i know that he is a coder so what??Raven is a coder lol
i asked in another thread why the heck i dont get a answer....he suggested that i write a mapper a pm...so did i....i wrote to layne....but well if they dont want my help its not my prob
i know that he is a coder so what??Raven is a coder lol
You need to talk about Layne's mother in order to draw his attention.i know that he is a coder so what??
i asked in another thread why the heck i dont get a answer....he suggested that i write a mapper a pm...so did i....i wrote to layne....but well if they dont want my help its not my prob
As I recall there was about a month delay for your last response too. The ESF team has had its fair share of run-ins with people that want to "help", but disappear half-way through a project. I took your last email to mean that you were going to orphan the unfinished model and wanted us to finish it for you. This isn't too helpful because UV mapping and texturing a model takes a lot more time than building the geometry. If you genuinely want to help out then completely model and texture the model.u both are missing the point!!! IF they ASK US for HELP! THEN they should response to IT!
they cant ask for a helping hand and if they get one simple dont act at all! thats the point! real life got them? seriously...even if real life really came over them,you dont think its possible to make a short answer within 1month?
because they even asked again for help a few days ago like u can see on the frontpage.
also mastasurf is listed as contact.....i even wrote layne.....they want something from me dont they? DJ ready is as far as i know no current mapper....
even if this is internet.....such a behavior really pisses me off! i only wanted a ******* RESPONSE!!! is that to much to ask???
but u see this thread is also some days over "helping hands" and where are them? for me....i gave up waiting for this game a long time ago...if it comes out some year i gonna play it for sure....but still....really lame..
Not to sound like an ass, but having devs who are on 24/7 just waiting to reply is any better?just a thought, shouldn't need to send 3 messages, make several forum posts, and then have a huge blow out conversation in that post just to get a response (like mastasurf just gave)
not really...ok i had also a little delay so what? u maybe can imagine that doing that model also takes some time dont u?....and i didnt wanted to spam u full with pictures of every little 10%.at the time i reached like 95% i sended u the latest mailAs I recall there was about a month delay for your last response too. The ESF team has had its fair share of run-ins with people that want to "help", but disappear half-way through a project. I took your last email to mean that you were going to orphan the unfinished model and wanted us to finish it for you. This isn't too helpful because UV mapping and texturing a model takes a lot more time than building the geometry. If you genuinely want to help out then completely model and texture the model.
of course that is bullshit...........but i think within a month a answer should be possible right?Not to sound like an ass, but having devs who are on 24/7 just waiting to reply is any better?
You still haven't posted the wires I asked you.not really...ok i had also a little delay so what?..... blabla ....ay it! even childs are capable of doing that!
regards,
BANDIT
(if someone wants that thing pm me for link)
maybe still gonna finish it just for fun.
-------------------------------------------i really wanna know if they delete this post
We don't delete posts just because you're being a d***not really...ok i had also a little delay so what? u maybe can imagine that doing that model also takes some time dont u?....and i didnt wanted to spam u full with pictures of every little 10%.at the time i reached like 95% i sended u the latest mail
of course that is bullshit...........but i think within a month a answer should be possible right?
and to the facts how the "PR" is done.............our first mail conversation started really well....then this happened:
day month
------------before we both didnt had to wait long for a response(like 3 days max)
20 09 mastasurfs last mail to me (cleared some stuff i needed to know and some compliments to my work)
20 09 i replied the same day with some suggestions how to use it and told again that i suck at skinning but that i gonna try it. and
that i was thinking about adding a animation and stuff
NO ANSWER
23 10 i wrote again...and told that my life had me in his hands....i spoke CLEARLY:
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The model is like 97% done...my question is now: shall i do the other 3%? you would have to skin it!
i would do:
-the model
-a open animation which u sure can pull by trigger or something.
i attached a pic of my model so you can look before you download the pack i made for you.
it includes:
a .obj a .fxb a .trl
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SO where is the sentence that i simple give up??? that i let it be on 97%??? I SAID i am going to finish it(the model) i simply wanted a statement!!!
or is it that you dont even really read the mails u receive? tell me!
just btw.......NO ANSWER
after waiting for another 2 weeks i decided to speak on this forum about it!...............again no "real" answer......i should ask layne if he has use for it.....so did it.........and guess what!!! NO ANSWER
as u can see now...like i told in my last 2 mails to you! i suck at skinning...was tryed it and i asked you nicely if u still have use for it! i only wanted a yes or a no! is that to much to ask? EVEN if skinning takes more time dont u think doing that model takes also some time? i watched the episodes over and over...captured screenshots...compared my model on every little part to the time machine.Dont u think that also takes some time? maybe your modeller can do it faster that i did! i also suffered from a lack of time but i still enjoyed it like hell! so....i know modelling and skinning takes both time! if u do it right! that crappy time machine u guys had on the old esf_gero took for sure about 1hour to make....but i think we all are clear on this that my machine is on another level....it took me sure about some days with all together to built it to that level it is know. SO even if skinning takes more time shouldnt u guys be happy that the modelling part is already taken from you???
but to make some things clear! i know i was planed to make maps.....i know that is not a map...i know its not skinned.....but its a nice piece of work! and it deserves a statement! i deserve it!!! i reached out my hand to you and u let me down waiting....IF u dont want it SIMPLY SAY NO
BUT DONT simply ignore me! i know this is internet but thats a terrible behavior in both worlds!
mastasurf didnt answer my last 2 mails....i can imagine that i kinda annoys when someone the whole time asks some stuff! but u simple ask for a mapper....for modelling help without a clear list of the what and how!!! i had questions about how is the water done...how are the sounds done...(they dont use hammer anymore) so if u step on gras that u hear gras....and stuff like that...i know that annoys but why dont u simply do a list that helps on there if u got guys which simply ignore someone if it becomes to much??? and even if he gets the whole work sended....with a nice and gendle question: do you still got a use for this?
NO ANSWER
i dont want to flame around here....i give a shit! its just the fact that "asking for help" and such a "behavior" doesnt really fit together!
if u think its garbage or if u simple got no use then say it! even childs are capable of doing that!
and dont worry i take that as a NO and even if u still want it i wouldnt give u permission.
regards,
BANDIT
(if someone wants that thing pm me for link)
maybe still gonna finish it just for fun.
-------------------------------------------i really wanna know if they delete this post
OH i am sorry i over readed your post! sure i can do that when i get home^^ u also can get the latest version for download if u like. in about 7hours i will be home. then i can follow your wish^^You still haven't posted the wires I asked you.
@deverz: that came some hours ago........what happend the last weeks i waited for a statement? that is the fact this is about! or do you think if u really read something or say anything against the team that u lose your mod rights? for real this forum is dead anyway-.-"If you genuinely want to help out then completely model and texture the model.
thanks grega for the post...like told having a 24/7 guy around is bullshit....and there is ts3 and stuff of course....but what if i dont speak english that well........and i know that sounds strange but i dont have facebook and i hate it^^ and if i want to help you........you cant tell me its my job to run after you........that is a thing which has simply to work! i dont flame if a email took some time....but that took some time to much.i always knew that that guy sure has a real life and stuff like u all do. so i gave him every mail some time..mostly after about 3 days i had my answers i needed......well exept the last ones^^Not to sound like an ass, but having devs who are on 24/7 just waiting to reply is any better?
Thing is if something gets forwarded to me i bring it up. I try to answer every question i can, be it facebook, moddb or random youtube vids i happen to stumble across when im bored.
But you also have to take a look from the other side. Yes it took 3 mails with a month delay before the last update. And we have experience with people who join wanting to help, show promising results, only to fall off the face of the planet a few weeks later.
Its all sketchy especially since only the core of the team is constantly active and communicating with each other. Others tend to fall of the communication grid only to resurface with an update on their progress every now and then. But thing is you cant blame them. They have legit excuses. We never had any problems with people saying "Sorry got exams in school, so ill be gone for a month". The problems always come from people just dropping off the grid with no warning what so ever.
As for the PR thing. Most he could do would be to redirect and establish communication with the needed person. In this case LSSJ was already talking with masta. The team is used to working self sufficiently and independently. Sure we talk about whats needed and so forth, but artists are free to do what they want. I guess that kind of mentality can cause an issue when someone who is applying wants a response.
But even for that we have a Team Speak 3 channel where someone usually idles. You can get in contact with people there. Even if its not the person you need the people there might still be able to help you out. So why not target the place we all hang out at first if you need to talk? Or are people kind of forgetting that we even have a TS3 channel?
I know PR is not perfect in ESF, mostly because everyone just does what they want (outside news and such stuff ofcourse). But its what we have.