What was ESF inspired by?

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Well, I can't help but notice that ESF is basicly exactly like my old favorite mod (Quake 3's Bid For Power) and the potential mod that never came out (DragonBall Quake). Anyway, was this by any chance a coincidence or what?


P.S.: I know this mighta been posted before...but search features and scanning through pages isn't my hobby :p
 
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Um, DragonBallZ? :p

Bid for Power and ESF are absolutely nothing alike. BFP was completely beam based, with a crappy "swing" melee thing.. ESF is pretty much based around it's completely unique melee system, with unique beam attacks.

BFP was pretty fun for it's time, but it's nothing compared to ESF at this point. :/
 
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Well, aren't you the forum lurker? lol

Actually, I've knowticed the beam attacks to be pretty much the same. heh..(I don't see a ultra gagiga humoungus big bang attack! ;) )
 
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Pretty much, except they all have unique charge times, ki costs, dependance on your current transformation state, a much more advanced explosion sphere, and range-dependant damage..

Yeah. "Pretty much the same."
 
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BFP beams had this wierd thing where they appeared wherever you pointed them and hit anyone that touched their trail. The struggles were different too. The melee, as Alea said, is completely different too. So are transformations and the swooping system, and the power level system. So are the speeds.

They really don't have anything in common... they were both inspire by Dragonball Z.
 
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Pretty much, except they all have unique charge times, ki costs, dependance on your current transformation state, a much more advanced explosion sphere, and range-dependant damage..

Yeah. "Pretty much the same."

Let's put it in a more common term. Okay. Say I made a ham sandwhich with cheese, and you make one. My ham sandwhich with cheese will not be exactly like yours, but in general they're both the same. BFP and EFS are basicly the same.(Besides the minor details you're pointing out.) They both are moded, they both invovle flying, they both involve a ki gauge, Life gauge, and a power level. Now I can think of plenty more similarities, beisdes the little details you're pointing out, as I mentioned earlier.(I'm not going to pick a favorite. I am remaining neutral on which I like more.)
 
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Yeah, but even more common terms would be..

Say I made a "ham" sandwich with spam, garbage, and rotten bread.

And I made one with virginia honey baked ham, fresh-baked bakery bread and cheese imported from france.

Guess which one would be Bid for Power?
 
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Fulgore, that's like saying Counter-Strike, Call of Duty, Day Of Defeat, and Natural Selection are all similiar because they have guns and you shoot stuff.
 
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As I said, you've got no point. You're going into details. I don't have time for this crap about details. I don't care about details. Got it?

Actually, they're all FPS. So you are right Pcjoe :)
 
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Well it's all in the details, buddy. You got yer answers, Joe's a team member, somewhere else on the forum you can get the history of how ESF got put together, otherwise just know that no, it wasn't as inspired by the other mods as you think.
 
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Fulgore said:
Let's put it in a more common term. Okay. Say I made a ham sandwhich with cheese, and you make one. My ham sandwhich with cheese will not be exactly like yours, but in general they're both the same. BFP and EFS are basicly the same.(Besides the minor details you're pointing out.) They both are moded, they both invovle flying, they both involve a ki gauge, Life gauge, and a power level. Now I can think of plenty more similarities, beisdes the little details you're pointing out, as I mentioned earlier.(I'm not going to pick a favorite. I am remaining neutral on which I like more.)
I'm a little bemused as to what your point is..

Both are 'Dragonball Z' Modifications. Dragonball Z is a popular cartoon (Anime, if you will) in which the heroes of Earth battle to save the day. They can all fly, they all employ Ki in the form of beams and blasts, and they make constant references to 'power levels.'

The fact that the two Mods are similar lies in the fact that they are BASED ON THE SAME THING.

What part dont you get? o_O

*EDIT* You don't care about details? Gameplay doesn't make an impression on you? I'm curious, why do you play computer games?
 
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Heh, no offense but you defend this like its a Godsend..Well..No offense, but where I come from defending something like a Godsend is called fanboyism :) (IF you take this in the wrong way, I'm sincerely sorry for offending you.)

EDIT: Details don't make the game.(That's why Tetris is fun.)
 
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Well, I can't help but notice that ESF is basicly exactly like my old favorite mod (Quake 3's Bid For Power)
Basically exactly like... How can you say BFP and ESF are the same. I have nothing against the BFP gameplay or team, but we're two completly different games.

"Hey, I couldn't help but notice that your girlfriend and Britney Spears are almost EXACTLY the same. Except for the crap details like your girlfriend smelling like my left nut, having an ingrown toe nail, having no chest, looking like a man, and having a third eye... They're almost the same ^_^"

Edit: You're not offending us, you're just not making any type of sense.

Edit in reply to an edit: Details dont make the game... Wow, you're right... Why the hell do people even buy new games? Duke Nukem 3D was all I ever needed, screw all these new FPS.. New graphics, better gameplay? Hah! Who needs that trivial garbage.
 
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I give up arguing with you, fanboys are the worst type of people to have a civil conversation with.


Person#1: "Well there was a game like this before..."
Fanboy#70: "NO! THIS GAME IS THE FIRST OF IT'S KIND!! IT'S GROUND BREAKING! DON'T EVER MENTION ANY OTHER GAME!!!!11"
End conversation.
 
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Fulgore said:
EDIT: Details don't make the game.(That's why Tetris is fun.)
Who bought you Half-Life? I refuse to believe that someone ignorant to the value of details could buy and enjoy Half-Life, a game that works on so many more levels than the run of the mill FPS. o_O
 
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Who bought you Half-Life? I refuse to believe that someone ignorant to the value of details could buy and enjoy Half-Life, a game that works on so many more levels than the run of the mill FPS. o_O
CS Beta tester since 1997, thank you very much :)

I think I've given up, you can close the topic if you want.
 
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You're done already? That's pretty weak -_-
We're not saying that BFP and ESF don't have similarities, but they have so many more differences. Like the girlfriend situation, the only thing they have in common is that they're both of the female gender.
People are so boring nowadays....
 
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Fulgore said:
I give up arguing with you, fanboys are the worst type of people to have a civil conversation with.


Person#1: "Well there was a game like this before..."
Fanboy#70: "NO! THIS GAME IS THE FIRST OF IT'S KIND!! IT'S GROUND BREAKING! DON'T EVER MENTION ANY OTHER GAME!!!!11"
End conversation.
Sorry, I think I absolutley disagree with you. I am now, by your logic, a fanboy.

Look, mate, here's the way I see it. You're saying BFP and ESF are the same. We're saying they're not. Not one person in this thread has said anything like "OMG WE ARE TEH GROUND BREAKING I CREAMED MEH PONTS". We're just saying that comparing BFP and ESF is like comparing a Mercedes SL to a Ford Escort. They're both cars, true, but would you ever say they are basically the same? You'd be a fool to say it.

Sorry for the huge misunderstandings you must have gone through to reach all the conclusions you've made in this thread. Really, I am.
 
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hmmmm, i dunno whats up with you, look..... dbz the destruction is real was around before BFP for Jedi knight, and basicaly had all the same features, cept forcepowers became zanzoken and stuff, selct your beams, and the melee was almost the same as bfp (cept 2 buttons one kick one punch). so bam goes ur "its all bfp's ideas".....

And the other thing, you're complaining about the features being similar, well what do u expect in a dbz game? those features are there to replicate the dbz world, and obviously they were needed. I ask you to find me a dbz mod thats coming out without melee, beams teleport, a powerlevel system and transformations etc.

I dont bum this game, but i think its pretty good and i prefer it to bid for power, bid for power sucked pretty bad imo, as soon as i picked up esf 1.0 i uninstalled bfp and never looked back.
 
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Fulgore said:
CS Beta tester since 1997, thank you very much :)

I think I've given up, you can close the topic if you want.
well then firearms and cs are exactly the same

i mean they both have guns in them


and ns and halo must be exactly the same because they boht have aliens


so if ur just gonna come onto a forum and insult because u cant argue worth crap then u need to find ur self a girl or something



u know annoying people are the worst to have conversations with cause it goes something like

Annoying#21315123: "This game sucks and is a rip off and you all are annoying fanboys"
Otherperson#pie: "Their based on the same thing"
Annoying#firstone: "I TEST CS!"
Otherperson#trogdor: "Right.."
Annoying#stillannoying: "IM DONE ARGUING WITH YOU PEOPLE"
 

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