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OniMangaKat
Aug 21st, 2004, 11:26 AM
Well, this is just speculation on my part, but I've been in a few situations where upon getting into a melee, a huge list of arrows stream in, and they're all multi-directional... Could this just be a huge coincidence, or is there more to this?

Along with this, I've seen long streams of arrows pop up nigh-instantly. Is this some sort of bind, perhaps?

If it's possible to bind combos to one key and do them instantly, perhaps they should address that feature in the next patch?

whoopass
Aug 21st, 2004, 12:45 PM
in theoy you could do this but I don't think it would work but thx as I keep seeing people do the first combo over and over again but there easy to beat and only way I can think to fix the problom is make all the combos blue instead of green

IMPORTED_SSJG3_VEGETA_SSJ
Aug 21st, 2004, 04:33 PM
I know that devil has a script or something that makes him get all the arrows right. There aren't many people that have it though.

Final Vegeta
Aug 21st, 2004, 10:44 PM
Ive had this when 1.2 just came out, but no cheaters i think, but somehow if i fought Gohan i got twice the randoms (and they did the same combo cuz i checked with my friend back then, he did the combos) then with any other character i nearly had no randoms, hence back to normal, strangely enough with 1.2.1 its back to normal again.

Carnage, the 1
Aug 21st, 2004, 11:10 PM
I think I know what he means, I myself made a demo out of it. The dude flies around a map like he is laggin but skips giant parts of ground. When he uses advanced melee, 20 arrows will popup in 1 second. I might post a screenie to show you. Never the less, an arrow limit per second would be nice.

edit : http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/Carneh/esf_city0011.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/Carneh/esf_city0012.jpg

SaiyanPrideXIX
Aug 22nd, 2004, 12:08 AM
Well, this is just speculation on my part, but I've been in a few situations where upon getting into a melee, a huge list of arrows stream in, and they're all multi-directional... Could this just be a huge coincidence, or is there more to this?This happens when the enemy's power level is massively higher than yours, i.e. a 15 mill vs. a 1 mill.


I think I know what he means, I myself made a demo out of it. The dude flies around a map like he is laggin but skips giant parts of ground. When he uses advanced melee, 20 arrows will popup in 1 second. I might post a screenie to show you. Never the less, an arrow limit per second would be nice.

edit : http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/Carneh/esf_city0011.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/Carneh/esf_city0012.jpg

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Along with this, I've seen long streams of arrows pop up nigh-instantly. Is this some sort of bind, perhaps?

If it's possible to bind combos to one key and do them instantly, perhaps they should address that feature in the next patch?Unfortunately, that's pretty easy to do. You make a bind to press all of those keys in sequence with one key press. No? A definite failsafe might be needed against that if it becomes a larger problem...

Just remember, this is half life, it's a bunch of spoiled little brats who think they deserve this free game without investing any effort time or money into their rigs or their gaming in general. There are always going to be little sons of *****es who cheat.

nsw316
Aug 22nd, 2004, 12:50 AM
I know that devil has a script or something that makes him get all the arrows right. There aren't many people that have it though.


This "exploit" was fixed in the current Patch, so 'Devil' can't do it anymore, nor the other players.

To Carnage: Was that 'Devil' or another person of his stature? To my kowledge 'Devil' is in California and you are in Europe so this would make for belief that there are more then there was before.

Styer101
Aug 22nd, 2004, 12:59 AM
this takes me back to the old days of cs when i made a burst script. It took me a couple hours and once i got it i couldnt play wiht out it. Every1 that knew i had it said i was a cheater but i dont think of it that way. I think that i was just using my knowledge to make me a better play. Flame me all u want im still dont think i was cheating.

Carnage, the 1
Aug 22nd, 2004, 01:05 AM
Cheating or not, it takes the fun out of the game since there is no way you can press arrows that fast :/

SaiyanPrideXIX
Aug 22nd, 2004, 01:30 AM
Yeah, and it also makes you a complete and utter ******.

(Go ahead and warn me, guys...I think it's worth it.)

Phatslugga
Aug 22nd, 2004, 04:08 AM
Maybe the script can also be used for inputting melee? If not then he's got some fast fingers.

OniMangaKat
Aug 22nd, 2004, 04:36 AM
This happens when the enemy's power level is massively higher than yours, i.e. a 15 mill vs. a 1 mill.
- in regards to my multi-directional arrows post.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

As for the binding of huge melee combos and such, it sucks and please don't do it anymore.

Golden Dragoon
Aug 22nd, 2004, 05:09 AM
this takes me back to the old days of cs when i made a burst script. It took me a couple hours and once i got it i couldnt play wiht out it. Every1 that knew i had it said i was a cheater but i dont think of it that way. I think that i was just using my knowledge to make me a better play. Flame me all u want im still dont think i was cheating.

just so u know this is the kind of cheating prick that several people have talked about. its not that it makes it funner for him he just finds it funny to piss people off

SaiyanPrideXIX
Aug 22nd, 2004, 06:54 AM
just so u know this is the kind of cheating prick that several people have talked about. its not that it makes it funner for him he just finds it funny to piss people off
He, as a cheater, also eats diarrhea.

Zeonix
Aug 22nd, 2004, 07:40 AM
What if the admin set the max prepunches to 20 or something? That could easily explain the amount of arrows there.

Btw, people who cheat during multiplayer games do so because they suck at the game. Theres no reason why one person has to spoil everyone else's fun.

Raven
Aug 22nd, 2004, 12:05 PM
most guys are just using some cheap speedhacks, thats enough because esf dont support anit-cheats. e.g. To Harsens and PCJoe please try to make esf compatible with e.g. Cheating-Death. Or at least VAC.

Regars Raven

imkongkong
Aug 22nd, 2004, 05:44 PM
I think I know what he means, I myself made a demo out of it. The dude flies around a map like he is laggin but skips giant parts of ground. When he uses advanced melee, 20 arrows will popup in 1 second. I might post a screenie to show you. Never the less, an arrow limit per second would be nice.

edit : http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/Carneh/esf_city0011.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/Carneh/esf_city0012.jpg

i think that happened to me.. when i first started esf and was on a map lagging bad when it was my turn to do a combo i just pressed any direction whatsoever.. maybe he did that too

Styer101
Aug 22nd, 2004, 06:08 PM
just so u know this is the kind of cheating prick that several people have talked about. its not that it makes it funner for him he just finds it funny to piss people off

Actualy I WAS trying to make the expierience easier. I was not trying to piss any1 off. In fact i dont think i pissed any1 off if i remeber correct i actualy inspired some1 to get into scripting. If any here played cs i bet half of them used buy scripts so then that would mean they were cheating because they were takeing 1 sec to buy stuff and every one else 5 secs.


He, as a cheater, also eats diarrhea.

again i wasnt cheating just making it easier for me. its not like i was looking through walls or aim botting.

Carnage, the 1
Aug 22nd, 2004, 06:12 PM
i think that happened to me.. when i first started esf and was on a map lagging bad when it was my turn to do a combo i just pressed any direction whatsoever.. maybe he did that tooNot really, I'm quite sure he used some sort of speedhack or something because it was simply rediculous. Also when the punches were executed the animations were way too fast. Also when he was thrown or knocked back, he was flying at least 10x the normal knockback distance, simply rediculous. Anyway, I also agree that the team should at least try to put some basic anti-cheat software in ESF, or at least make it compatible.

Phatslugga
Aug 23rd, 2004, 01:15 AM
Actualy I WAS trying to make the expierience easier. I was not trying to piss any1 off. In fact i dont think i pissed any1 off if i remeber correct i actualy inspired some1 to get into scripting. If any here played cs i bet half of them used buy scripts so then that would mean they were cheating because they were takeing 1 sec to buy stuff and every one else 5 secs.



again i wasnt cheating just making it easier for me. its not like i was looking through walls or aim botting.


Making the game easier IS a form of cheating. The game is meant to be played by you, and everything you have to do in the game is meant to be done by you, not by a script. It's like when an athlete takes illegal steroids to "enhance" his performance, it's cheating. Even though buy scripts in CS don't always give you an advantage (in the cases where there is no buy delay time, you DO get an advantage), you can't take the 3 seconds it takes to buy your equipment on your own?

Styer101
Aug 23rd, 2004, 02:42 AM
Making the game easier IS a form of cheating. The game is meant to be played by you, and everything you have to do in the game is meant to be done by you, not by a script. It's like when an athlete takes illegal steroids to "enhance" his performance, it's cheating. Even though buy scripts in CS don't always give you an advantage (in the cases where there is no buy delay time, you DO get an advantage), you can't take the 3 seconds it takes to buy your equipment on your own?

fine i was "cheating" what are u gonna do about it? Besides its just a game its not like its the end of the world.

Krazy-Killa
Aug 23rd, 2004, 03:04 AM
I for one haven't really ran into those type of exploits, mainly because I don't play online anymore, due to all that. I just play against bots, and occasionally against my brother, or other friends.

Phatslugga
Aug 23rd, 2004, 04:16 AM
fine i was "cheating" what are u gonna do about it? Besides its just a game its not like its the end of the world.


I'll probably put your Won ID on my ban list, that's what i'll do. Anyone else that feels the way I do will do the same. As long as you're not in my server, then I'm happy.

It is just a game, but that doesn't make cheating appropriate. I'm there to have fun, and if someone cheats, then it pisses me off, and I'm no longer having fun. People like you ruin the game for me.

Skiwan
Aug 23rd, 2004, 04:22 AM
i think this is all down to lag, also i think im right in thinking the longer u leave it before pressing the arrows they change to multi directional..... im not sure but thats wat i think happens

the only thing i dont really like is wen it lags, it gets to my turn to block his arrows, and he starts hittin me before they even show up on the screen :S.....

also there have been several times where i know ive hit with a combo, yet no combo happens.... its weird

Styer101
Aug 23rd, 2004, 05:07 AM
so ur gonna ban me from your server becuase i used a script in my cs days?

SuperDragonFist
Aug 23rd, 2004, 07:18 AM
im not taking anyones side im just saying maybe you 2 should stop before this thread is closed :rolleyes:

anyway iv never come across anyone cheating in esf ...might be cause i live in australia :p...... and yeah maybe esf should find some way of putting in an anti cheating program so you can filter out the cheaters..would just add some security to the game since people are already having problems :)

VeTaNaToR
Aug 23rd, 2004, 08:14 AM
i played a combo script sucka before... heckhe was even stupid enought to admit it... so i just went on only using 1.1 melee and beams and he went on complaining about me not using anything other than 1.1 melee... that was fun!
however if its just a game why do you have to cheat to be able to keep up ? Cant take loosing? "its just a game"

Styer101
Aug 23rd, 2004, 11:33 PM
... i would have still won without the script ("cheats/hacks").

but yes thats the last post about that. If u have to cheat to win then thats sad just practice practice practice.

Damian
Aug 25th, 2004, 12:21 AM
I'm just surprised this thing hasn't been closed yet or no one has been warned but back on topic cheaters suck nuff said. how bout instead of making a script for 10hrs you practice for 10hrs.

^DbZ.EsF^
Aug 25th, 2004, 02:20 PM
I completely agree with you guys. Why cheat? It takes all of the fun out of the game for the other players, and you because cheating gets you nowhere. They should make some type of cheating death for our ESF servers. I have encountered a cheater once in my 1 week playing. Arrows most multi-directionl came up across the screen in about a second and a half. I couldn't do anything about it. But no I didn't get mad, I fought him back and had some fun having a challenge, but he still beat me. But don't get mad because it is after all just a game. and don't cheat because it just messes us the game for everyone else!

EricW
Aug 25th, 2004, 02:35 PM
People cheat because it takes the "work" out of the game and gives you an advantage over everyone in the server. People use cheats to make there own playing time more enjoyable at the cost of everyone elses.

There is no need to say cheaters are losers, they just don't like playing the normal way.

SaiyanPrideXIX
Aug 25th, 2004, 03:51 PM
They still eat diarrhea, regardless.


fine i was "cheating" what are u gonna do about it? Besides its just a game its not like its the end of the world. See, that's the kind of **** I'm always talking about with script kiddies and HL brats. "It's just a game, it's not like it's the end of the world." Well, no, nbot for you, you stole your half life key from your older brother, or you play on your older brother/your dad's/a gift computer. What do you care if you **** up the enjoyment of some game for someone? You didn't have to earn the game at all.

SOME OF US paid upwards of THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OVERALL to enjoy our gaming experiences. Some of us pay Comcast ****loads of money every month to have our nice connections so we don't have to deal with laggy bull****. Some of us shelled out 2 grand to make sure we had top of the line ****. Sure it is "just a game" but that doesn't give you the right to make me regret downloading and installing a game just because YOU didn't have to put any ****ing effort into getting it and playing it, and thus don't take it seriously enough to play it properly. Same thing with ESF: it's a free ride. what do you care if you play it like an ******* and ruin 7 other people's time in a server?

Psychologically speaking, it's a simple ****ing fact:

I don't take the game itself seriously, but I DO take GAMING ITSELF very seriously.

A quick offtopic rant: Using a buy script is a small advantage but still an advantage. Part of that is the loser CS developers' fault for not putting in a "save loadout" or type of preload feature. They have "Buy again" in 1.6 but something tells me that if you are the type who would cheat or script, your also the type who probably doesn't have a legitimate CD key and thus doesn't have steam, which would explain why it's worded all nostalgically ("back in my CS days..."). Even if not--for ****'s sake, you pick what you want ONCE and then hit BUY AGAIN for the rest of the game. God knows you only use one ****ing gun anyway (I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess it's the Steyer!)

Besides. Script or not, it's still a cheat. A minor one, but still. In ESF, using basic scripting, you can do all kinds of ****headed stuff. The buy script still gives you a clear advantage; suppose you played with a bunch of people who weren't that good and didn't buy as quick as your average snapcase CS ****head does. You could theoretically get your guns and go in and probably catch them completely off guard and win.

The simple ****ing fact remains: if you can do something that another player can't duplicate, it's a ****ing cheat.

Deal with it. God damn. At least the few people I know who are cheaters have the common ****ing decency to keep it to single player games.

Carnage, the 1
Aug 25th, 2004, 04:04 PM
You really can't make one post without swearing can you? Cheaters usually blow anyway, hackers are a bigger threat since they could have an aimbot or speedhack which is much more serious than a lousy script. Don't get me wrong I hate scripters, especially since they convinced the team of putting a tele delay in, screwing it up for everybody :/ and don't give me crap about it "only" being 0.15 seconds or whatsoever cos that's only for 0 pingers. But again cheaters mess it up for everybody, hooray!

Phatslugga
Aug 25th, 2004, 05:38 PM
Pride brought up a really good point, and If I could I'd give him a nice big reputation point. Most of us actually paid to play these games. Computers aren't cheap, and games aren't cheap either. With the addition of the online services that you have to pay for, it's no longer "just a game" it's part of your budget. Then you have these little kids that don't realize how lucky they are to have everything paid for them, that just run their mouth and try to ruin the game for everyone but themselves. worst of all, there's really nothing you can do about it, except ban them fro myour server, if you even HAVE one. Which is exactly why I ban people like that. I play to have fun, I PAY to have fun, and if someone starts ruining it by cheating or exploiting something, I'm not going to stand for it.

EricW
Aug 25th, 2004, 08:45 PM
I doubt these "hackers/cheaters" are kids if they have the mind to create aimbots, scripts, etc.

I'm not supporting cheating or hacking, I just don't let it get to me because it's just a game. If you feel that your money you spend on your computer is all about the games then I feel sorry for you. You shouldn't be putting that much devotion into a game in the first place.

[SAS]Orion
Aug 25th, 2004, 08:55 PM
"You shouldn't be putting that much devotion into a game in the first place."

How can you say that?
It's like saying athletes shouldn't be devoted because they spend hours and hours training, or graphics designers because they spend lots of money on gfx packages

It just doesn't make sense - people pay that money to enjoy the games they play to the fullest extent - it's perfectly reasonable and if you cannot see that then I question if you play games at all.

Styer101
Aug 26th, 2004, 12:09 AM
ok i guess im gonna have to hit the highlits of ur post saiyan.


Well, no, nbot for you, you stole your half life key from your older brother, or you play on your older brother/your dad's/a gift computer. What do you care if you **** up the enjoyment of some game for someone? You didn't have to earn the game at all.

first off i did have to pay for it and I did buy my Half-life. In fact I was the second person in my community to buy Half-Life and put it on my comp. Second I spent a whole summer saving up to buy my comp so dont tell me i didnt earn it.


Even if not--for ****'s sake, you pick what you want ONCE and then hit BUY AGAIN for the rest of the game. God knows you only use one ****ing gun anyway (I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess it's the Steyer!)

last time i played which was a couple months ago I used no Script no Hacks or cheats of any kind and i did very well. And yea the aug sucks no reason to use it is if u need the scope which is sad.

And if u want to continue this argument or what ever u want to call it take it to the pm's i dont want to get warned for Flamming or spamming.

Btw i counted 15 censored words. I dont know if u talk to your mother that way but clean up your act no girl is gonna want to date some guy that not only devotes himself to gamming but also says 15 cuse words in a short little thing. Mabey u should consider anger manegment :laff: :fight: :p

SaiyanPrideXIX
Aug 26th, 2004, 06:09 AM
Firstly: I swear to make the ****ing point. :0D

Secondly: I don't want to hear this over-devotion to games stuff. Just because I play games and I consider it a major hobby doesn't mean it's my entire life. I do plenty of other things, and have plenty of friends who are female. God, that stereotype is old. We've been dealing with that since you brats were in ****ing diapers.

As far as you being the first in your neighborhood to buy Half-Life...all that tells me is that you were the first in your neighborhood to have your CD key locked out of steam because five of your friends tried to use it before you. And no, spending 10 bucks your dad gave you or you got in some sort of gift card on the HL platinum pack at your local Cheap-O Depot doesn't count as "spending hard earned money."

Thanks for the advice on girls. I'm sure you've got a lot of experience and "mabey" I should consider some "anger manegment" therapy. I should really start spelling ****ty, typing like a retard, and cheating at a crappy overrated half-life mod. Then I'll get all the chicks just like you, right, Styer? Come on...seriously. :0\

You didn't tell us all who pays your internet bill. You didn't tell us how many hours a day you work and how you come home after a day of being screwed off on by your boss, you come home and want to have a little fun and play a game, only to have it ruined by some 15 year old piece of **** with no etiquette who thinks that everything in the world should be frigging handed to them just because.

Saying that devotion to games is sad or wrong is just retarded. If it was a cooler hobby, would it be more acceptable to be devoted to it? Let's get one thing straight here, my life's no bushel of frigging roses. I bust my ass at two jobs, my car is falling apart, I haven't been able to join up and play in any bands in forever, and my confidence in my work is up ****'s creek in general which is causing me a massive case of writer's block on this particular writing project I work on. Are games my whole life? No. But they are one of the few places I can turn to where I logically go ahead and expect a reasonably GOOD experience that is fun and entertaining. And people with your kind of approach ruin that for me, and make things like CS or HL or my cable modem service and router a big fat ****ing waste of MY hard-earned money.


And yea the aug sucks no reason to use it is if u need the scope which is sad. See man...this just proves to me what kind of gamer you are. "It's not the best gun, why use it?" I mean...do people like that even know how to play games, or do they just look for the particular competitive method that does the most for them and has the least penalty, and whore it for the rest of their lives?

Bottom line: It doesn't matter if you paid for your **** or not. Some of us are on here to RELIEVE stress and HAVE A GOOD, FUN TIME. The ****ing box art doesn't advertise **** like "Annoy total strangers anonymously!!!" and "cheat while calling people ***s!!"

I didn't pay 40 bucks for half-life (yeah, 40, not like the bull**** artists who go "I did buy it!" and mean the platinum pack from the bargain bin for 15 bucks that you bought when they couldn't "hack" their way into steam) so I could go watch people like you rush and kill me because of impossibly fast "reflexes" that I can't match without duplicating myself.

I don't know what's sadder. That people cheat, or that people brag like they're good afterward.

I had a good example in a quick ESF match with Smith the other night. He kicked my ass up and down the server, but he didn't use any of the stupid "tactics" that are so popular. I consider that to be REAL skill. Anything less is cheating and no matter how you slice it THE GAMES WEREN'T BUILT SO YOU COULD BUY THEM AND USE THEM TO RAISE HELL AND ANNOY OTHER CHARACTERS IN GAME.

'Nuff said.

EricW
Aug 26th, 2004, 01:38 PM
Orion']"You shouldn't be putting that much devotion into a game in the first place."

How can you say that?
It's like saying athletes shouldn't be devoted because they spend hours and hours training, or graphics designers because they spend lots of money on gfx packages

It just doesn't make sense - people pay that money to enjoy the games they play to the fullest extent - it's perfectly reasonable and if you cannot see that then I question if you play games at all.

Well I respect your opinion so I would appreciate it if you would respect mine.

VeTaNaToR
Aug 26th, 2004, 02:35 PM
since when does the count of female friends count as a reason for being a non gamer? i got like 10% male friends and 90% percent female friends does this mean im a b-a-d-a-s-s? anyways cheating is cheating no matter how much you try to cover it with useless exuses and i think cheating in a online game should be punished by disabeling the online playability of the cheaters game .... to bad that aint possible yet.

SaiyanPrideXIX
Aug 26th, 2004, 03:00 PM
That'd be nice, but then we have other issues. Your custom skins could be detected as "cheats."

I think, put quite simply, there should be a program that scans the game folders of players to make sure that they match the server. With some tweaks, that could help cut it down immensely.

The main problem here is ****ing scripting. Scripting is the worst thing that Gabe "The Unbelievable Retard" Newell's crew ever included in Half-Life. In my opinion, that **** should've been removed by the third or fourth patch once it was known how abused it was. It helps modders but honestly I think it's high time we took the ability to script or bind in the console away. I mean...would ti kill them to just release a game where, right before finalization, they just disabled the ability for anyone but a server admin to use the console commands beyond like a handful of non-troublesome ones?

The worst part of scripting is that age old and highly stupid defense: "It's part of the game so it's not cheating!" I could make a script or bind that makes my ESF auto-doubletap; even that one simple bind could theoretically give me a huge advantage and all it would take would be ten minutes of my time. Then the esf team has to waste three months coding a delay in microseconds to prevent me from doing that **** again, instead of adding new features.

EricW
Aug 26th, 2004, 03:04 PM
Well there you go, a very good point.

Scripting is not right, it's basically taking what the team spent hours coding in and just manipulating it like nothing.

-Origin
Aug 26th, 2004, 03:14 PM
As for the uber fast buying in CS....most people I know have their own personal favourite equipment. They for example, bind the buy menu to '7' and then the Desert Eagle to '8' or whatever. As long as you can remember your equipment, you can just press 7,8 for a deagle. o_o

Styer101
Aug 27th, 2004, 12:39 AM
ok well saiyan I really dont care anymore if u really care to waste ten minutes of ur life arguing over something that was in the past and done with good for u.

and u caught me... i dont pay for my internet

and u said u use games as a stress release well i do the same. If somethign is pissing me off i will either go riding my bike or get on my comp and play doom 3 or esf. I will prolly play a level on doom 3 and then switch to esf. If ur wondering if i cheat in doom3 i dont that is so stupid cause ur cheating in a game that is ment to be played with difficulty and ur just making no difficulty (ie. invicibilty or all weapons.) And i dont cheat in ESF i dont even know how to... make a script? I forgot and i dont want to go over all of those tuts just to relearn how to to make a script for a game im already good at.