its done, all that needs done is a little skin work now, i have one in a coat and one where he is in that little wierd jump suit tanktop thing, the problem keepin me from releasing it is the one with the coat messes up, i cant get the damned thing to stick on him, i tried welding the vertices and adding the coat to the same group as the body but nothins workin so i wont release it til i get that, it will be for action half life by the way until my friends mod gets underway, im about to start on the castor model for first person play, and i just started ron mcdougal, ill have pics as soon as i skin the jacket, ps, its not $h!tty i cant beleive it turned out as well as it did for a first complete model