cooler vs ssj goku (namek saga)

[MC]

so like zeonix said that this is all about future vs past!?

More or less.

 

[hellrider]

More or less.

well...but my vote still at goku...he always win....

 

[.Guzzie.]

Hmmm, nahh. In Gohan's case over the years his power had decreased.

The fight of Goku V Cooler occured during the 3 years the Z fighters were waiting for the Androids to appear.

-GuZzie

 

[hellrider]

Hmmm, nahh. In Gohan's case over the years his power had decreased.

The fight of Goku V Cooler occured during the 3 years the Z fighters were waiting for the Androids to appear.

-GuZzie

is that the proof which the fact to prove cooler stronger than goku?

 

[john_volkov]

anyway Special movies suck's in pl in evrything

 

[.Guzzie.]

Nop. Cooler was stronger than Goku [ Namek Saga ] because Goku struggled to beat after years of training. So imagine Goku vs-ing Cooler when he hadn't trained at all. Goku would get ripped in half.

-GuZzie

 

[Skiwan]

Goku was actually stronger than Frieza. Goku toyed with Frieza after he became a SSJ. At least that's what I think since it did look like Goku wasn't giving it his all.

Well he said something to Frieza at some point when he'd just transformed that It would be his own techniques that defeated him (something like that anyway)

Regardless, The cooler movie didn't make sense anyway, If goku was back on earth (after trunks talked to him and stuff) he'd be able to transform at will. In the movie he had to be pushed to almost the same extent as the first time he transformed. Doesn't make sense to me, time line wise, this was before trunks had arrived and after Frieza was defeated =/, if anything i think Goku was at the same kinda power he had in the Namek saga.

 

[john_volkov]

Well he said something to Frieza at some point when he'd just transformed that It would be his own techniques that defeated him (something like that anyway)

Regardless, The cooler movie didn't make sense anyway, If goku was back on earth (after trunks talked to him and stuff) he'd be able to transform at will. In the movie he had to be pushed to almost the same extent as the first time he transformed. Doesn't make sense to me, time line wise, this was before trunks had arrived and after Frieza was defeated =/, if anything i think Goku was at the same kinda power he had in the Namek saga.

If like you sayid that Cooler know a new transforation so Cooler will defenelty win agains SSJ goku if it's like Davidskiwan said

 

[.Guzzie.]

Yep, so that's it


Cooler would own Goku [Namek Saga]

End of story, close the thread.

-GuZzie

 

[Kreshi]

According to Davidskiwan SSJ Goku [namek saga] would win, because the SSJ Goku who fought cooler and beat him was at the same level as namek Saga SSJ Goku =/. The movies don?t make sense time line wise anyway.

--> Nameks Saga Goku = SSJ Goku who fought Cooler > Cooler > Frieza

I hope i didn?t misunderstood anything =P

 

[.Guzzie.]

Hmm, no. As we know, when Goku arrived in Yadrat he was well...half dead. Therefore his power level would've increased due to him being a Saiyan. Plus, this movie occured in during the 3 years the Z warriors were preparing themselves against the androids, thus Goku would've trained and become stronger. As you can see....>_> Goku was not at the same Pl in Namek.

-GuZzie

 

[Kreshi]

Hmm, no. As we know, when Goku arrived in Yadrat he was well...half dead. Therefore his power level would've increased due to him being a Saiyan. Plus, this movie occured in during the 3 years the Z warriors were preparing themselves against the androids, thus Goku would've trained and become stronger. As you can see....>_> Goku was not at the same Pl in Namek.

-GuZzie

ya that?s a point.

 

[hellrider]

Goku was actually stronger than Frieza. Goku toyed with Frieza after he became a SSJ. At least that's what I think since it did look like Goku wasn't giving it his all.

well, in power frieza was actually stronger but his muscle lack his speed as well and also consume his strangth(cell was mention about it when trunks turned from assj into ussj2.) the muscle makes frieza much slow than before which allow goku have more adventage in battle(but in duh version seem like goku had more touble than usual!?), according to the final battle goku admin frieza burned out his energy which the strangth would drop due the fighting. and because frieza is much slower than his normal condition which made him more injury and damage. but yeah, cooler is smarter and choose not to go full power when goku turned to ssj because he already figure our that would slug lots of speed instandly.

Hmm, no. As we know, when Goku arrived in Yadrat he was well...half dead. Therefore his power level would've increased due to him being a Saiyan. Plus, this movie occured in during the 3 years the Z warriors were preparing themselves against the androids, thus Goku would've trained and become stronger. As you can see....>_> Goku was not at the same Pl in Namek.

-GuZzie

ok, like roshi said, stronger isn't always win. both strategy and experense are more important due in the fight. there's lots of example about the weaker defeat the stronger. there's a question. is cooler ever been a martial art master? is he ever train before?

without ki blast, kamehameha, basic melee, ganeric beam...etc he still had a lots of move. go and watch db series again(especially the part that matent roshi trained goku and krillin.)...cooler is nothing look like gorilla when he fought goku...

 

[MC]

well, in power frieza was actually stronger but his muscle lack his speed as well and also consume his strangth(cell was mention about it when trunks turned from assj into ussj2.) the muscle makes frieza much slow than before which allow goku have more adventage in battle(but in duh version seem like goku had more touble than usual!?), according to the final battle goku admin frieza burned out his energy which the strangth would drop due the fighting. and because frieza is much slower than his normal condition which made him more injury and damage. but yeah, cooler is smarter and choose not to go full power when goku turned to ssj because he already figure our that would slug lots of speed instandly.

Frieza wasn't slower, he actually got faster when he pumped up to 100%. Remember that Cell, Trunks, SSJ2, ASSJ, etcetera weren't in mind when Goku was fighting Frieza.

Goku's SSJ form was still his advantage when Frieza went for the full 100%.

Cooler did use his full power when he went to the 5th form. Frieza, Cooler, Zarbon, among a number of others' main strength was their transformations. Frieza had to transform into the other forms in order to use more of his power, the same with Cooler and Zarbon.

ok, like roshi said, stronger isn't always win. both strategy and experense are more important due in the fight. there's lots of example about the weaker defeat the stronger. there's a question. is cooler ever been a martial art master? is he ever train before?

without ki blast, kamehameha, basic melee, ganeric beam...etc he still had a lots of move. go and watch db series again(especially the part that matent roshi trained goku and krillin.)...cooler is nothing look like gorilla when he fought goku...

You don't have to be a Martial Arts master in order to beat someone, plus being called a master of the Martial Arts is more of a title of respect. Strategy doesn't work if you aren't able to pull it off, which in this case, Goku doesn't for a while.

 

[hellrider]

Frieza wasn't slower, he actually got faster when he pumped up to 100%. Remember that Cell, Trunks, SSJ2, ASSJ, etcetera weren't in mind when Goku was fighting Frieza.

Goku's SSJ form was still his advantage when Frieza went for the full 100%.

Cooler did use his full power when he went to the 5th form. Frieza, Cooler, Zarbon, among a number of others' main strength was their transformations. Frieza had to transform into the other forms in order to use more of his power, the same with Cooler and Zarbon.

you're kinda remind ne about it, this isn't only happan in cell saga, this problem first appear in saiyan saga(I forgot which episode.) when nappa went full power to against goku and goku mentions about it about nappa getting much stronger but also much slower. much like cell and frieza tried to power up when they are in despreted.

yeah, must likely as you mention before, goku wasn't even try to beat frieza when frieza went 100% because he knows frieza was no longer a threat and he knew he's winning. I dunno about cooler but one thing for sure that cooler seems put out the strangth but still not like cell by increacing size in order to gain more power.(ep 172 cell's mighty breakdawn.) for me that cooler was been afraid he would be humiliate by goku if he still insist to fight. so he chose the fire deathnova into earth.

You don't have to be a Martial Arts master in order to beat someone, plus being called a master of the Martial Arts is more of a title of respect. Strategy doesn't work if you aren't able to pull it off, which in this case, Goku doesn't for a while.

still the martial art are much usually been useful in the combat, epecially that will allow user take dawn the opponent who stronger than the user.

 

[.Guzzie.]

*Sigh* I seriously can't understand what your saying Hellrider. But the fact that Cooler threw that Death Ball to Earth was part of his stratergy. Like you said, Cooler didn't want to feel humilated, and therefore he chose the Death Ball. Point taken- It can go into Cooler's smartness.

-GuZzie

 

[hellrider]

*Sigh* I seriously can't understand what your saying Hellrider. But the fact that Cooler threw that Death Ball to Earth was part of his stratergy. Like you said, Cooler didn't want to feel humilated, and therefore he chose the Death Ball. Point taken- It can go into Cooler's smartness.

-GuZzie

fool!

that isn't prove that cooler is smarter, frieza done the same thing before when he's in the most despration in his life...(watch ep 80 namek explossion) they both figure out saiyan couldn't able to survive in the space so they fired it into the planet when they knew the fight is hopeless(but somehow frieza wasn't so lucky.)

cooler wasn't holding back in the movie but also he wasn't want to try like frieza because he knew the muscle would seriously slow him dawn. only reason that frieza turned 100%(or he was bluff, that was beyond 100% like ussj in order to increasing muscle to gain extra power.) because he felt desprated and he still refused to give up. read the maga! frieza was a greatest leader and strategist. but cooler...........he's nothing but a street gang to me...

 

[MC]

fool!

that isn't prove that cooler is smarter, frieza done the same thing before when he's in the most despration in his life...(watch ep 80 namek explossion) they both figure out saiyan couldn't able to survive in the space so they fired it into the planet when they knew the fight is hopeless(but somehow frieza wasn't so lucky.)

Episode 80 is when Goku goes SSJ, Episode 82 is when Frieza destroys Namek's core. Frieza destroyed Namek's core out of desperation that he might lose, Cooler fired the Death Ball in desperation that he might lose. Both of them used the Death Ball out of desperation.

cooler wasn't holding back in the movie but also he wasn't want to try like frieza because he knew the muscle would seriously slow him dawn. only reason that frieza turned 100%(or he was bluff, that was beyond 100% like ussj in order to increasing muscle to gain extra power.) because he felt desprated and he still refused to give up. read the maga! frieza was a greatest leader and strategist. but cooler...........he's nothing but a street gang to me...

Cooler didn't have to be like Frieza since Cooler found a transformation beyond what Frieza was capable of obtaining. Frieza really didn't get any slower judging by the episodes from which he fought at 100%. Even though Goku wasn't trying with everything he had, Frieza managed to catch him a number of times.

 

[Andy011]

This doesn't make sense

Cooler may be STRONG!!..but Goku would still own him.


How is Goku smarter?? When did Goku's "smartness" influence towards defeated Cooler??

All Goku did was throw Coolers Ball back at him and...he was gone.

-GuZzie

It didn't against cooler, but it did against super #13, when he started charging his Spirit Bomb. By the way, why are you making threads about dbz movies and not series? The movies are ridiculous and propostrous (if that's how u spell that :O). For all we know, Toei might've as well made Videl defeat Kid Buu or some crap like that. Without Akira Toriyama, it's a mess.

 

[hellrider]

Episode 80 is when Goku goes SSJ, Episode 82 is when Frieza destroys Namek's core. Frieza destroyed Namek's core out of desperation that he might lose, Cooler fired the Death Ball in desperation that he might lose. Both of them used the Death Ball out of desperation.

but somehow cooler hasn't had the chance like frieza if that dathnova actually hit on earth and destroy the core(it seems would be happan because cooler put too much energy on it.) because it's a movie which cooler won't have any chance to continue the match. but for my opinion he would do the same frieza did if he dodge that deathnova when goku push back. we don't know what cooler would capable of however he would try to beat goku without turnning 100%.

Cooler didn't have to be like Frieza since Cooler found a transformation beyond what Frieza was capable of obtaining. Frieza really didn't get any slower judging by the episodes from which he fought at 100%. Even though Goku wasn't trying with everything he had, Frieza managed to catch him a number of times.

at the final battle on namek frieza can't even catch goku's speed when he turned 100% and took more damage than goku when they were in melee struggle. but it does hurt when goku got punch from frieza. beside you meant goku wasn't try because goku couldn't able to sense the energy after central core destroyed. beside goku wasn't know what was he trully capable of. he didn't how stronger he can be and also he depands on power sense too much.

frieza knows his weakness so he using hide and seek strategy to buying time. and take more damage from goku and find the change to give a strong hit. well, that's my oppinion.