America: From Freedom to Fascism

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Anyone see this movie yet?
I'm about half-way through it, pretty interesting although I knew you didn't have to pay income tax already.
 
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You're still getting arrested if you don't.
 
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Yeah, I agree that labeling people or events as "patriotic" is no different from the Nazis.
 
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What the Hell??? Look, just leave us alone! ****, I'm so tired of hearing such utter bull****! So we're fascists, huh? Hmm...Let's see...we're a Democracy (or a Republic, to be more secific) we have equal rights with EVERYONE regardless of race, color or creed, and everyone's voice is heard. Doesn't sound like any facist nation I'VE ever heard of. Go back to your vegetarian dinner menu, stop licking the LSD, and take a minute to realize that your overquick judgement of an entire ****ing country is childish.
 
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You need to relax and just recognize history repeating itself.

When we're seperating "the patriotic" from "the unpatriotic" that's fascism.
 
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Corporatism is not our friend.
 
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Corporatism is not our friend.
What, you mean special interest groups controlling politicians like oil companies do? Well Hell yes, but I wouldn't go so far as to call that fascims...Just bad economic policies. I think it should be illegal for politicians to have incentive to make certain actions through for economic third party. But fascism is a bit of a strong word for that...
 
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None of that even applies, save maybe for the anti-communist stuff, which frankly is no longer a very important issue since the Sovet Union collapsed. It says suppression of liberalism, conservatism, individuality...Based on common political discussions and American core belief systems on individuality...Who the **** is making a connection to fascism? I'd like to knock some sense into his pointless lump of a head.
 
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I suggest you read it again.
 
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Who the **** is making a connection to fascism? I'd like to knock some sense into his pointless lump of a head.
.. you do realise that beating up people who don't agree with your personal view of the world is text book Fascism?
 
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Give me a break. He's not beating anyone up. He's telling them that their wrong.
 
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Give me a break. He's not beating anyone up. He's telling them that their wrong.
The sad thing is. He didnt even realise the majority of the people who posted in this thread are from america XD

J-Dude kinda ironic dont you think. The first posts and the ones you first attacked were made from people on the same continent as you ^^

But yea. Bush is a perfect example of Fashism ^^

BTW you say democrasy. Do you know Hitler was democraticly ellected?

Thats right. The people voted for him.
 
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There is nothing wrong with the nation itself, but the government is the problem soon.

I maybe am unable to speak for this since i am not an American citizen after all, but here goes : The US government makes up a "pretty face" for the media by using the president. There are men "behind the president" controlling everything what to do and not. President's there to calm the situation and keep the government in the citizens favor. This is a masterplan which they follow over and over again, attacking countries to claim resources. I don't even understand why they need more money and weapons when they have them both more than any other country. They are little by little starting to close the borders once and for all , and saying that they are fighting their wars against terrorism.You can't even come to USA any longer unless you don't let them to background check you. Many question about the existence of Osama Bin Laden, who is always looking different in the videos. Also, let's take a note from the plane crashing over to Pentagon and WTC's.

A building does not collapse to the ground from a plane only, it'll just stay up, and the plain right where it is. It is clear, that they both fall just like any other detonated building you've seen to be detonated. There is also proof of this. Soon after them, just all of a sudden a undamaged building collapsed too (wtc 7). I don't know why, but i believe they gave the coordinates from there by hand. I believe hearing somewhere that it was also an FBI/CIA building used for their own purposes respectfully.

Moving forward :

Pentagon. Why didn't any one see the so-claimed-airplane to crash to pentagon? Were everyone too busy reading newspaper and actually not hear the sound of getting closer to ground, also trembling the ground? What about the impact, there was no collateral damage done almost at all. There were unbroken windows too, when pictures were taken. almost 3 quarters would have been destroyed of pentagon in the impact. And the gas station just near it took camerafeed towards the pentagon. 1 sec : nothing, 1 sec later : everything messy?
So, then people started hearing a sonic : "woosh" who were near.
Sure, i've seen the airplane parts, but why so few? only like half an wing was there.


Well, this all leads to one point : media. President saying this and that, acting all dramatic, gain favor against "terrorist arab countries". Heck, many of americans i've known actually just believe that all islam countries are without any excuse, evil. By this it's easy to see how powerful tool the media can be to control others minds. So, after all what's been happening, they decide to attack Iraq. Why? Unknown reason, but part of the "war on terrorism".

I do not mean to offend any of you american people, but most of your country's citizens are really stupid. Maybe all of you know what i mean. There are also a major amount of the people who see and understand what's happening , while the others get to believe the media and are ignorant overall anyway.


Anyways, it's time for the rest of the people who haven't seen this yet, take the eye to the hand and look for yourself. There are plenty of theories made off this, videos, conspiracy theories. I don't mean that you go and believe everything, but some of the material is just plain self-explanatory.


Oh and if some of you actually believe that i _hate_ americans :

Hell no. I actually love it. I also used to live there once.
 
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Thats right. The people voted for him.
We also "voted" for Bush. Democracy isn't perfect.

America is not a pure democracy. It has certain tendencies that bleed into other forms of government. Which is fine to me. I don't believe there is one true form of government. Definitely certain ones are better than the other, but all have flaws, and borrowing certain aspects from other forms of government is potentially good.Not in all cases obviously.

J-Dude, I think you missed the point of the thread. Cobra's thread title is the title of the movie. I agree a lot of people don't know jack **** about America but love to spout criticism when they get. But I'm sure the video is just analyzing American values that may be construed as "fascist", which I wouldn't be surprised of.

Then again, I've never seen the movie. I'm guessing the title is a bit exaggerated, as to catch the eye (like it did with you J-Dude). I don't think it's the "AMERICA IS THE 1940 ITALY AND IS SLOWLY TURNING THE PEOPLE INTO SLAVES" documentary but the "Hey. Look at these policies. Kinda facist, right?"

I'm sure there are people out there who have an agenda that goes against what was originally founded in America, but I don't think there are bunches of corporate fatcats rubbing their hands together planning to turn America into an Oligarchy.

And as for the staging of 9/11...I know the Bush administration is a very shady one, and has crossed the line way too many times. But for the super secret CIA to super secretly blow up three buildings and four planes, to conjure up fake Islamic extremists to admit they hijacked the planes, seems very far-fetched to me.
 
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Hey haven't you guys heard?

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
 
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fascist and national socialism share the same identity, the idealogy is about protect the state from threating of neighbor and even more violating and destroy them in order to gathering resource, strong government and low tax. but they are somehow different from racism. nationalism and fascist are more interresting unifying their follow citizen more than saperating the nation apart. when racism still stick with "white or black, asian or what so ever", fascist had sucessfully gathering the power and building a strong nation. as long as you are the born citizen of this nation you should obey and serve your life for eternality, no metter what race you are.(expect the illegal immigrant, they should get out of our country).

to build a strong governemt fascist had to depand to the military to do the dirty job. thats why fascist always associating with military, secret police and intelligency. that also torn fascist into militarism. like I said before, they will do everything to gathering resource and enslaving people in their occupation area. Fascist also disretard of human right if you aint the their citizen. for example german killed nearly 20 million russian in ww2 because this reason: "russian aint german so they deserve to die." japanese having to same mood to their enemy as well as when they torturing american captives in pacific war. fascist is about "one nation, one policy, strong government and militarism behave"


about america, I would agree that our country is slowly turn into fascism ever since saptember 11th and people lost job of chinese global economy, to against muslim and chinese I guess we will not stop in the near future. to rising the american flag on the sky is follow american's duty(unless you refer your self as terrorist or you're european but pretend to be american...you'll end up dead!) and for 3k white racism they will be punish due to their behave of tear the nation apart...it is unforgiven and they will all die as well. hail american!

PS: in nationalism there will be no faderation or union, logal must obey to the central government.
 
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Oh lord, not the 9/11 conspiracy crap...That's so blown out of proportion it's angering. To have succesfully pulled of that kind of conspiracy, it would require thousands of people to be involved, including just about every architectural engineer in the world. That number of people wouldn't be able to keep a secret like that or be coerced into it. If the government LET it happen, that's possible I suppose, but MADE it happen? Impossible without being found out. You're talking about the most complex and perfectly executed military strategem in US history concocted and pulled off by the Bush Administration, who have ****ed up just about every other thing they've ever tried. I'm not drinking the koolaid because I trust our host. I'm drinking it because I know the host doesn't know arsenic from his *******...
 
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Oh lord, not the 9/11 conspiracy crap...That's so blown out of proportion it's angering. To have succesfully pulled of that kind of conspiracy, it would require thousands of people to be involved, including just about every architectural engineer in the world. That number of people wouldn't be able to keep a secret like that or be coerced into it. If the government LET it happen, that's possible I suppose, but MADE it happen? Impossible without being found out. You're talking about the most complex and perfectly executed military strategem in US history concocted and pulled off by the Bush Administration, who have ****ed up just about every other thing they've ever tried. I'm not drinking the koolaid because I trust our host. I'm drinking it because I know the host doesn't know arsenic from his *******...

Ever consider the chance that Bush may just be a figurehead for someone else?
 

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