My veiw on balance

Regarding the transformation PL's to get to a powered up version of the character you dont need a minimum PL

Tell me if i need to tweak anything

Goku (Starting PL: 1,600,000 Starting Speed: 200 Starting Health: 100)
1. Kaioken (Health: - 10-40% Speed: + 2-100% PL Multi: 2-100%)
2. SSJ 1 (2,5000,000) (Health: + 30 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 2)
3. SSJ 2 (7,000,000) (Health: + 30 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 2.5)
4. SSJ 3 (20,000,000)(Health: + 15 Speed: + 40 PL Multi: 3)

Kaioken works like this: It is a selectible skill not attack(number 8 or whatever). When you activate it, you gain a random percent of speed and PL and lose a random percent of health for 10-20 secs. Or you could have it give fixed percents but it goes away after one attack (Beam, etc...) .I think it is balanced because almost everyone else can power up or has 5 forms.

Has constant ki drain in SSJ

Vegeta (Starting PL: 1,550,000 Starting Speed: 200 Starting Health: 100)

1. Powered Up/Angry Vegeta (0) (Health: + 10 Speed: + 10 PL Multi: 1.5)
2. SSJ 1 (2,000,000)(Health: + 30 Speed: + 30 PL Multi: 2)
3. ASSJ (5,000,000) (Health: + 30 Speed: + 30 PL Multi: 2.5)
4. SSJ2 Majin (15,000,000) (Health: + 30 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 4)

Has constant ki drain in SSJ
Vegeta's Final Flash should have 5%-20% less ki to charge in ASSJ

Buu (Starting PL: 2,000,000 Starting Speed: 210 Starting Health: 130)

1. Powered Up Buu (0)(Health: + 10 Speed: + 15 PL Multi: 2)
2. Evil Buu (4,000,000)(Health: + 25 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 2)
3. Super Buu (11,000,000)(Health: + 25 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 2)
4. Kid Buu (25,000,000) (Health: + 25 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 3)

Buu has constant regeneration
Buu has no constant ki drain from transform
Buu cannot descend

Piccolo (Starting PL: 1,500,000 Starting Speed: 200 Starting Health: 120)
1. Powered Up Piccolo (2,000,000)(Health: + 10 Speed: + 10 PL Multi: 1.5)
2. Train with Gohan (5,000,000)(Health: + 25 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 1.5)
3. Snyc with Nail (8,000,000)(Health: + 25 Speed: + 30 PL Multi: 1.5)
4. Fuse with Kami (10,000,000)(Health: + 30 Speed: + 30 PL Multi: 5.7)

Piccolo has constant regeneration
Piccolo has no constant ki drain from transform
Piccolo cannot descend

Gohan (Starting PL: 1,700,000 Starting Speed: 200 Starting Health: 100)
1. Powered Up/Angry Gohan (0)(Health: + 10 Speed: + 10 PL Multi: 2)
2. Train with Piccolo (2,100,000)(Health: + 20 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 1.5)
3. SSJ 1 (4,000,000)(Health: + 25 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 2)
4. SSJ 2 (10,000,000)(Health: + 25 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 2.5)
5. Mystic Gohan (30,000,000) (Health: + 30 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 2.35)

Has constant ki drain in SSJ

Cell (Starting PL: 1,500,000 Starting Speed: 200 Starting Health: 110)

1. Powered Up Cell (Health: + 10 Speed: + 10 PL Multi: 1.5)
2. Imperfect Cell(2,000,000) (Health: + 25 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 1.5)
3. Perfect Cell (5,000,000)(Health: + 25 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 1.7)
4. Powered Weighted Cell (9,000,000)(Health: + 30 Speed: + 0 PL Multi: 2)
5. Saiyan Perfect Cell (20,000,000)(Health: + 25 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 2.7)

Cell has constant regeneration
Cell has no constant ki drain from transform
Cell cannot descend

Freeza (Starting PL: 1,000,000 Starting Speed: 180 Starting Health: 100)
1. Angry Freeza (Health: + 10 Speed: + 10 PL Multi: 1.5)
2. Form 2 (1,500,000)(Health: + 30 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 2)
3. Form 3 (4,500,000)(Health: + 30 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 1.5)
4. Form 4 (8,000,000)(Health: + 30 Speed: + 30 PL Multi: 2)
5. Form 4 100% (20,000,000)(Health: + 30 Speed: + 0 PL Multi: 2.5)


Freeza has no constant ki drain from transform

Krillin (Starting PL: 1,500,000 Starting Speed: 180 Starting Health: 100)
1. Powered Up Krillin (2,000,000) (Health: + 10 Speed: + 30 PL Multi: 1.5)
2. First King Kai Training (5,000,000) (Health: + 25 Speed: + 30 PL Multi: 1.5)
3. Mystic Krillin (9,000,000) (Health: + 30 Speed: + 30 PL Multi: 1.5)
4. Other world training (second kai training) (15,000,000) (Health: + 20 Speed: + 30 PL Multi: 3)

Krillin has no constant ki drain from transform
Krillin cannot descend

Trunks (Starting PL: 1,600,000 Starting Speed: 200 Starting Health: 100)
1. Powered Up Trunks (Health: + 10 Speed: + 10 PL Multi: 1.5)
2. SSJ (2,000,000)(Health: + 25 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 1.5)
3. ROSAT Training (6,000,000)(Health: + 25 Speed: PL Multi: 1.5)
4. ASSJ/USSJ (12,000,000)(Health: + 30 Speed: + 40 PL Multi: 2)
5. ASSJ/USSJ 100% (30,000,000)(Health: + 60 Speed: -30 PL Multi: 3)

Has constant ki drain in SSJ
In ASSJ Burning Attack loses blinding flash but gains attack/ps power

Its very good but that will be alot to cold.but buu regenerates automatically

what do you think of the Kaioken idea?

Those ideas are pretty smart.
I like the kaioken Pm PcJoe go on

Yea thats some good thinking! Hehe how long that take you.... *ponders*

Daz i said that.Maybe pc joe will like it

i like your views, but i don't agree with some of the starting levels...i don't think vegeta should have the same starting power as krillin for example

ok ill edit it a bit. and it took me about 30 min to write it. And who is Pc Joe?

The coder of esf.

very good view on that! sounds hard to code tho...

Originally posted by Emeka650
The coder of esf.

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1. Correction, ONE of the ESF coders.
2. Should have been posted in suggestion.
3. Nice kaioken idea I like it.

Yeah really nice though it would take them years to code and make all models I especially like the high powerlevel of Mystic Gohan

add more to krillin he needs way more added and piccolo

very good ideas
i dont rekon much to the constant ki drain in ssj i mean it will be unfair for the saiyans then
lets say for eg
u have turbo on and ssj it will take up alot of ki under a few minutes u will be constantly powering up and u will go for a swoop and stop in mid swoop coz uve lost all ur ki.
same goes for attack it will make it very hard to make a full FF with vegeta with turbo on and actualy get a full powered beam

thats a big problem wow nobody thought of that

y are krillin and vegeta at the same level?

so krillin can stand a chance

i agree that things should be fair, but krilin should definatly not have the same starting power as vegeta

and should not be more powerfull than pic

anyone else notice USSJ Trunks gained Speed instead of losing it...?