Optional said:
Answer:
None of the money is yours or the governments. It all still belongs to the banks that you borrowed it from.
People who believe that garbage are gullible and should learn to think for themselves. Or, to better put it, think 4 themselves. I'll get to you in a second.
John Adams said:
Amnestometh (1:12:40 AM): The hell I am, the government is the investor. Taxes belong to the government.
If this is the argument, then Spunky is wrong, the people are the investors.
But you see. You're confusing people again. This argument went from who owns the tax money, to who the investor is. You're changing it around =/ I can't give you a valid point when you're not making your argument clear cut.
Spunky said:
That's the only answer I'm really looking for. Of course you care where the money goes, anybody would. I'm just saying the money isn't yours once you give it to the government. That's all. Nothing more. I agree with Sub on everything else, that's an entirely separate issue from the argument at hand. D:
Implying the argument is about who owns the tax money.
John Adams said:
The argument: Does tax money belong to the tax payer or does it belong to the government.
John Adams said:
Spunky and I disagree on whether or not how the government uses tax money matters, it has nothing to do with trying to confuse people. He is of the opinion that it doesn't matter how the government uses the money since the money belongs to the government and they can spend it on whatever they want with it. I am of the opinion that they can't do whatever they want with the money because the money doesn't belong to them. If you look at where the argument started
Amnestometh (1:12:02 AM): So much money for two seals who got eaten in front of their investors.
Amnestometh (1:12:07 AM): THat is hilarious
Hybrid094 (1:12:21 AM): you're the investor
Hybrid094 (1:12:23 AM): i'm the investor
Amnestometh (1:12:40 AM): The hell I am, the government is the investor. Taxes belong to the government.
We're really arguing who the investor is when the government pays for something, which in turn lead to who really owns tax money. I'd like to be able to agree with you about us both being right, but I can't do that. I think the notion that the government owns our money is silly.
How do you not see where I'm confused? One minute you're saying the argument is about who owns the money, and the next it's who invests in it.
They're TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS. The money doesn't have to be mine to use it. I can take money from my moms purse and go spend it on something. Was the money ever mine? No. But I used it. I invested it in something. If someone said "hey dude, I hear you're in a tight bind, let me loan you some cash" that money is never yours, unless they rightfully give it to you. If you take a loan out from the bank, you eventually have to pay it back and then some. The investee and who owns the money are two different subjects. Get your argument straight and make sure the people you expect a reply from to know what the hell you're talking about before you post.
It's annoying to give you a well thought out opinion only for it to be completely negated by the fact that you couldn't properly present an argument. Unless you don't know what you're arguing about in the first place.
As for Optional. You need to stop watching youtube, or wherever you get your information. When I go to work, and I get my paycheck, are you going to sit there and tell me that when I cash that check, that money belongs to the bank? I think not. That money is mine, I worked for it, I earned it. The only money that belongs to a bank is money created when you take out a loan. And tax money doesn't come from loans, it comes from the U.S citizens wallets. There's a difference. Just because money goes into a bank, doesn't mean the bank owns it. The bank is just holding on to it for you. I don't have to pay the bank back when I take out money from my checking account.
But if you want two answers for two arguments here would be my input:
The Investor: The U.S citizen, they gave the money to the government, the government paid for whatever. Whatever the government paid for came from the U.S Citizens wallets. Plain and simple.
Who owns the money: Can go either way. It just depends on the opinion of the person. You won't get a straight answer. Me personally? It goes both ways, the people influence the government on how to spend the money, the government actually spends it. So in essence, they both own it.