So we dont get an order to stop producing the mod, so that we can continue to host the site and the forums, so that we as an official group dont get in trouble with the law.Why does it say on the forum that ESF can't work with Counter-Strike, when it can, it's just not legal to run it like that? I mean, I get that you guys are anti-piracy, but why deny that it exists? Why not just not support it?
Hm, haven't thought of that, that pretty much answers my question, I guess.When people ask us if it runs with Counter Strike, we assume they are talking about a legit Counter-Strike off STEAM, not some pirated Counter-Strike. ESF does not run on a legit Counter Strike.
Valve was and still is one of the groundbreaking developers that put gaming on the chart on a whole different chapter.In many ways, they've accomplished more than Valve, a simple game manufacturer, ever will. Respect!
There are also things beyond the ESF team and Valve's control. When you want to bring out a game stand alone, not only does the ESF team need a license to use the GoldSrc engine, they would also need a license to use any licensed material. Ie. anything that has to do with DBZ. Now...how much money did you say you have on your bank account to finance that..?Hm, haven't thought of that, that pretty much answers my question, I guess.
But still, in my honest opinion (which I will not argue), ESF should have nothing to do with any corporation like Valve, as I'm sure that a lot of people have poured money into their pockets, just so they can play ESF online. I think the game should be a standalone. Let's face it, there aren't that many good mods for HL1, but ESF has simply taken it to the new level. Watching those ingame clips on YouTube, I can't believe how much progress the game has made since 1.2. It basically looks nothing like HL1 anymore, just uses its engine. And best of all, it's free. Not because I can't cough up $9.95, as I've done, to play the game, but because the team is doing it out of the shear love of doing it, with no thought of profit whatsoever. In many ways, they've accomplished more than Valve, a simple game manufacturer, ever will. Respect!
I thought that, if they aren't making money (which they aren't) licensed material, that they can freely use any of it? I mean, if it was stand alone, how would it be different from, say, some DBZ M.U.G.E.N. out there? Then again, that GoldSrc engine thing is something I haven't heard of yet, so I don't know what that is about, but the point I was making was that the team has already done so much, is responsible for hundreds of dollars in Valve's pockets, if I was Valve, I'd simply let them HAVE the engine of their 13 year-old game that almost no one even plays anymore, because, to be honest, the team is doing things with it Valve could/would never do.There are also things beyond the ESF team and Valve's control. When you want to bring out a game stand alone, not only does the ESF team need a license to use the GoldSrc engine, they would also need a license to use any licensed material. Ie. anything that has to do with DBZ. Now...how much money did you say you have on your bank account to finance that..?
Counter-Strike started out as a mod, Team Fortress Classic, The Specialists, Mech Mod, and many more HL1 mods were great in their time. HL1 has just slowly died out. I mean it is around 13 to 14 years old.Let's face it, there aren't that many good mods for HL1
You could argue this is fair use, but this probably wouldn't help them anyway. It's simple, really: When the coypright holder sends them a C&D, the mod is finished. A legal confrontation is risky and way too expensive for any modding project.I thought that, if they aren't making money (which they aren't) licensed material, that they can freely use any of it?
"Great in their time"? You make it sound like mods today are better.. I still haven't found a mod that is "The Specialists" on Source.. let alone better then it, same goes for TFC (really dislike the direction they went with TF2) and DoD. Lets not forget mods like Hostile Intent.. 2 of these 4 have Source versions that.. frankly (atleast when released) were not even half as good as the HL1 mod, as for TS and HI.. they don't have anything like them on Source, or moded for any other engine out there... That being said, would be nice if they ever released "Hostile Intent: Phoenix Rising". Would play the ever-living out of that untill ESF:F came out.Counter-Strike started out as a mod, Team Fortress Classic, The Specialists, Mech Mod, and many more HL1 mods were great in their time. HL1 has just slowly died out. I mean it is around 13 to 14 years old.