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Just checked this pic


And to behonest I was quite dissapointed, I think the level of detail achieved on the skin is quite poor compared to some of the work available. The modelling seems pretty decent, although can't really comment on it without seening any flats.

However, the shading on the pants looks very monotone, one colour with dodge and burn doesn't show much variation or real depth in the folds, theres hardly any highlights on it and doesn't show much texture work. I guess for a standard anime texture its alright but compared to some of the other Z textures I've seen around here its urrrg.
The top is average by best, the black section doesn't really suggest any type of material and looks very flat shaded again, the arms are probably the best bit on this part, muscle anatomy seems fine. The hands from what I see are need some re-working, they look like a one tone hue with a grey brush used to fill in the detail !!?!$!"£ check some human references for hands / or look at your own hands, theres blues, reds and yellow hues in your hands,,,. I think the overall skin tone has some issue too, but then again its difficult to find a common reference throughout dbz
The face is ok, but yet again far to much use of true black shadows makes her look almost goth if it wasn't for those blonde locks. The lips do look nice I think thats a well worked part of the texture, but the whole face skin seems one tone. I guess there maybe highlights / shadows on the face? but if there are the rendering technique you've used has blocked them out.

This is not meant to be a flame in anyway just some things that are very noticeable and I am no master artist either...
 
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I can't comment on most of what he said as I'm pathetic and modelling and skinning but from what I gather Showster doesn't like it and tbh I agree with him. She looks like some poor working class mother who lives in a trailer. Her breasts look far too big, and from some angles she looks a few weeks pregnant.
These are just some crits, no flame intended.
 
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This just looks unfinished to me :/ I have to say I don't like it, I couldn't do better myself thou.
First thing I noticed, her hair, it looks textureless somehow and it isn't so bumped.
Her face, something is wrong with those eyebrows and she dosen't have lips like that, she will look better with the typical anime mouth.
Her torso and brests are odd looking, needs smoothness imo.
Her earing is a gold colored ring and not a red square shaped one.
I think you guys made her a bit too manly when she's just a tough girl, she needs more womenly evil o_-
Nothing more I notice rigth now.

 
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i do not really like it too, her head is too big, her earring isn't right (wrong color, and it's sqaure), and i don't like her lips (wrong color, make it more like her skin). her hair isn't right to, compare it with SaKuMa's picture of #18.
 
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it looks like C18 has a wig on >_>
The lips look like shes had a botox injection <_<
and it looks like shes had implants ;O

give her her calm face too....she had the calm expression throughout most of the show
 
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Showster said:
Just checked this pic
And to behonest I was quite dissapointed, I think the level of detail achieved on the skin is quite poor compared to some of the work available. The modelling seems pretty decent, although can't really comment on it without seening any flats.

However, the shading on the pants looks very monotone, one colour with dodge and burn doesn't show much variation or real depth in the folds, theres hardly any highlights on it and doesn't show much texture work. I guess for a standard anime texture its alright but compared to some of the other Z textures I've seen around here its urrrg.
The top is average by best, the black section doesn't really suggest any type of material and looks very flat shaded again, the arms are probably the best bit on this part, muscle anatomy seems fine. The hands from what I see are need some re-working, they look like a one tone hue with a grey brush used to fill in the detail !!?!$!"£ check some human references for hands / or look at your own hands, theres blues, reds and yellow hues in your hands,,,. I think the overall skin tone has some issue too, but then again its difficult to find a common reference throughout dbz
The face is ok, but yet again far to much use of true black shadows makes her look almost goth if it wasn't for those blonde locks. The lips do look nice I think thats a well worked part of the texture, but the whole face skin seems one tone. I guess there maybe highlights / shadows on the face? but if there are the rendering technique you've used has blocked them out.

This is not meant to be a flame in anyway just some things that are very noticeable and I am no master artist either...

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Hey dude, your entitled to your opinion. It doesn't bother me as long as you explain why. I happen to like the way 18 looks, but then again I am the one who skinned her so maybe you see something I don't. Now that that's out of the way.

here is the flat (the hair is in a seperate texture)
<img src="http://www.esforces.com/Mastasurf/news/10_14_04/andriod18map.jpg">

Let me start off by saying that I did not touch this skin with dodge or burn. It is all airbrushed/smudged. Also, "Note that her hair will actually have alpha transparency ingame so you will see strands towards the front of her hair." This is taken directly from the news post. There is a lack of detail her hair because it is going to be transparent in places. I didn't include the transparency color in the render because you would see red streaks everywhere.

Concerning the pants. What folds are you talking about? She is wearing semi tight jeans. I spent a few hours looking through different refrences, both animated and real. The only real folds there are are near the crotch and near the bend of the knee. She isn't really bulky either so there shouldn't be any real muscle definition showing through.

If you look at the flat map i'm sure you've noticed that I did add red, blue, and yellow pigments to the fleshtone. All the renders were quickly done with default lighting with self illumination cranked on, so I suppose that would wipe out a lot of the contrast. Now I have to ask, does it really look bad, or does it just look bad in comparison to the soft and blurry style that is seems to be the norm for dbz skinners? All 15+ people I sent it to for crits before finalizing the skin seemed to like it (minus the big hair).

Once again, crits are fine as long as you explain them. Thanks for the feedback.
 

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jeans or not.. folds are objects that cast shading and receive lighting.. not just darker lines.. same goes with the shirt and arms.. its just darker lines without even some kind of fadeout

the other esf models have a dbz feel to it, this one lacks everything to have a dbz feel.. maybe apart from the eyes..


the model: she has 2 tumors on her chest and 1 big tumor on her back.. gg should start checking female anatomy.. this are not breasts.. period
the back has this weird bump in the perspective view
like most other dbz models, the head fails from side and perspective veiw.. the jaws should be shaped _) in perspective, but more like _/.. thats dbz.. now she looks like she got a bad toothache..

very manly hands for a female to

and the hair is bigger/same size as the upperbody.. uhu, ok
 
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My Crits:

1.Torso is odd looking. It looks good when you look at it from the front and the back but when you look at it from the angle right to the front one. the top of the torso looks kinda fat (not talking about her breast, Look at the back. She has a hump on her back from that angle)

2.Her Lips are Pink. I dont remember her ever wearing lipstick. A regular anime mouth will be fine, or you could reskin the lips skin color.

3. Her Earing is Red. Sure this is a minor problem, and i understand that you made it look square to conserve Polys maybe. just make it gold.
 
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I remember in dbz they said that 17, and 18 were teenagers during the Cell Saga. Well they still have teenage bodies. Anyway 18 was not fully developed looking like that, she did not have big Bulma titties, or a big ass, and yes why does she look like she is pregnant? Are you trying to capture a Krillin knocking her up feel to her?

Nor did she have big DSL lips. DSL = **** Sucking Lips, or what I like to call the Angelina Jolie lips.

Her arms are not supposed to show muscle of any kind. The undershirt that is white is supposed to be white, not a see through white.

The only things I could say I actually like are the eyes, the skintone, and the hair.
 
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I just realised what's missing. Its her top. Shouldn't it be that Red Ribbon jacket in Sakuma's pic? I also think her jeans are a bit too high. The distance from the belt to the crotch looks very big. If you lowered that and changed the top I think it'll greatly improve the model.
 
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The jeans are like that, in the 80's its how you wore'em.
 
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I think generally the face is done quite well apart from the lips, they're too thick and dark, and the earring colour needs to be changed (but that's said before). I think the eyebrows could be a little thinner.

The hair needs to look less like a blonde lump on her head and more detailed, i'd rather see more detail in the hair than having it translucent/transparent in places. Also the fold is on the wrong side;

<img src="http://www.saiyanultimate.com/android183.jpg">

Android 18 was quite pale, I think the skin tone needs to be lighter, also the white on the clothing needs to be straight up white and not dirty white.

The breasts are far too big, that was the first thing I noticed. Look at the above pic, she hardly has them, they'd still be noticeable if they were smaller.
 
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I think the main problem is the lips, first thing i noticed and too noticable. I think a line (anime mouth) would do alot better, since i never once seen her with lips it just makes her look not like 18.



Her hair should be fliped so the split is on her left side, and left hair going behind her ear. I think that ould improve on the model alot. little things off just makes it weird to me..

and maybe on the sides of the eyes add those "lashes" lines
 
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The lips look good and do a better job than a simple line anime mouth i think.
Agreed RavenTrunks, them eyelashes would help #18's eyes. She needs something to make her eyes more femanine and not so Vegeta like.
There is also this weird lump coming out of her back that should be cut off (3rd picture across)
The body looks like it needs a little more work, them ab marks for #18 might be better taken off.
If you look at the #18 anime picture her top comes down a bit more, just below her collar bone mark, not up to her neck :p
From what i see the rest is good, and you can clearly tell that's #18 unless your blind... nearly ESF quality, just a few more touches.
 
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she got a boob job in ESF, you get to see them bounCee bouncEe in game :eek:

oh yeah the lips, she didnt wear lipstick, and the lining around the eyes could be darker, but i think it looks good mastah GOODjab =P
 
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ya .. her breats look too big somehow
and the lips + earring are also not really right.
also the pants are too high and too tight.
and the head / hair proportion just doesnt look right.

oh well it's not like you pay too much attention to the model you play with anyway.
 
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She looks middle-aged. Bleh. :no:
 
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Yeah C#18 look's kinda ugly......the c#18 in the Zeq2 game look's better.....this C#18 need's more work......and where is her jacket??
 

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