Kids' TV gone wrong.

[MC]

According to Wikipedia:

Tomorrow's Pioneers (or The Pioneers of Tomorrow) is a children's program, broadcast since April 13, 2007 on the official Palestinian Hamas television station, Al-Aqsa TV. The show features young host Saraa Barhoum and her co-host, a large animal as they discuss life in Palestine and accept call-ins from children typically of age 9-13. While ostensibly a show about children's education presented in a format similar to such common western shows as Sesame Street or Barney & Friends, Tomorrow's Pioneers additionally contains Hamas-inspired sub-themes of antisemitism, Islamic extremism, Islamic supremacism and Islamism, and jihadist proselytism not traditionally found in western childrens's programs. As such, Saraa currently co-hosts with her third animal friend, the rabbit Assoud since the first two were "martyred", according to storyline by The Jews. The average life-span of Saraa's co-hosts has been five episodes. Assoud is on his third episode.

The show, brought to wider attention by Palestinian Media Watch and MEMRI, deals with Islamic traditions and lifestyles; some as innocuous as the importance of daily prayers and drinking milk to more radical messages of Islamic supremacy, the loathing of Israel, the United States and the West, and indoctrination of the young viewers with teachings of "Resistance Jihad."

Israeli officials have denounced the program as incendiary and outrageous while other critics such as the Anti-Defamation League have stated that the show promotes anti-American, anti-Israel, and anti-Semitic sentiments. The show's producer claimed, in response, that the program is "about Palestinian kids express[ing] their feeling regarding what they witness."

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrow's_Pioneers

 

[Mr.Lukyas]

is that good enough for you Dan?

 

[DiebytheSword]

Guys.....did any of you even think that the subtitles could be fake? That some ******* took a video of a kid show and put fake subs on it just to mock or give a false view about some people? This could be just as bad as the angry german kid going "I....WANT....PORN!!", so I wouldn't go off my rocker just yet, until it's confirmed that this is legitimate. And I see that a lot of people started seriously debating over this.

I've seen four translations of tha clip from four different sources, and it is always the same message. One of those sources was a legitmate news outfit.

 

[Hibiki]

Well all I can say is damn man Muhammed would be pissed at the stuff coming out of there if he were alive.


also really like ive said for like ever... lol religion

 

[Dzamija]

is that good enough for you Dan?

Am I sensing a change of attitude?

On topic: If this is true, and from what MC and Cuc stated I think it is, it's really sad that there are still places in which children are taught from a young age to hate and desire to kill what they consider 'infidels'.

But I can also understand that people in such a troubled region, that generally don't have much, would feel about something like this. Unlike the rest of the world, say, the US or the advanced countries of Europe, in which people generally live comfortable lives, those people have so little that they consider their faith and religion much more important than the rest of us do, and hold it much closer to their hearts. That's why I can understand why they can hate at such a young age, which I found to be impossible up until now.

 

[Hibiki]

Unlike the rest of the world, say, the US or the advanced countries of Europe, in which people generally live comfortable lives, those people have so little that they consider their faith and religion much more important than the rest of us do, and hold it much closer to their hearts. That's why I can understand why they can hate at such a young age, which I found to be impossible up until now.

Yes but people in other parts of the world who don't have much more also hold religion as vitally important. But they don't go off spouting death to the rest of the world.

And the reason for this is simple. Neither of these religions actually tell you to go off and kill everyone else. It's random other people who declare themselves messengers for their religion that say stuff like that. No where does the Islamic religion itself tell you to go murder people. That idea started with the rise of the other people.

 

[Dzamija]

And the reason for this is simple. Neither of these religions actually tell you to go off and kill everyone else. It's random other people who declare themselves messengers for their religion that say stuff like that. No where does the Islamic religion itself tell you to go murder people. That idea started with the rise of the other people.

I agree. It's never the religion itself that causes suffering. It's the people who misunderstand it, or simply don't want to understand it. I'd say these kids fall into the former group. From their point of view, this wishful thinking of death to whom they consider infidels is a good thing, therefore these kids aren't evil. They're just being told the wrong message. If they really hold religion close to their hearts, they should go to a Mosque and talk with a muslim priest (I'm sorry, I just don't know if there's any special name for them.), he definitely won't tell them to go around killing people they consider infidels. Not in this day and age.

Religion can be misused, and it was misused. It's gonna be misused as long as there are ignorant, dare I say stupid people who can be used to misuse it. Simple as that.

It can even be good, misguided people, just like these kids.

 

[J-Dude]

I agree. It's never the religion itself that causes suffering. It's the people who misunderstand it, or simply don't want to understand it. I'd say these kids fall into the former group. From their point of view, this wishful thinking of death to whom they consider infidels is a good thing, therefore these kids aren't evil. They're just being told the wrong message. If they really hold religion close to their hearts, they should go to a Mosque and talk with a muslim priest (I'm sorry, I just don't know if there's any special name for them.), he definitely won't tell them to go around killing people they consider infidels. Not in this day and age.

Religion can be misused, and it was misused. It's gonna be misused as long as there are ignorant, dare I say stupid people who can be used to misuse it. Simple as that.

It can even be good, misguided people, just like these kids.

Good show my friend, good show. This is the kind of thing I like to hear aside from those who so believe the opposite is true that they call religion "the root of all evil" in their sigs. The religion is good, the religious extremist is bad. That's always the thing. Extremists ruin religion for everyone and give people of any given religion a bad name when a relatively small pack of phenomenal idiots goes on a heretic slaying spree and gives people the idea that everyone in that religion must be the same.

 

[Hibiki]

The religion is good, the religious extremist is bad. That's always the thing.

The problem is no matter what religion it is you always have extremists.

 

[Rocky]

The problem is no matter what religion it is you always have extremists.

You can say that about anything, extremist vegetarians, extremist political followers and extremist hippies.

 

[Killface]

This is why i hate the middle east.

 

[MC]

This is why i hate the middle east.

Why do you hate the middle east?

 

[ZeroNightmare]

I don't believe all religion is evil. Just Shiite Muslims :/

And those crazy Christian ****s.

 

[KarrdeKNR]

Can we can the sarcasm in this thread a touch? *looks at Zero*

 

[Avenger]

I agree. It's never the religion itself that causes suffering. It's the people who misunderstand it, or simply don't want to understand it. I'd say these kids fall into the former group. From their point of view, this wishful thinking of death to whom they consider infidels is a good thing, therefore these kids aren't evil. They're just being told the wrong message. If they really hold religion close to their hearts, they should go to a Mosque and talk with a muslim priest (I'm sorry, I just don't know if there's any special name for them.), he definitely won't tell them to go around killing people they consider infidels. Not in this day and age.

Religion can be misused, and it was misused. It's gonna be misused as long as there are ignorant, dare I say stupid people who can be used to misuse it. Simple as that.

It can even be good, misguided people, just like these kids.

...Because the "priests" aren't the ones informing them what they have to do to get into heaven. Right.

 

[[S]]

is that good enough for you Dan?

Actually no it is not because if MC had travelled down that wonderful article in wikipedia he would have reached

Several commentators, such as CNN's Arabic department, have claimed there are translation errors in the transcript of the April 13 show (2007) provided by MEMRI. Brian Whitaker, the Middle East editor for the Guardian newspaper (UK), wrote in a blog for the newspaper that in the translation of the video, showing Farfour eliciting political comments from a young girl named Sanabel, the MEMRI transcript misrepresents the segment, by attributing a sentence said by Farfour, ("I'll shoot"), to the child, and ignoring the child's statement ("I'm going to draw a picture").[56]

Whitaker further criticized MEMRI's translation. He and others contested that a statement uttered by the same child, ("We're going to [or want to] resist"), has been given a more aggressive interpretation by MEMRI as ("We want to fight"). Also, where MEMRI translates the girl as saying the highly controversial remark ("We will annihilate the Jews"), Whitaker and others, including Arabic speakers used by CNN, insist that based on careful listening to the low quality video clip, the girl is variously interpreted as saying, "The Jews will[are] shoot[ing at] us"[56] or "The Jews are killing us."[57]

MEMRI defends their translation of the show, Yigal Carmon, founder and President of MEMRI declared, "Yes, we stand by the translation by the very words, by the context, by the syntax, and every measure of the translation."[57]

Unless you're really arabic i don't think you people can be sure about the exact translation

 

[DiebytheSword]

Do you speak enough arabic to be sure ?

Like I said, I've seen this justified by other sources, one of them was on Glenn Beck, which I'm pretty sure is a CNN show.

 

[[S]]

Actually i speak a bit and from what i can make out some of the translation seems legit but i'm saying until you're not a 100% sure it doesn't really matter does it? I never said it's wrong i said we can't be sure.

 

[DiebytheSword]

I would love it if it weren't. Trust me.

 

[MC]

Actually no it is not because if MC had travelled down that wonderful article in wikipedia he would have reached

Yes, I saw that but I wasn't sure if it was referring to the video linked in the first post or not.

But, you're right. I should've quoted that when I linked the Wikipedia article. I apologize for not doing so.