Bioshock Infinite

[-Origin]

It would be dishonest to say this is not Bioshock.

Levine identifies two qualities that define BioShock Infinite as a BioShock game.

First: "It is set in a place that is both completely strange and fantastical but also strangely grounded and strangely familiar, believable," he said. For the first two BioShocks that location was Rapture a failed underwater city built with Objectivist principles and infused with a 1950s Art Deco design. Infinite's location is the floating city of Columbia, circa 1912, a city populated by proud Americans who view their country as a technologically great, ascendant Caucasian-led God-fearing society. "Fantastical" but "strangely familiar" indeed. Said Levine: "To do another game that felt like that but wasn't called BioShock game would seem dishonest."

Second defining BioShock quality: "The other thing is that when you deal with enemies you have a huge amount of expressability in how you approach a problem set. How I want to play the game is very different from how you're going to play the game." This other quality was a BioShock hallmark. Each enemy encounter in the first two games could be handled with a variety of methods: shooting, hacking, stealth, offensive plasmid (think: magic) powers, deputizing robots, confusing and converting enemies, springing traps, and so on.

"It wasn't right after BioShock that we determined what we were going to do," Levine said. "We did sort of play around with a bunch of different things. One thing that was quickly apparent to us was that BioShock 2 wasn't the right product for us because of when they wanted it, because the company wanted it to be in Rapture, which makes sense, they wanted a follow-up. As our team, independent of BioShock 2, we had said what we wanted to say about that world as a studio."

 

[Damaera]

I'm aware of System Shock, but they didn't call Bioshock "System Shock: Rapture" or something. Bioshock is, and forever WILL be, attached to Rapture inseparably, no matter WHO says otherwise. I have no problem with them making this new game, as long as they're not trying to make me accept it into a game series with it's own trademarks and ruining them. Call it "Psi Shock", I don't care, just don't link it so damningly like this.



Did Lucas know what he was doing with the Star Wars prequels? To me, it sounds like the company is losing it's aims and it's soul, like everything with more and more sequels does unless it's Valve.

No offense, but I think you're crazy if you think Bioshock is just all about Rapture. Why? Because this sequel (or prequel?) says otherwise. Not sure why you guys are arguing about this.

...seriously, there's nothing wrong with expanding the series, and to be quite frank, this actually looks more promising than Bioshock 2.

 

[-Origin]

It's not neccesarily a sequel or prequel in anything more than name, Damaera. Nobody knows yet.

"For an audience, I totally expect them to be like, 'What? I don't quite understand it,'" Levine said. "'It's a sequel but is it a sequel?' It's a meta-question. I'm comfortable with that." He won't say whether the game is connected to the storyline of those first two BioShocks. "I don't want to think about that," he said. "I don't think it's particularly constructive to have that conversation."

 

[Super Veggeto]

I'm a huge Bioshock fan. Bioshock 1 is definitely the best single player game I played. It had me flipping in every turn. Art was intense, story was amazing, the atmosphere in general was overwhelming. I finished Bioshock 1 like... 30 times, and I'm not exaggerating.

So as a huge Bioshock 1 fan, Bioshock 2 was neat for me. Many people didn't like it, but a lot more did and I really enjoyed exploring Rapture a bit more. I didn't had enough before...

So that's not what Bioshock means to me. Bioshock isn't Rapture.
It's an idea which can be expended further into awesome new things. That's what they're doing here.
They're not going for Bioshock 1, 2, 3, 4. But more like a series of games, which could be similar to each other in certain ways, yet very different in their approach.

That's how they're keeping the franchise fresh and exciting.

I can definitely feel some Bioshock going on in that trailer. But it's new, it's intriguing...
I want to see where they take it, and I'm sure Levine knows his stuff.

 

[Shonnie]

I haven't played Bioshock 1, but I did play Bioshock 2.
And to be honest I enjoyed Singularity more than 2.

I hope 3 will kick ass

 

[J-Dude]

I don't care what some stupid developers had in mind. Rapture IS Bioshock, and nobody will EVER convince me otherwise. Whichever idiot tried to compare it to Half Life 2, Half Life 2 was still connected. Events from the first game had direct consequences on the second, you were the same character, you used a lot of similar weapons and fought new enemies and old enemies. I can't think of a single THING connecting this game to Bioshock.

Also, what I meant about Lucas was that even if he planned it all out, he lost his touch, he lost his grip, he lost his soul. It happens to all but the very very best. To me, this new direction is directionless trying to pose as "Bioshock". I refuse to accept it, point blank.

 

[Damaera]

I don't care what some stupid developers had in mind. Rapture IS Bioshock, and nobody will EVER convince me otherwise. Whichever idiot tried to compare it to Half Life 2, Half Life 2 was still connected. Events from the first game had direct consequences on the second, you were the same character, you used a lot of similar weapons and fought new enemies and old enemies. I can't think of a single THING connecting this game to Bioshock.

Also, what I meant about Lucas was that even if he planned it all out, he lost his touch, he lost his grip, he lost his soul. It happens to all but the very very best. To me, this new direction is directionless trying to pose as "Bioshock". I refuse to accept it, point blank.

Don't worry, J-Dude. We don't need to convince you, it's clear that you're in pure denial. One, short, small trailer was released and you're already taking shots at it as if you know everything about it. Who's to say we won't encounter familiar enemies, or wield familiar weapons? You just keep opening yourself up.

 

[Darth Revan]

FFS j-dude its ONLY A GAME

 

[J-Dude]

No it isn't, it's Bioshock, one of the few worthwhile series in gaming, and it's being degraded into something unrecognizable. I should be able to look at a screenshot and say, "HELL YEAH!! BIOSHOCK SEQUEL!!!", rather saying, "Old Americana in the sky with psychic people and a steampunk cyborg thing...what is THIS supposed to be...?"

 

[Damaera]

No it isn't, it's Bioshock, one of the few worthwhile series in gaming, and it's being degraded into something unrecognizable. I should be able to look at a screenshot and say, "HELL YEAH!! BIOSHOCK SEQUEL!!!", rather saying, "Old Americana in the sky with psychic people and a steampunk cyborg thing...what is THIS supposed to be...?"

Hey, that sounds a lot like Bioshock 1! Except it's in the Sky this time!

 

[wheres_]

Bioshock isn't that great...

Stop getting so upset.

If HL2ep3 was set in a magical castle in the sky- then I'd start worrying.

 

[Zeonix]

I don't care what some stupid developers had in mind. Rapture IS Bioshock, and nobody will EVER convince me otherwise. Whichever idiot tried to compare it to Half Life 2, Half Life 2 was still connected. Events from the first game had direct consequences on the second, you were the same character, you used a lot of similar weapons and fought new enemies and old enemies. I can't think of a single THING connecting this game to Bioshock.

Also, what I meant about Lucas was that even if he planned it all out, he lost his touch, he lost his grip, he lost his soul. It happens to all but the very very best. To me, this new direction is directionless trying to pose as "Bioshock". I refuse to accept it, point blank.

Whats this? J-Dude is adhering to an idea that has no basis in reality and is, in fact, contradicted by the creators' of his obsession? Incredible.

I'm looking forward to the game precisely because it doesn't take place in Rapture. There's only so much one can do with a single locale without contradicting or overwriting previous messages. I'd like to see a similar story gone to the opposite extreme.

 

[-Origin]

I don't care what some stupid developers had in mind. Rapture IS Bioshock, and nobody will EVER convince me otherwise.

Hahaha, oh man.. I don't even know where to begin. You don't decide what Bioshock is, its creators do. You are so full of yourself, heh.

 

[Sicron]

I don't care what some stupid developers had in mind. Rapture IS Bioshock, and nobody will EVER convince me otherwise. Whichever idiot tried to compare it to Half Life 2, Half Life 2 was still connected. Events from the first game had direct consequences on the second, you were the same character, you used a lot of similar weapons and fought new enemies and old enemies. I can't think of a single THING connecting this game to Bioshock.

Also, what I meant about Lucas was that even if he planned it all out, he lost his touch, he lost his grip, he lost his soul. It happens to all but the very very best. To me, this new direction is directionless trying to pose as "Bioshock". I refuse to accept it, point blank.

Good for you, stop posting about the game, while we will have fun actually playing the game. You are ignorant. How can you say that you can't connect a single thing to the original Bioshock, based on a sole trailer? You can't. You don't know what the story line is. If Bioshock 2 hadn't existed, and instead this game was released, you would never have been complaining here right now for it not taking place in Rapture. Having a new setting in a game is only good, it allows for new gameplay and new story rather than a rehash of the old story (read: Bioshock 2). Yet it can still share many (or even just a few) elements. Final Fantasy for example does this excellently. Themes are reused in every game, some enemies stay the same, magic stays the same, items remain recognizable. Yet the story and setting are completely different. And still, it remains recognizable, and it remains Final Fantasy. Just like how Bioshock Infinite can still retain it's recognizable elements from the original Bioshock.

Now stop being ignorant.

 

[J-Dude]

Here's an idea:

Get your damn nose out of my business and don't tell me what to do. I don't want a ****ing lecture, you're not in charge of me, and I will NOT be spoken to like that. I never asked your opinions of me, I didn't insult anyone you know, so to Hell with you. You have a problem with me? Then stay out of my way.

What makes you think you have the right to demand anything from me? **** you. You're nothing, this is NOT your world.

You people are the scum of the Earth; you go out of your way to demean anything I say. I suggest, if you disagree, leave it at that and then shut your hole. I didn't come here for opposition, I came here for sympathizers to rally with, because the main forum I visit is full of other stupid conformists who never appreciated Bioshock.

What you people don't understand, is that your art can come to surpass yourselves, and take on a life of it's own.

Yes, I'm judging the game based on the trailer. Why? Because the trailer reveals the premise, and that premise is IDIOTIC.

 

[Darth Revan]

Like i said before and i will say again ITS A ****ING GAME GET OVER IT FFS you like a baby who just lost its dummy

 

[Sicron]

Here's an idea:

Get your damn nose out of my business and don't tell me what to do. I don't want a ****ing lecture, you're not in charge of me, and I will NOT be spoken to like that. I never asked your opinions of me, I didn't insult anyone you know, so to Hell with you. You have a problem with me? Then stay out of my way.

What makes you think you have the right to demand anything from me? **** you. You're nothing, this is NOT your world.

You people are the scum of the Earth; you go out of your way to demean anything I say. I suggest, if you disagree, leave it at that and then shut your hole. I didn't come here for opposition, I came here for sympathizers to rally with, because the main forum I visit is full of other stupid conformists who never appreciated Bioshock.

What you people don't understand, is that your art can come to surpass yourselves, and take on a life of it's own.

Yes, I'm judging the game based on the trailer. Why? Because the trailer reveals the premise, and that premise is IDIOTIC.

What the **** is wrong with you? Seriously, you come in here complaining about a GAME. Then, when nobody agrees with your points, you start some ****ing roid rage against everyone. You don't insult anyone, but you do wish for them to go to hell. Seriously, you need some anger management, pall. It's been like this with nearly every thread you post in, and someone doesn't agree with your points.

I don't very often agree with madman, but he is right this time, you are acting like a little baby.

 

[Skyrider]

Frankly, I agree with Sicron. You posted on the forums to get feedback/comments regarding the new sequel which I believe you hoped for others to be in your favor to agree with your points. But I'm Sorry J-Dude, but you have to deal with the criticism you get. After all, you created a thread about it. What else did you expect?

I do have to ask you to relax J-Dude, your reply was a bit harsh. If we have a problem with you, we'll deal with it rather than staying out your way.

Like I stated above, I love to see something new.. something sunny and shiny rather than dark all the time.

 

[J-Dude]

**** this and **** you, you unreasonable dicks.

 

[Super Veggeto]

So... anyways...

10 minute gameplay footage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tT0VJb1Qqc

Righteous as hell.
First day buy for me.