We’re better off without either of them.
(Not implying that we’re better off with George W. Bush)
Lol, way to be informed.
THANKS DAD, NOW I DON’T HAVE TO INFORM MYSELF.
And from the sounds of it, they used Fox News talking points to convince you too.
Come on now J-Dude, how much of an informed vote do you actually have when your parents are telling you how to vote?
You don’t want have to vote for Obama, no one is telling you to do so. But PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE watch this video so you can see who you’re throwing your vote at.
This country is in too much debt for bleeding heart democrats to be throwing even more money at the homeless. And I’m voting too. If only half the population is really voting, then my vote counts for a lot more than normally.
The republican party isn’t what it used to be, that is fiscally conservative:
http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.png
And before anyone shouts at me, I don’t remember all the details, but my parents convinced me that Obama was NOT the way to go. He promises change, but that’s it. Everyone parades around him, so impressed. He tours the country trying to make peace with the religious voters, and everyone throws confetti. McCain does the same in Africa a while back (I THINK it was Africa) and nobody says a damned thing. McCain’s not really ideal, but we’re better off than with Obama.
Nix said it best earlier, the lesser of two evils is still evil.
Ronald “Fiscal Conservative” Regan = $200 Billion Deficit
George “Fiscal Conservative” Bush (41) = $300 Billion Deficit
Bill “Tax & Spend Liberal” Clinton = $200 Billion SURPLUS!
George “Fiscal Conservative” Bush (43) = $482 Billion Deficit
John “Fiscal Conservative” McCain = Do the math!!
I saw that comic.
But yea the video is pretty disturbing. We elect him and a couple years later he’s shooting nukes at Russia because his mind told him to.
i was gonna post something similar but you named more then i was going to. Yeah I think it’s pretty obvious which party has the better track record.
I say you all just THINK you know what you’re talking about. My parents don’t make my decisions for me, but they do tell me the truth, and they’re just about always right on political and religious issues. You should hear them explain why our family is one of a rare number of households who didn’t **** themselves over by taking on huge loans and spending greedily when housing prices went up. They knew what would happen. They’re ahead of the curve, and they’re knowledge has my respect.
http://cagle.com/working/080801/greenberg21.jpg
Prozzy a picture is worth a thousand words =).
You ever looked up bias in the dictionary?
So because your parents knew that the housing market is cyclical (even though analysts have been saying it for years), they obviously know that Obama is no substance?
How can you say Obama is all talk, and he will make promises, not keep them, when he’s not even the president yet?
Yet, McCain goes on record saying things like , “I have a perfect voting record with veterans,” when facts show the exact opposite is true.
He’s no better than Hillary claiming she got off the plane in Bosnia under sniper fire.
Selective memory my friends.
No, they tell you their opinion and you gobble it up as your own without doing any research.
Personally, I see nothing really wrong with Obama. He hasn’t said or done anything that’s made me think he wouldn’t be a vast improvement over Bush (or, indeed, McCain). I don’t take him at face value, but I think he’s an honest man about himself, about what’s wrong with this country, and about what he’s going to do to help. McCain is too cozy with Bush for me to be comfortable (I realize it’s all the rage to dislike him because of that, but it’s a great point). I don’t think such a strong supporter of Bush’s policies should be elected into office, especially now.
Frankly, after seeing that wonderful compilation of moronic responses from McCain, I feel safe in my decision to support Obama. I don’t vote, but if I did, I certainly wouldn’t vote for McCain. He seems to buckle under the slightest pressure. That’s not the type of person I’d want making decisions for my country.
My family is very liberal in political views(I tend to be more on the moderate side of things) yet they basically made the same spending choices as yours. It’s almost as if their political views had nothing to do with keeping them out of debt much like those who put themselves in debt have nothing to do with their political stance.
It’s not bad to take your parents views when considering your vote, but as a man above 18, your vote belongs to you. It should be up to you to do your own research, listen to speeches, check voting records of candidates, and come up with your own view.
Senile old fart is senile!
Good luck Americans if your brethren decide to go for him 
My man Mark Twain has something to say about getting one’s politics second-hand:
In religion and politics people’s beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing.
Personally, I feel that Obama is an empty suit. He promises change, then he isn’t clear on what change he wants. Then he flip flops, and change comes . . . about his opinion. He promises to reform campaign finance, and that he won’t be beholden to lobbyist. Then he goes and collects most of his money from corporations. While it’s true that he has put a few layers of people between himself and the check bundlers so he can fire them when he gets caught, he’s still doing the same old same old. Most of his time in public office is spent going for another public office. There’s nowhere to go after President, but that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. He has some good ideas, but he has a lot of dangerous ones too. He wants to give tax breaks to senior citizens, the most wealthy age group in America, who arleady don’t pay many taxes. It would help the rich elderly only. He wants to tax the **** out of the oil companies, who will gladly pass those savings on to us at the pump. He wants to open up the strategic oil reserve to the public while we are at war with two countries. He wants to talk to our enemies without any preconditions (this is a political no-no, you want to talk to big bad America? Stop building the nukes and we’ll talk). I’ve also gone into his bad “religeous” background, a black power church he attended for 20 years.
McCain is nearly as bad. He’s old, prone to skin cancer, and has problems flip flopping too. He is more of the same, but with a liberal twist, so no matter who I vote for, I get a liberal this year. He’s rich, he’ll defend the rich, and the power gap will widen between the poor people of this nation and the rich people that control it.
As for Bill Clinton’s fiscal prowess. Shutting down military bases to get the budget under control, refusing to send the right equipment into a war zone to save dollars, and other such shennanigans means he simply chose what not to pay. Unfortunately for the folks in Somalia, there were no APC’s, no aircraft support outside of Little Birds and Blackhawks. There was a severe lack of manpower there too. The bases that shut down kill the towns they support . . . I know, the third largest employer in my county is the Tobyhanna Army Depot, and Bill Clinton tried to shut it down. He so damaged our millitary that many of the brass in the pentagon resigned under his administration. I have a feeling that Obama will be no different in that regard.
Either way, my choices suck, but I will vote.
When you say it like that, it makes it look it’s impossible to vote for a good President 
I will admit, I do not know the nitty gritty details about candidates. Or maybe I know some, but I don’t recognize the negative consequences (such as Obama’s plan for Iraq).
But I have never seen such enthusiasm for a candidate like Barack Obama. All the bull**** people have thrown at him about something his pastor said, being a secret Muslim (while having a “radical” Christian pastor), singling him out as an “elitist”, and he still plays fair compared to McCain’s/Hilary’s campaign moves. He’s young. He’s black. He’s new. That alone is change. Doesn’t warrant him an instant ticket to be President, but after 8 years of disgust, I welcome this.
But he’s not perfect. Some people see him as a messiah, but I know he will make mistakes. I’ve seen his policies and most I agree with or just don’t understand the significance of them due to the topics. But I want a President who will not lie to the American people about serious matters constantly (a war is much more serious than an affair, but look who received the consequences). I don’t want a President that is going to **** over the Constitution and the checks and balances system to do whatever he wants. The fact that Obama is willing to talk to our enemies could make the US look more understanding. I also believe that if America can elect a young, liberal, biracial man into the office, it will also help restore America’s credibility to the world.
I just hope I’m right. If Obama actually did turn out to be the same thing we’ve had for the past 8 years, I think many Americans will lose faith in our government completely.
Ah I see, pretty-much exactly like us in the UK. We have Labour and Conservatives as our most powerful parties, supposedly labour is left wing and conservatives right wing, but they’ve become so close together its difficult to tell, we have Liberal democrats too (far left), but they aren’t trusted enough to get into power. They used to count spoilt ballots until about 10 years ago since the government were concerned about how bad it looked that so many ballots were spoilt.
I hope for your countries sake that Obama is elected, just for foreign relations more than anything else. Your countries image has been completely destroyed with paranoid right wing fundamental Christians in charge. Your country is seen more as a tyrant now than a country built on liberty and freedom.
I’m sure a lot of Americans want Obama for the same reason as you, David, but I don’t give a **** about public image. People shouldn’t want to vote for Obama because he’ll “make us look good” or because he’ll make other countries like us. Those are bull**** reasons. If we vote for someone, it should be because that person has our country’s best interests at heart. Yes, it is in our best interest to be friendly with other nations, but it shouldn’t the end all, be all reason for us voting for a particular candidate.
When you say “we”, although you might mean the rest of the world, I’d include Americans, because it isn’t just that it seems fundamentalists have taken over our country and subverted our constitution; it’s our reality and we know it. Unfortunately, somewhere along the line, people have forgotten what the founding fathers felt was so important, so integral to having a great nation, and so they vote not based on one’s true positions and past voting record, but on that person’s perceived principles and religion. We’re at a point in our country where, if we don’t tip the scale back to something more secular, we’re going to become what our politicians are railing against day and night. That being a crazy, fundamentalist nation focused on taking over the world. That is, of course, if we haven’t already, because, let’s face it, the neo-conservative “Project for the New American Century” isn’t exactly a fable.
I’m a cynic, and I’m pessimistic. Everyone knows this. My philosophy is “Hope for the best; prepare for the worst”. Do I think Obama is going to change everything? No. I think, at best, he’ll have a good run, and then the pendulum will swing back and we’ll be right back where we started, and it’ll swing to the other side and we’ll praise our hero for saving us, ad infinitum, or until this nation ceases to exist, which I feel is something far more probable than most would hope or believe should our nation continue on its current path.
If we want change, people have to change. Americans need to change. We can’t just sit back and let career politicians, who seek power and rarely have our interests at heart and would sell us up the creek for a few bucks, decide what’s best for us. We can’t allow other people to vote for us. We can’t allow ourselves to be distracted by popularity contests on television. I don’t give a **** about Obama’s family, or his minister or what religion he is. I care about who he surrounds himself with. I care about his policies. I care about how he’s voted in the past, and, if presented with new information, would change his opinion to reflect his new knowledge. There’s a significant difference between “flip flopping” for the sake of political gain, and altering your opinion based on new information.
If we want our votes to count, we have to push to abolish the electoral college, which seems to exist simply to take the power out of our hands. Why do we need a proxy to place our votes? Hell, go with the popular vote until a better system arises. Why should a republican’s vote in NY not count, just because the majority favors democrats? Every vote should count. Every voice should count.
There’s plenty of **** that needs changing, and I could go on forever, but it’s just talk. Right now, I’m not doing anything about it. I intend to after my last tour of duty, but not yet, and so I’m just another guy railing against the system while everyone else tunes out. Americans shouldn’t sit and wait for a hero. They shouldn’t wait around for someone to do something about it, someone to put all our hopes and dreams on, and someone to blame should he fail. We should each do our part to change the system, to change the government and the way it works.
McCain isn’t change, and frankly, neither is Obama. Cult of personality and good intentions aren’t enough. I hope to The Nix he’s just appeasing the right for the sake of winning, but if he isn’t, and he actually feels the way he says he does on certain issues, I really have no hope for his administration short of getting us back to where we were before Bush came into office.
Only we I mentioned was referring the to state of British politics, but the second paragraph was to describe a common perception of how America is perceived at the moment.
I haven’t a clue what either parties policies are, this is why I didn’t really specify any reason other than Image. However I do think Image is incredibly important at the moment, America’s relationship with the rest of the world is in its best interest with impending recession in 1st world nations and all the current hostilities.
Nix for president!
All we really need to do to improve our “image” is pull out of Iraq, get back with NATO and not **** anything up. It’s as simple as that. I think the allies who followed us into the pits of hell, should definitely be honored for being loyal, but I also think their respective populations should take a look at their governments and ask, “What the ****?” Simply pulling out isn’t going to change the mindset of politicians, so better to prepare today than allow the same thing to happen in the future.
And I think, you know, this extends to how the US and Europe currently feels about and is currently dealing with Iran. We’d be wrong to attack them, and we all know our government doesn’t give a **** about anyone other than themselves, so why are countries helping in setting up for a blockade of Iran (using warships, obviously)? We all know doing so is basically an act of war, so why? Why is NATO helping out, while patting Israel on the back for having over 100 nukes? We all need to get our **** straight.