Hitler: Genius or Lunatic

[Bolteh2]

Devion: Hitler abused God to gain trust with most people.. Saying that God is on your side always lures fools to your side, Hitler did it, Bush does it, Extreme muslims do it (with Allah)..

If Hitler was so catholic/christian, he would never get a symbol from the hindoes to use as the flag of the nazi-regime

 

[Gama]

So no, I don't think he's a genius, at least not militarily. His army had better weapons and vehicles; that was really the only reason he got as far as he did, if you ask me.

and the fact that we deployed our troops along the german boarder and he attacked though belgum, we should of learn from the first WW cuz they did the same then

 

[Raeku]

I think he was more of a lunatic then a genius. He had a few "genius" advisors who made him look pretty smart but thats about it.

... Hitler also had jet fighters at the end of the war, which actually fought too.(Which England or America kept secret, it had something to do with a Hungarian scientist)

The jet engine was developed in 1939 by Hans Ohain. The first plane was the HE 178. The first combat turbojet to be built was the Messerschmitt Me 262. Hitler, going against his advisors decided to make the Me 262 a fighter-bomber instead of a fighter plane. Due to this, the lack of fuel and the lack of trained pilots only 300 Me 262's ever saw combat.

Another "not so smart" move by Hitler.

 

[Killface]

You guys seem to rule out the idea that he could've been a genius AND a lunatic.

Bout time someone would say that he is both... In my opinion, Hitler is a Smart, Crazy mother ****er. And a real **** also, but thats just me.

 

[DaRkOwNs]

a genius and a lunatic comes hand in hand

it all boils down to whether you succeed making you a genius, or fail making you a raving lunatic

 

[SailorAlea]

Nazi-germany was way ahead of nuclear development, they just missed 1 ingredient or they did something wrong, cant remember which. Hitler also had jet fighters at the end of the war, which actually fought too.(Which England or America kept secret, it had something to do with a Hungarian scientist)

Not as 'far ahead' as you seem to think.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/hydro/close.html

How close were the Nazis to developing an atomic bomb? The truth is that National Socialist Germany could not possibly have built a weapon like the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima or Nagasaki. This was not because the country lacked the scientists, resources, or will, but rather because its leaders did not really try.

They were certainly trying to win the war. And they were willing to devote huge amounts of resources to building rockets, jet planes, and other forms of deadly and sometimes exotic forms of military technology. So why not the atomic bomb? Nazi Germany, it turns out, made other choices and simply ran out of time.

 

[Devion]

Devion: Hitler abused God to gain trust with most people.. Saying that God is on your side always lures fools to your side, Hitler did it, Bush does it, Extreme muslims do it (with Allah)..

If Hitler was so catholic/christian, he would never get a symbol from the hindoes to use as the flag of the nazi-regime

Duh, but doesnt take the fact he is christian, and the Swastika is a whole different story.

He just used the symbol, because of their race purity/race theory. They believed that the first Aryan came out of India. The Swastika has nothing to do with the christian religion and the most Nazi were christian, just like the rest of (Western)-Europe.

The jet engine was developed in 1939 by Hans Ohain. The first plane was the HE 178. The first combat turbojet to be built was the Messerschmitt Me 262. Hitler, going against his advisors decided to make the Me 262 a fighter-bomber instead of a fighter plane. Due to this, the lack of fuel and the lack of trained pilots only 300 Me 262's ever saw combat.

That was a technical blunder, not military one. Also the Me's 262 were way to instable and got to hot to fly anyway because of the jet engines

Not as 'far ahead' as you seem to think.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/hydro/close.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nuclear_energy_project

Read the last lines, also German scientists(like Bohr) joined the Manhattan programs.(To help develop ofcourse)

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/germany/nuke.htm

They missed pure Uranium(U235) as stated in the text and which I early hinted in my first post.

 

[Jesus]

such a diverse topic, and yet every single one of you has failed to state that hitler was the man who brought germany out of the depression, in fact, germany was one of the most suffering countries of the depression, yet hitler managed to unite everyone, give everyone a job (not just as soldiers), and get everyone motivated to create a better country.

 

[SailorAlea]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nuclear_energy_project

Read the last lines, also German scientists(like Bohr) joined the Manhattan programs.(To help develop ofcourse)

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/germany/nuke.htm

They missed pure Uranium(U235) as stated in the text and which I early hinted in my first post.

Um.. You do realize Niels Bohr is a famous Danish physicist? Not a German. In any case, the articles you cited support my argument, not yours.

Heisenberg warned the German government in the fall of 1941 that the Americans were pursuing a nuclear explosive (plutonium) that could be made in a chain-reacting pile. The warning resulted in receiving the highest priority for his work from Albert Speer, Hitler's minister of munitions.

Weizsäcker had stated how fortunate it would be for the position of science in Germany after the victory to help so significantly towards this end with atomic weapons. But there was no possibility of carrying out such a large undertaking in Germany before the end of the war.

The German scientists had produced nuclear fission in the laboratory. They had also been looking at nuclear fusion and U-235 separations and were approaching criticality in a nuclear pile in a cave at Haigerloch. Their nuclear program was inhibited somewhat by a lack of enthusiasm on the part of Adolph Hitler, who believed the time frame was too long, and even more so by a serious miscalculation in its early stages...

The US Army Air Corps bombed the German nuclear production works near Berlin. Thus ended the German nuclear threat. Although General Groves was aware of this fact, he did not pass the information on to the scientists in the Manhattan Project...

(Alsos was a thinly disguised code name; in Greek it means "grove.") The mission found that the Germans working on an atomic bomb under Werner Heisenberg were far behind the United States.

You found the sources.. not me.

 

[SaiyanPrideXIX]

such a diverse topic, and yet every single one of you has failed to state that hitler was the man who brought germany out of the depression, in fact, germany was one of the most suffering countries of the depression, yet hitler managed to unite everyone, give everyone a job (not just as soldiers), and get everyone motivated to create a better country.

Some people have mentioned it. There was actually a car maker who created an incredibly fast car that won many american races; if I recall correctly he gave all of his money over to the Nazi party (before it was fully conceived) and that helped them to get the whole thing rolling. So technically, if the war had never happened, there might have been tons of other ways the economy could have boomed, relating to that auto thing.

 

[bile]

1) His generals were in charge for most of the tacticts and strategies.

2) He pulled his country out of a depression by giving jobs to people.. The way he did this: make sure jews, ***s, hipsies, handicap people didn't get jobs/got fired, so others could take over.. Then started an whole industry for military uses purposes only.. He may have gotten germany out of a depression for 5-6 years, but after that, germany was in an all time low.

1.) He was a decent strategist himself none the less, and his commanders such as Rommel were great.

2.) He provided jobs the same way our President pulled us out of the great depression

He went to war. The Jobs that were created by the mass need for weapons and suplies are what pulled the country out of debt.

And If He won world war I or II his country would have been in an all time High for decades. It was a chance he was obviously willing to take.

such a diverse topic, and yet every single one of you has failed to state that hitler was the man who brought germany out of the depression, in fact, germany was one of the most suffering countries of the depression, yet hitler managed to unite everyone, give everyone a job (not just as soldiers), and get everyone motivated to create a better country.

-points to his first post in this thread- =]

 

[*Gaara*]

I think he started of as a Genious driven by a dream but ended of as a Lunactic blinded by his dream.

He probably would have been able to win or atleast fight for a few years more if he wasnt so arrogant to belive the blitz-krieg strategy would work against the soviet union.
The finnish people held of a an army that outnumbered them more then 10-1 which made the russian army look weak and unefficent,i belive it was about then Hitler made his decision to attack them,guess we owe the finnish people in some way


Edit: Not that this has anything witht he topic but iam posting it anyway. I think one of the reasons the Russian army wasnt as great as it could be was:
a) Stalin executed more then 10,000 of his Officers and anyone that was against him.
b) They lacked Equipment.

Russia was sneaky during the WWII,when Germany was occpuied with brittian and America they Invaded small neighbouring countries knowing no one would have the manpower to interfare. However,going back to the topic here,one of the Reasons Hitler attacked Russia was that Russia supplied germany with tons of oil / fuel , and he didnt like being so dependent on someone else.

 

[Corefinder]

Finns sure ruled back then. It still brings a smile on my fase when i remember how they kicked ass.
Estonia triumphed over russains as well russians outnumberd estonians 100 to 1. Big big smile.

Russians might have superior numbers but theyr militari is pathetic.
Theyr "warriors" hide behind women and children knowing that german soldiers would have difficultes shooting at them.

The germans would have defeated the russians if Mussolini woudnt have attacked the greeks and then get beaten by them.

Well enyway Hitler was more humane than Stalin, Hitler killed just yews and geys but Stalin killed all ho were little bit wealthy and all ho were smarter than him, some times eaven random peapole cause he was paranoied that some one smarter will puch him of the prime secretay post and he was always awraid that some one will kill him.

 

[Gama]

germany would of beat russia if they attacked in aut time, cuz by the time they reach the cap it would of been spring time and russia would of just quit. But estonians were part of russia they were classed as russians and they fought with russias during the 2nd WW so i have no clue what ur talking about estonia triumphed unless ur speaking after the war

 

[Engar]

Well enyway Hitler was more humane than Stalin, Hitler killed just yews and geys but Stalin killed all ho were little bit wealthy and all ho were smarter than him, some times eaven random peapole cause he was paranoied that some one smarter will puch him of the prime secretay post and he was always awraid that some one will kill him.

That's a common misconception, Hitler killed a hell of a lot more than the Jewish or homosexuals. He killed the disabled - mentally and physically - alcoholics, depressives; there's an entire list of 'deficiencies' that could lead you to forced sterilisation. Resisting that would either get you shot or sent to a concentration camp.

Then there's women from whom Hitler stripped all rights. They couldn't work in anything other than a factory for the war effort and, in spite of all his talk of women being 'heroines', he made no concessions for those with four or five children, a state that he had actively encouraged before hand.

Catholics were afforded some protection in the beginning but by the time WW2 was in full swing Hitler had put himself forward as a mortal Messiah. People were taught to be faithful to Hitler, who was 'chosen' by God, and those who refused to accept the edited dogma where, again, shot or thrown into Concentration Camps. Let's not forget the other religions, especially those Hitler didn't like, who suffered. Jehova's Witnesses refused point blank to bow down under Hitler's new regime, of all religions they were one of the few that could claim near complete resistance and thousands died for it.

And as for paranoia, I suggest you read a little deeper. Hitler killed plenty of his closest friends in order to secure his position and, for the record, he destroyed his own country in the lunacy that led to the end of WW2.

So, no, you're completely mistaken.

Hitler wasn't in any way a nicer man than Stalin.

He just had a smaller area to reign over and less people to kill.

 

[Devion]

Um.. You do realize Niels Bohr is a famous Danish physicist? Not a German. In any case, the articles you cited support my argument, not yours.

You found the sources.. not me.

Look at sources, they were only missing 1 ingredient, U235

So were both right.

Catholics were afforded some protection in the beginning but by the time WW2 was in full swing Hitler had put himself forward as a mortal Messiah. People were taught to be faithful to Hitler, who was 'chosen' by God, and those who refused to accept the edited dogma where, again, shot or thrown into Concentration Camps. Let's not forget the other religions, especially those Hitler didn't like, who suffered. Jehova's Witnesses refused point blank to bow down under Hitler's new regime, of all religions they were one of the few that could claim near complete resistance and thousands died for it.

Actually he didnt, this is one of the great fairy tales of WW2. Hilter saw him as someone important(Maybe even send by god), Messiah is over the top. People try to monsternise(new word ) Hitler. Just ask yourself why Der Untergang got some many critics. Because it showed Hitler as a mere (misleaded)human being instead of a big monster people are trying to make him.

In terms of bodycount Stalin was much worse, he killed alot more people. He was even so paranoid that he killed his close friends and officiers, believing that they were trying to assasinate him.

 

[g0jack]

In terms of bodycount Stalin was much worse, he killed alot more people. He was even so paranoid that he killed his close friends and officiers, believing that they were trying to assasinate him.

Is this bodycount proportionate to populace or no?

 

[Devion]

Is this bodycount proportionate to populace or no?

The argument that Stalin had more people to kill is flawed, Hitler controlled almost all of Europe, which is more people then Russia(Sovjet Union)) ever had.

 

[Corefinder]

germany would of beat russia if they attacked in aut time, cuz by the time they reach the cap it would of been spring time and russia would of just quit. But estonians were part of russia they were classed as russians and they fought with russias during the 2nd WW so i have no clue what ur talking about estonia triumphed unless ur speaking after the war

We fought against russia 1941-1944. We are not russians, why must you insult us, you may class us eny way you want dosnt matter, but we are no russians.

Germany would have beaten russia if Italy woudnt have attacked Greeks, Mussolini coudnt handel it and asked Hitler for help, so Hitler had to weaken its assault on Russia (if im not mistaken here).

Yes Hitler wasnt a nice man but Stalin was alot more worse.
In terms of bodycount, the number of killed by communism is greater than those killed by natzis. (not proportional number).
Yes Hitler put all his peapole at factorys and diging ditches....
But Stalin did it to and he didnt give the workers nothing as Hitler gave atleast half loaf of bread atleast (well not jews).

 

[Gama]

We fought against russia 1941-1944. We are not russians, why must you insult us, you may class us eny way you want dosnt matter, but we are no russians.

estonia was part of the USSR, and they never fough with russia in 1941 - 44 my old man teaches history and he dont recall anything of that and iv looked at history sites such as history channel and they have no record of estonia going to war with russia.
http://www.historychannel.com/thcsearch/thc_resourcedetail.do?encyc_id=226140