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[DiebytheSword]

You can attack the tea party all you like, I'm not taking the bait. You are left of center, I am right of center, we will not come to common ground on taxes and the largess of government. I'm also not going to spot you the will of the people, so lets agree to disagree.

Anderson Cooper is still the first person to use the sexual connotations as a slur against the group. As we all know, three signs don't make a movement, unless they're printed by Al Sharpton as union thugs get on busses to protest in other states.

 

[Zeonix]

An attack on the Tea Party on my part would be filled with vitriol; not passing remarks. There's no bait to take.

While Cooper may be the first person to use the preexisting sexual connotations as a slur against the group on the air (I say on the air because 3 seconds after seeing what they were calling themselves, the internet was abuzz with laughter), I think photographic evidence is enough to suggest the Tea Party used these same connotations to "cleverly" assail their perceived enemies. The term is a double-edged sword, and they happen to be poor swordsmen.

 

[Avenger]

I find it strange that Americans think there is such a thing as "right" and "left" in their country. There is only one side of the political spectrum in the US, and that side is the "right" side. There is a severe shortage of democracy there as a result of the two-party system, and the ridiculous amounts of money involved in getting someone elected, purchasing congressmen, senators, and other people in the government. Rather than campaigns based on ideologies and reasonable arguments, your political arena has become a circus in which how much money you throw around and how much you can pervert the actual matters at hand to fit your agenda are the key attributes that define who is victorious.

This verdict is a continuation of that circus.

 

[Zeonix]

I find it strange that Americans think there is such a thing as "right" and "left" in their country. There is only one side of the political spectrum in the US, and that side is the "right" side. There is a severe shortage of democracy there as a result of the two-party system, and the ridiculous amounts of money involved in getting someone elected, purchasing congressmen, senators, and other people in the government. Rather than campaigns based on ideologies and reasonable arguments, your political arena has become a circus in which how much money you throw around and how much you can pervert the actual matters at hand to fit your agenda are the key attributes that define who is victorious.

This verdict is a continuation of that circus.

While all of that is mostly true, it isn't solely about how much money can be thrown into a cause. You see, people are stupid. They're also highly competitive. Politics has become a sport of sorts. Sure, some people know the ins and outs of the sport, and some know all of their players and stats. But for the most part, no one cares. That's what has happened to our political system. It's a game now. A team is chosen, and you stick with that team because there are only two, and the other one is garbage. That's all you know. You don't really know any specifics, but who needs details when a 1-sentence summary can give you the same amount of knowledge, right? Hell, why even read articles when its really just a longer version of the headline. The players aren't really know, but that doesn't matter because they play for my team. As long as we win, who cares?

Of course, everyone gets ****ed in the end. But it isn't because our team failed. No. It's because the other team cheated or won on a technicality. But our team will get them next time. Some people say there's really only one team, but they hate the sport to begin with. They aren't true fans. No. Not a true fan like me.

 

[DiebytheSword]

While all of that is mostly true, it isn't solely about how much money can be thrown into a cause. You see, people are stupid. They're also highly competitive. Politics has become a sport of sorts. Sure, some people know the ins and outs of the sport, and some know all of their players and stats. But for the most part, no one cares. That's what has happened to our political system. It's a game now. A team is chosen, and you stick with that team because there are only two, and the other one is garbage. That's all you know. You don't really know any specifics, but who needs details when a 1-sentence summary can give you the same amount of knowledge, right? Hell, why even read articles when its really just a longer version of the headline. The players aren't really know, but that doesn't matter because they play for my team. As long as we win, who cares?

Of course, everyone gets ****ed in the end. But it isn't because our team failed. No. It's because the other team cheated or won on a technicality. But our team will get them next time. Some people say there's really only one team, but they hate the sport to begin with. They aren't true fans. No. Not a true fan like me.

I'll agree with a good chunk of this. People don't think before they vote, and when they do vote its for all the wrong reasons. I'm not affiliated with either party for a reason. I vote accordingly. My team is the way of life we have, and what this country stands for. Obviously I'm for small government and low taxes. Even though we are from opposite Ideals, I would have less of a problem with politics in general if more people voted for the other team for Nix's reasons. I ran into a bunch of people that vote for their team because "My old man did it that way" at work that just endlessly piss me off. It is interesting to see how the political enviroment has gotten so poisonous for a party that had a strangle hold on the system, though. The only thing they didn't control was the supreme court. The people at work went from being 60% dem 40% rep to only three people who will argue for the Democrats. Everyone else switched sides or literally won't talk about it.

 

[Zeonix]

I'll agree with a good chunk of this. People don't think before they vote, and when they do vote its for all the wrong reasons. I'm not affiliated with either party for a reason. I vote accordingly. My team is the way of life we have, and what this country stands for. Obviously I'm for small government and low taxes. Even though we are from opposite Ideals, I would have less of a problem with politics in general if more people voted for the other team for Nix's reasons. I ran into a bunch of people that vote for their team because "My old man did it that way" at work that just endlessly piss me off. It is interesting to see how the political enviroment has gotten so poisonous for a party that had a strangle hold on the system, though. The only thing they didn't control was the supreme court. The people at work went from being 60% dem 40% rep to only three people who will argue for the Democrats. Everyone else switched sides or literally won't talk about it.

Reminiscent of popular opinion in regards to the previous administration, albeit for very, very different reasons.

 

[Synth]

We can argue political sides and views, but this world will eventually become a completely socialist corporation in the name of efficiency. The elephant/donkey sideshow is just there to make you feel less insignificant. I mean at what point does it click that all this bureaucracy is just corrupt fundraising for special interest groups, and the only reason you hear about it is because someone is no longer welcome in the food chain. I love the new main character on the TV show Mr. President. He has this stare that really guilts all the racism and bigotry right out of you through this sophisticated formula only dreamed by the original founders of behavorial adjustment. Let's face it... racism is inefficient and humans need a killer instinct that doesn't spill over into us killing ourselves and each other.

The funny part is we get to watch as the majority of hidden-racism in the USA comes out of the closet to get teabagged.

 

[Rocky]

Least you guys get to choose whether you vote or not.

Australia had it's last federal election about two weeks ago, as you may or may not know, voting is compulsory in this country. Since I doubt many of you have much knowledge of Australian politics, I refer you to the south park dilemma of the Giant Douche vs. the Turd Sandwich, never in the history of politics ever, has an election been closer to this analogy. The end result, a hung parliament where neither party had enough seats to govern (that's right, my countries government is hung baby.) so this leads to the two parties bartering with the 3 independents seats making bloated promises to secure their support in order to be able to lead.

Best part? There was a record number of informal votes cast, (618,435) basically votes that were completed incorrectly and cannot be counted. If you consider Australia's population is relatively low, it was somewhere over 5% of total votes cast that were discounted.

So yeah, before you talk about how bad your political system is, spare a thought for my fail country and it's incompetent and retarded government.

 

[DiebytheSword]

Yeah, that's pretty much how it is in the US, except you can choose not to vote. I haven't been happy with a President in years, nor a senator or my Representative, or my Govenor. Fortunately for me, my Senator is already done this year with a primary defeat, and my Rep is down hard in polling, Health Care was career suicide for him.

 

[Rocky]

Yeah, that's pretty much how it is in the US, except you can choose not to vote.

Your system is already 100x better.

 

[Zeonix]

Your system is already 100x better.

A very small percentage of the population actually votes as a result of this. That's rarely a good thing.

 

[harSens]

I find it strange that Americans think there is such a thing as "right" and "left" in their country. There is only one side of the political spectrum in the US, and that side is the "right" side. There is a severe shortage of democracy there as a result of the two-party system, and the ridiculous amounts of money involved in getting someone elected, purchasing congressmen, senators, and other people in the government. Rather than campaigns based on ideologies and reasonable arguments, your political arena has become a circus in which how much money you throw around and how much you can pervert the actual matters at hand to fit your agenda are the key attributes that define who is victorious.

This verdict is a continuation of that circus.

It's not like it's a whole lot better in coalition based political systems. Sure the individual parties are a bit more extreme in their points, but once the coalition is formed, those extremes are mellowed out and you always end up near the same center. Rather than choosing between economic left+social progressive or economical right+social conservative (irt the center) there is a bit more to pick at the cost of long coalition talks and less stable governments. As for the circus, we have had one issue parties for pirates, pedophiles, anti-moslim activists, senior rights activists, animal rights activists, communists, christian extremists, party-people, etc on the ballot. Most of these actually make it in the parliament too.

As EU (and in my case as a kingdom which does not employ trias politica) we probably shouldn't lecture the US on the influence of money and the lack of democracy.

 

[Skiwan]

I'll just leave this here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_depaSOa4I

 

[DiebytheSword]

A very small percentage of the population actually votes as a result of this. That's rarely a good thing.

Yeah, the number is stunningly small, less than a third of elegible adults vote, believing that they are all crooks and it doesn't matter how you vote. Hence your hate the game comment earlier. The end result is an elected official that really doesn't believe that he answers to the people, or one that need not uphold his oath to protect the constitution.

 

[Rocky]

A very small percentage of the population actually votes as a result of this. That's rarely a good thing.

The alternative is people deliberately voting incorrectly in order to achieve the same result. What's the difference? At least in America you get to make the choice, here you have to go about it in a roundabout way to say "screw it" to the system.