Immortality is within our grasps.(Or at least massively slow down aging)

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/nov/28/scientists-reverse-ageing-mice-humans

Scientists claim to be a step closer to reversing the ageing process after rejuvenating worn out organs in elderly mice. The experimental treatment developed by researchers at Harvard Medical School turned weak and feeble old mice into healthy animals by regenerating their aged bodies.

The surprise recovery of the animals has raised hopes among scientists that it may be possible to achieve a similar feat in humans – or at least to slow down the ageing process.

An anti-ageing therapy could have a dramatic impact on public health by reducing the burden of age-related health problems, such as dementia, stroke and heart disease, and prolonging the quality of life for an increasingly aged population.

"What we saw in these animals was not a slowing down or stabilisation of the ageing process. We saw a dramatic reversal – and that was unexpected," said Ronald DePinho, who led the study, which was published in the journal Nature.

"This could lead to strategies that enhance the regenerative potential of organs as individuals age and so increase their quality of life. Whether it serves to increase longevity is a question we are not yet in a position to answer."

The ageing process is poorly understood, but scientists know it is caused by many factors. Highly reactive particles called free radicals are made naturally in the body and cause damage to cells, while smoking, ultraviolet light and other environmental factors contribute to ageing.

The Harvard group focused on a process called telomere shortening. Most cells in the body contain 23 pairs of chromosomes, which carry our DNA. At the ends of each chromosome is a protective cap called a telomere. Each time a cell divides, the telomeres are snipped shorter, until eventually they stop working and the cell dies or goes into a suspended state called "senescence". The process is behind much of the wear and tear associated with ageing.

At Harvard, they bred genetically manipulated mice that lacked an enzyme called telomerase that stops telomeres getting shorter. Without the enzyme, the mice aged prematurely and suffered ailments, including a poor sense of smell, smaller brain size, infertility and damaged intestines and spleens. But when DePinho gave the mice injections to reactivate the enzyme, it repaired the damaged tissues and reversed the signs of ageing.

"These were severely aged animals, but after a month of treatment they showed a substantial restoration, including the growth of new neurons in their brains," said DePinho.

Repeating the trick in humans will be more difficult. Mice make telomerase throughout their lives, but the enzyme is switched off in adult humans, an evolutionary compromise that stops cells growing out of control and turning into cancer. Raising levels of telomerase in people might slow the ageing process, but it makes the risk of cancer soar.

DePinho said the treatment might be safe in humans if it were given periodically and only to younger people who do not have tiny clumps of cancer cells already living, unnoticed, in their bodies.

David Kipling, who studies ageing at Cardiff University, said: "The goal for human tissue 'rejuvenation' would be to remove senescent cells, or else compensate for the deleterious effects they have on tissues and organs. Although this is a fascinating study, it must be remembered that mice are not little men, particularly with regard to their telomeres, and it remains unclear whether a similar telomerase reactivation in adult humans would lead to the removal of senescent cells."

Lynne Cox, a biochemist at Oxford University, said the study was "extremely important" and "provides proof of principle that short-term treatment to restore telomerase in adults already showing age-related tissue degeneration can rejuvenate aged tissues and restore physiological function."

DePinho said none of Harvard's mice developed cancer after the treatment. The team is now investigating whether it extends the lifespan of mice or enables them to live healthier lives into old age.

Tom Kirkwood, director of the Institute for Ageing and Health at Newcastle University, said: "The key question is what might this mean for human therapies against age-related diseases? While there is some evidence that telomere erosion contributes to age-associated human pathology, it is surely not the only, or even dominant, cause, as it appears to be in mice engineered to lack telomerase. Furthermore, there is the ever-present anxiety that telomerase reactivation is a hallmark of most human cancers."
 
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Well, if this is possible.... I demand my ability of super strength.
 
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I imagine the Rich will def get this asap, especially the dying old men.

Oh my god.

Hugh hefner

He can reign over his legion of whores for another generation or two!
 
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Well in my opinion its possible. There is a sickness that makes you age 4 or 5 times faster than you should. So shouldnt the oposite be true as well. Age 4 to 5 times slower?
 
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Well in my opinion its possible. There is a sickness that makes you age 4 or 5 times faster than you should. So shouldnt the oposite be true as well. Age 4 to 5 times slower?
The question is; the world is already so over-populated...do we really need to live 4-5 times longer?

Also man, if true, imagine a 500 year old? The sights they;'d have seen, the changing times...wowzors...what would be the retirement age? Haha...400?
 
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The Earth itself isn't over-populated... there are just really concentrated areas.

I could see this being useful to astronauts.
 
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I could see this being useful to the genius of the world. I'm sure the guy working on it will get a vial for himself.
 
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2 moms talking

"My baby is so hard to control these years."

"Has he hit puberty?"

"Yes."

"He takes after his mother then. You were pretty wild when you were 60 to."
 
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Isn't there a species of lizard that can fully regenerate a limb if cut/ripped off? I want that too. Image people that suffer from crush syndrome and need to have one of their limbs amputated. It would just fully grow back in a matter of months of maybe even weeks.
 
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Well in my opinion its possible. There is a sickness that makes you age 4 or 5 times faster than you should. So shouldnt the oposite be true as well. Age 4 to 5 times slower?
If I remember correctly, that illness makes your cells divide at an accelerated rate, in essence turning you old very quickly. The opposite would most likely not be possible, our cells need to rejuvenate, if we'd lengthen the life span of our cells, who knows what kinds of new illnesses we'd introduce ourselves to.
 
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The Earth itself isn't over-populated... there are just really concentrated areas.

I could see this being useful to astronauts.
Yeah.. no, the earth really is kinda strained. If aging were was slowed down, breeding should slowed down too.
 
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What Sicron said. I don't think we're meant to live that long. Also, that faster aging-disease is calling progeria and it's horrible. To be perfectly honest, I think slower aging-disease would be equally as bad.
 
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We'd have to change the whole kid, teen, adult system.

You're a kid until you're 30, a teen until you're 50, and an adult at 80.
 
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Well, according to Obamacare, dependent coverage up to age 26 is mandated.

So, 26 is already the new 18.
 
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We'd have to change the whole kid, teen, adult system.

You're a kid until you're 30, a teen until you're 50, and an adult at 80.
Well, no. It's still about mental maturity. You'd be a kid until you're a teenager, until you're an adult. And then you'll stay an adult forever. I'm usually all for science breaking boundaries and expectations but I can't imagine actually living for 200+ years.
 
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Yeah, but no one could imagine living 100 years...a couple hundred years ago.

The average life span used to be in the early 30's...now we have people living to 112. To them ,it'd seem a miracle, unbelievable, ect, but to us...that's just how it is. So in future generations, if they live for 200+ years...they'll see that just how it is.

I'm still on the fence if I'd take it, really depends on many factors, like if I'd still get weak in my 60-70-80's and stay like that for the next 100+ years or something...then that'd suck, but if I could stay in the same shape I was say at, 35, for 100+ years, I'd be ok with it.
 
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The Earth itself isn't over-populated... there are just really concentrated areas.
The Earth can't really provide for more than 3-4 billion people with a decent standard of living.

We'd have to change the whole kid, teen, adult system.

You're a kid until you're 30, a teen until you're 50, and an adult at 80.
Or, you know, you could inject this when you're 35. I reckon that would be a way simpler solution.

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I don't think Sicron said that he was against immortality. He was against slowing down the rate of mitosis, because that has a lot of consequences. Reversing the decay of organs does in no way imply slower mitosis. Rather the opposite in some cases.
 
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Waiting till 35? People would revolt, because that knocks a HUGE part of the total possible life span away
 
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Edit:

Holy ****, the Guardian really sucks. I would recommend reading the Harvard Gazette instead:

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2010/11/partial-reversal-of-aging-achieved-in-mice/

It should be noted that to do this, we would have to install a "switch" in human DNA, activated by a substance. Telomerase, the substance that this switch makes you produce again when activated; protects your chromosomes. It seems logical that if your chromosomes get damaged as you get older, then the processes in which you create new proteins to repair your body also become less efficient, resulting in ageing. Basically, all you'd have to do is turn this switch on past the age of 25, and you'd never even have breakdown of your organs to any significant degree.

Oh, and Prozac: There's no benefit to taking something like this early. Your body doesn't start breaking down until you're 25+, as a rule.

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And it wouldn't be necessary to take it at 25. You could wait, since restoring telomerase function lets you repair damaged organs.

The only real question now is whether they find a switch that can specifically target muscle cells in certain areas and make them rejuvenate faster (for instance, the heart rejuvenates very slowly - but this might be remedied to some extent by the telomerase gene).
 
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