My view on balance

Goku (Starting PL: 1,600,000 Starting Speed: 200 Starting Health: 100)
1. Kaioken (Health: - 10-40% Speed: + 2-100% PL Multi: 2-100%)
2. SSJ 1 (Health: + 30 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 2)
3. SSJ 2 (Health: + 30 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 2)
4. SSJ 3 (Health: + 15 Speed: + 40 PL Multi: 2)

Kaioken works like this: It is a selectible skill not attack(number 8 or whatever). When you activate it, you gain a random percent of speed and PL and lose a random percent of health for 10-20 secs. Or you could have it give fixed percents but it goes away after one attack (Beam, etc...) .I think it is balanced because almost everyone else can power up or has 5 forms.

Has constant ki drain in SSJ

Vegeta (Starting PL: 1,500,000 Starting Speed: 200 Starting Health: 100)
1. Powered Up/Angry Vegeta (Health: + 10 Speed: + 10 PL Multi: 1.5)
2. SSJ 1 (Health: + 25 Speed: + 30 PL Multi: 2)
3. ASSJ (Health: + 30 Speed: + 10 PL Multi: 2)
4. SSJ2 Majin (Health: + 30 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 3)
5. SSJ2 (Health: + 25 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 2)

Has constant ki drain in SSJ
Vegeta's Final Flash should have 5%-20% less ki to charge in ASSJ

Buu (Starting PL: 2,000,000 Starting Speed: 210 Starting Health: 130)
1. Powered Up Buu (Health: + 10 Speed: + 15 PL Multi: 2)
2. Evil Buu (Health: + 25 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 2)
3. Super Buu (Health: + 25 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 2)
4. Kid Buu (Health: + 25 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 2)

Buu has constant regeneration
Buu has no constant ki drain from transform
Buu cannot descend

Piccolo (Starting PL: 1,500,000Starting Speed: 200 Starting Health: 120)
1. Powered Up Piccolo (Health: + 10 Speed: + 10 PL Multi: 1.5)
2. Train with Gohan (Health: + 25 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 1.5)
3. Snyc with Nail (Health: + 25 Speed: + 30 PL Multi: 1.5)
4. Fuse with Kami (Health: + 30 Speed: + 30 PL Multi: 3)

Piccolo has constant regeneration
Piccolo has no constant ki drain from transform
Piccolo cannot descend

Gohan (Starting PL: 1,700,000 Starting Speed: 200 Starting Health: 100)
1. Powered Up/Angry Gohan (Health: + 10 Speed: + 10 PL Multi: 1.5)
2. Train with Piccolo (Health: + 20 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 1.5)
3. SSJ 1 (Health: + 25 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 1.5)
4. SSJ 2 (Health: + 25 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 2)
5. Mystic Gohan (Health: + 30 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 3)

Has constant ki drain in SSJ
Cell (Starting PL: 1,500,000 Starting Speed: 200 Starting Health: 110)
1. Powered Up Cell (Health: + 10 Speed: + 10 PL Multi: 1.5)
2. Imperfect Cell (Health: + 25 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 1.5)
3. Perfect Cell (Health: + 25 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 1.5)
4. Powered Weighted Cell (Health: + 30 Speed: + 0 PL Multi: 2)
5. Saiyan Perfect Cell (Health: + 25 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 2)

Cell has constant regeneration
Cell has no constant ki drain from transform
Cell cannot descend

Freeza (Starting PL: 1,000,000 Starting Speed: 180 Starting Health: 100)
1. Angry Freeza (Health: + 10 Speed: + 10 PL Multi: 1.5)
2. Form 2 (Health: + 30 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 2)
3. Form 3 (Health: + 30 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 1.5)
4. Form 4 (Health: + 30 Speed: + 30 PL Multi: 2)
5. Form 4 100% (Health: + 30 Speed: + 0 PL Multi: 2)


Freeza has no constant ki drain from transform

Krillin (Starting PL: 1,500,000 Starting Speed: 180 Starting Health: 100)
1. Powered Up Krillin (Health: + 10 Speed: + 30 PL Multi: 1.5)
2. First King Kai Training (Health: + 25 Speed: + 30 PL Multi: 1.5)
3. Mystic Krillin (Health: + 30 Speed: + 30 PL Multi: 1.5)
4. Other world training (second kai training) (Health: + 20 Speed: + 30 PL Multi: 3)

Krillin has no constant ki drain from transform
Krillin cannot descend

Trunks (Starting PL: 1,600,000 Starting Speed: 200 Starting Health: 100)
1. Powered Up Trunks (Health: + 10 Speed: + 10 PL Multi: 1.5)
2. SSJ (Health: + 25 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 1.5)
3. ROSAT Training (Health: + 25 Speed: PL Multi: 1.5)
4. ASSJ/USSJ (Health: + 30 Speed: + 40 PL Multi: 2)
5. ASSJ/USSJ 100% (Health: + 60 Speed: -30 PL Multi: 3)

Has constant ki drain in SSJ
In ASSJ Burning Attack loses blinding flash but gains attack/ps power

Wow you musta had alot of time on your hands.... Anyway, I think some things should be fixed

Originally posted by Recon45

Vegeta (Starting PL: 1,500,000 Starting Speed: 200 Starting Health: 100)
1. Powered Up/Angry Vegeta (Health: + 10 Speed: + 10 PL Multi: 1.5)
2. SSJ 1 (Health: + 25 Speed: + 30 PL Multi: 2)
3. ASSJ (Health: + 30 Speed: + 10 PL Multi: 2)
4. SSJ2 Majin (Health: + 30 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 3)
5. SSJ2 (Health: + 25 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 2)

Click to expand...

My not just go 1, ASSJ, Majin, SSJ2?

Cell (Starting PL: 1,500,000 Starting Speed: 200 Starting Health: 110)
1. Powered Up Cell (Health: + 10 Speed: + 10 PL Multi: 1.5)
2. Imperfect Cell (Health: + 25 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 1.5)
3. Perfect Cell (Health: + 25 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 1.5)
4. Powered Weighted Cell (Health: + 30 Speed: + 0 PL Multi: 2)
5. Saiyan Perfect Cell (Health: + 25 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 2)

Click to expand...

Why not go Imperfect Imperfect, Powered, Flawless, and Perfect?

There are still a select few i had in mind but forgot what they are. Saiyans are really powerful, and have alot of attacks, so i dont see why they need more than 3-4 transformations (like Vegeta and Gohan...) I dont think gohan would need one of his first two transformations. Other than that I think its half-decent.

i thought the power ups should be there to balance goku's Kaioken since everyone is so uptight about him being overpowered

i think its a gr8 idea! i second it! :yes: :yes: :yes:

me 2

Originally posted by Recon45
Goku (Starting PL: 1,600,000 Starting Speed: 200 Starting Health: 100)
1. Kaioken (Health: - 10-40% Speed: + 2-100% PL Multi: 2-100%)
2. SSJ 1 (Health: + 30 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 2)
3. SSJ 2 (Health: + 30 Speed: + 25 PL Multi: 2)
4. SSJ 3 (Health: + 15 Speed: + 40 PL Multi: 2)

Click to expand...

my idea:
while usin kaioken u have normal health but u are more sensitive to your enemys attacks.

I think that all chars should get an optional "buff" move (where their muscles all bulge out and stuff: examples are Piccolo in the Garlic Jr. saga, Trunks in the Cell saga, and Cell in the...erm...Cell saga). This would cause them to slow down by 25%; in return, they get a 25% PL boost. Also, melee damage and distance smacked increase by 25%.

Goku's "buff" would be the KK instead (-15% hp, +20% speed, +25%pl, +melee damage bonus). But this should be a regular buff when he goes ssj: we see him buff up in the time chamber, but I've never seen him combine ssj with kk.