this sort of garbage. This is the second time in 10 minutes I've had to address your posts, Sharpen up your input*
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Looking at those raw stats?

I'd say the MMA guy. Considering he has been training in these styles "for most of his life" I think referring to his skills as "novice" is a little silly. Being able to effectively grapple = an enormous advantage. You don't have to be a Gracie to do an armbar or a rear naked choke on somebody that hasn't studied grappling at all, and getting to the ground is NOT hard, especially since the MMA guy appears to be a little bigger the martial artist.

There's a reason leagues like UFC and Pride have moved in the direction they have. Seen the old tournaments? Back when people still used gi and tried to bust out the Eagle Claw or w/e... those days are dead for a reason. Perhaps those leagues aren't representative of the whole martial arts community, but it's just something to note.

And yes, it's also correct in saying that while the Wing Chun fighter likely focuses on aspects of "the art" and all that, the MMA fighter has been studying nothing but practicality. He likely understands the ins and outs of fighting a little better and may also have more experience training and fighting against other people and other styles. But now we're getting personal, I guess.

Anyway if the Wing Chun guy manages to keep the fight standing... then -maybe- he'll win. But that's going to be pretty difficult against someone who knows judo AND BJJ decently well. I honestly think that trumps it being a "close style."

At the end of the day though, just about anybody can get hit in the head. The better fighter wins.
 
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o_o zomg2345

*Give us some input pertaining to the topic, or give us nothing, dont waste space with this sort of garbage. This is the second time in 10 minutes I've had to address your posts, Sharpen up your input*
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I quoted what was pertinent and emboldened it to explain why I believed this thread was regarding who would win in a fight, and nothing more. To have restated what I had already quoted would have been nonsensical. The quote spoke for me.

I apologize for not restating what I had already quoted. It won't happen again.
 

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